Random NPC Citizen Compliments

[Clave Dark 5]

You know how you're like standing in Atlas Park and one of those low-rez citizens walks by and goes:

 

"Wow, that Clave Dark 5 is amazing, he saved my cousin in Galaxy City!"

 

More of those, double, triple their occurrence.  

 

If the current renaissance in AI and social media has taught us nothing else, being told you're awesome motives people.

 

 

[Skyhawke]

[TheMoneyMaker]

3 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

You know how you're like standing in Atlas Park and one of those low-rez citizens walks by and goes:

 

"Wow, that Clave Dark 5 is amazing, he saved my cousin in Galaxy City!"

 

More of those, double, triple their occurrence.  

 

If the current renaissance in AI and social media has taught us nothing else, being told you're awesome motives people.

 

 

If I'm not mistaken, you get those occasionally after completing contact missions. So... do more missions.

[Rudra]

23 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

If I'm not mistaken, you get those occasionally after completing contact missions. So... do more missions.

They trigger sporadically with the comment referencing the character's last mission. It can be a contact's mission/arc, but it can also just be a paper/radio mission. I think even tip missions come up as wandering NPC comments.

 

Edit: The OP's request is for the rate at which those comments trigger be increased. And while I agree that the comments can be a feel good thing for some, I would like to point out that increasing the comment rate would also increase the red side insult rate. And those insults routinely have me wanting to mangle some NPCs. Some random person unable to fend off a Hellion minion is walking around calling out my level 50+3 incarnate as being pathetic? Yeah... not a fan of increasing civilian comment rates.

 

Edited Tuesday at 09:32 PM by Rudra

[TheMoneyMaker]

7 minutes ago, Rudra said:

And those insults routinely have me wanting to mangle some NPCs.

 

Then they are working as intended

[Rudra]

9 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

17 minutes ago, Rudra said:

And those insults routinely have me wanting to mangle some NPCs.

 

Then they are working as intended

If you are saying that the devs designed NPC comments to make players hate playing red side but love playing blue side, then that was an extremely stupid thing to do.

[TheMoneyMaker]

I'm saying that insults are meant to be insulting.

 

Don't take them personally. They're unintelligent NPCs spouting off as programmed to do, and not a real reflection of you as a player.

Edited Tuesday at 09:46 PM by TheMoneyMaker

[Rudra]

6 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

I'm saying that insults are meant to be insulting.

 

Don't take them personally. They're unintelligent NPCs spouting off as programmed to do, and not a real reflection of you as a player.

 

4 hours ago, Clave Dark 5 said:

If the current renaissance in AI and social media has taught us nothing else, being told you're awesome motives people.

The inverse of the OP also holds true.

[TheMoneyMaker]

Just now, Rudra said:

 

The inverse of the OP also holds true.

Yeah, but just because something makes sense doesn't mean random citizens should start complimenting villains. Instead, maybe you should change your perception of the NPC comments and assume that if they're badmouthing you that you are doing a good job as a villain. Just take their negative statements as a compliment instead of feeling sad about it.

[Rudra]

7 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Yeah, but just because something makes sense doesn't mean random citizens should start complimenting villains. Instead, maybe you should change your perception of the NPC comments and assume that if they're badmouthing you that you are doing a good job as a villain. Just take their negative statements as a compliment instead of feeling sad about it.

Are you serious?! If someone is playing a terror of a character, do you really think that person is going to consider being called out by a nothing character and called pathetic as validation of that character doing a good job as a villain? Or do you think that rogue that just waffle stomped Captain Mako is going to take being called pathetic by NPCs while the NPC stands there cowering from a level 8 Goldbricker as validation of them being a villain? Those comments should have never been put in. It saps my desire to play red side and if red side wasn't more fun in my opinion, I wouldn't still be playing there because of the incessant bullshit comments from the NPCs calling out my character as if a random starter street punk on the routine.

 

So just ignore the NPC comments red side but lap up the comments blue side? Double standard much?

 

Edited Tuesday at 10:02 PM by Rudra
Edited to add "as validation of being a villain". Edit again for grammar.

[TheMoneyMaker]

That's on you. Looking for praise as a villain shows that you don't have a villain mindset.

[TheMoneyMaker]

"Why don't this pathetic peons love me? I'm the villain!!"

[UltraAlt]

40 minutes ago, Rudra said:

If someone is playing a terror of a character, do you really think that person is going to consider being called out by a nothing character and called pathetic as validation of that character doing a good job as a villain?

 

Make them run and then chase them around!

[TheMoneyMaker]

1 minute ago, UltraAlt said:

 

Make them run and then chase them around!

You get it  😁

[Rudra]

13 minutes ago, UltraAlt said:

 

Make them run and then chase them around!

Sure. Tell me how. The only time you can do that is on a Mayhem.

 

36 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

That's on you. Looking for praise as a villain shows that you don't have a villain mindset.

I'm not looking for praise as a villain. I'm simply expecting to not be constantly belittled by NPCs that should very well be crapping themselves.

 

36 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

"Why don't this pathetic peons love me? I'm the villain!!"

You're missing the point. No one plays a villain to be loved. Feared? Yes. Not loved.

[TheMoneyMaker]

37 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Sure. Tell me how. The only time you can do that is on a Mayhem.

 

I'm not looking for praise as a villain. I'm simply expecting to not be constantly belittled by NPCs that should very well be crapping themselves.

 

You're missing the point. No one plays a villain to be loved. Feared? Yes. Not loved.

Did the NPC run up to you and laugh in your face? Or was it a comment they said because you being nearby triggered it and it's meant to be something you overhear? Because the way I take it is that NPCs are just spouting stuff that's supposed to represent the general sentiment of the civilian populace about your character and not trying to start a conversation with you. People who fear someone generally don't have anything nice to say about the individual unless they are confronted by them and feel the need to say something nice or be obliterated.

 

I'm not missing the point, you're just looking at things from a wrong perspective. Try adjusting your perception rather than expecting to be adored for being a villain.

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Did the NPC run up to you and laugh in your face? Or was it a comment they said because you being nearby triggered it and it's meant to be something you overhear? Because the way I take it is that NPCs are just spouting stuff that's supposed to represent the general sentiment of the civilian populace about your character and not trying to start a conversation with you. People who fear someone generally don't have anything nice to say about the individual unless they are confronted by them and feel the need to say something nice or be obliterated.

 

You're right. They shouldn't have anything nice to say. However, when the NPC comment is presented not as you overhearing an NPC mumbling to himself/herself but out loud calling you pathetic or pansy, both get used in different NPC comments red side where the text is written like the NPC is speaking directly to you, then it is rather difficult to write it off as just something overheard.

 

1 hour ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

I'm not missing the point, you're just looking at things from a wrong perspective. Try adjusting your perception rather than expecting to be adored for being a villain.

Where did you get the impression that I thought the NPC comments red side should be adoring? I never stated they should be. What I stated was that red side NPC comments are insulting and I don't want that trigger rate to be increased. A prime example being where my 50+3 character that just turned Captain Mako into sushi is being called out as pathetic for not being brave enough to go fight Captain Mako. After I had just completed a mission fighting Captain Mako. Or the many times my characters got called out as if being directly addressed by the NPCs to be called pansy because I had just completed a newspaper mission. Nowhere did I say that the NPCs should be adoring or singing our praises. Their comments should be fearful. Stating that the inverse of getting praise is good motivation is also true does not specifically mean I want the red side NPCs to sing my characters' praises. They should be cowering, They should be mumbling their anger/displeasure in the hopes my characters don't overhear them and murder them for it. They should be advising other NPCs to keep their distance. They should be doing damned near anything other than calling out the PC like they think they can take the PC.

 

Edit: Hells, you can even keep them being insulting, as long as it done right. Like "That bastard <character name> did <insert last mission reference>. When will it end?". Or "Did you hear what that jerk <insert character name> did this time?". Or any of several other ways other than directly calling out your character like your character is just gutter trash waiting for the NPC to clean away.

 

Edited Wednesday at 12:39 AM by Rudra
Edited to remove erroneous period. And again to correct "it" to "that".

[Oubliette_Red]

6 hours ago, Rudra said:

They trigger sporadically with the comment referencing the character's last mission. It can be a contact's mission/arc, but it can also just be a paper/radio mission. I think even tip missions come up as wandering NPC comments.

 

Edit: The OP's request is for the rate at which those comments trigger be increased. And while I agree that the comments can be a feel good thing for some, I would like to point out that increasing the comment rate would also increase the red side insult rate. And those insults routinely have me wanting to mangle some NPCs. Some random person unable to fend off a Hellion minion is walking around calling out my level 50+3 incarnate as being pathetic? Yeah... not a fan of increasing civilian comment rates.

 

 

Me thinks you need to work on your redside manner...

[Rudra]

20 minutes ago, Oubliette_Red said:

 

Me thinks you need to work on your redside manner...

That sort of NPC chatter is fine. Now if only that triggered instead.

 

Edit: Or perhaps I just should stop doing paper and tip missions? Or better yet so players can play whatever content they want? Replace those NPC comments with more like what you are showing.

 

Edited Wednesday at 04:18 AM by Rudra

[Clave Dark 5]

6 hours ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Then they are working as intended

I was just about to say this too!

 

[TheMoneyMaker]

Play red side and expect fear, loathing, and even mockery. People don't like villains, especially if they live under the threat of that villainy.

 

Embrace the hate. Let it motivate you in a different way.....as in taking out your frustrations on the mobs in your next villainous mission.

 

"Take that Mr. Laughy-McMakes-Fun-of-People!!"

 

**rampant kill-fest ensues**

[Rudra]

Just now, TheMoneyMaker said:

Play red side and expect fear, loathing, and even mockery. People don't like villains, especially if they live under the threat of that villainy.

 

Embrace the hate. Let it motivate you in a different way.....as in taking out your frustrations on the mobs in your next villainous mission.

 

"Take that Mr. Laughy-McMakes-Fun-of-People!!"

 

**rampant kill-fest ensues**

Fine, I get it. I'm in the minority crowd or the only one that thinks villains shouldn't be a fucking joke to the NPCs.

[TheMoneyMaker]

1 minute ago, Rudra said:

Fine, I get it. I'm in the minority crowd or the only one that thinks villains shouldn't be a fucking joke to the NPCs.

Everyone is a joke to someone. The problem is that you don't want to hear it about you. Actually, the real problem is that we can't murder the civilians on the spot when they do mouth off like that. I think on red side, the civilians should drop like flies like they do in the mayhem missions.

[Rudra]

2 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Actually, the real problem is that we can't murder the civilians on the spot when they do mouth off like that.

This is the only thing we have agreed on this entire thread.

[UltraAlt]

9 hours ago, Rudra said:

Sure. Tell me how. The only time you can do that is on a Mayhem.

 

I would just use /follow.

Sure, you can't k... knock them unconscious, but you can follow them around in a threatening manner.

 

Do I think that they should run away screaming like in DCUO? Sure.

But I guess the NPCs are so confident that Lord Recluse is in control that they aren't scared of any violence on the streets.