Ranged Attack Set: Martial Blades

[MUPlayer]

I don't know if this in the works already (or rejected), but after looking over Dominator -> Martial Assault, why don't we have a Ranged Attack set utilizing throwing animations? I would imagine it wouldn't be a heavy lift from a coding perspective, given the number of throwing animations. As for the Tier 3/large area attack, I see partially reusing the Thousand Cuts animation but with ninja stars, daggers, etc. We could call it 'All In' (or something more appropriate).

[Psyonico]

Not going to lie, when I read the subject my initial thought was "throwing swords" which sounded dumb.

 

I'd love to see a thrown weapon set, shrunken, throwing knives, etc.    There's already 5 powers in the dominator set (if you include envenomed blades).

 

Might be cool if the nuke was a cone when you throw several of your weapon.

 

I'm not sure what to include in the remaining 3 powers though.

[FupDup]

I'd call it either Shuriken Blast or Martial Blast. Alternate weapon options could include various types of knives, playing cards, frisbees, sports balls, etc. For the powers, I think it might look something like this:

 

T1: Shuriken Throw (basic crappy ST)

T2: Basic slightly less crappy ST

T3: Fan of Knives (basic cone, perhaps Energy Torrent underhand throw animation)

T4: Masterful Throw (sniper power, Sents get something else)

T5: Envenomed Blades (Aim replacement)

T6: Trick Shot (Chain)

T7: Another strong ST of some sort (a volley, perhaps?)

T8: Exploding Shuriken (TAOE)

T9: One Thousand Blades (One Thousand Cuts, but as a ranged cone)

 

For its "utility," I think it could be tuned to have quick/snappy attacks like a sort of "ranged Claws" set, and it has the added toxic damage on its Aim replacement.

Edited Saturday at 06:32 PM by FupDup

[Steampunkette]

9 hours ago, FupDup said:

I'd call it either Shuriken Blast or Martial Blast. Alternate weapon options could include various types of knives, playing cards, frisbees, sports balls, etc. For the powers, I think it might look something like this:

 

T1: Shuriken Throw (basic crappy ST)

T2: Basic slightly less crappy ST

T3: Fan of Knives (basic cone, perhaps Energy Torrent underhand throw animation)

T4: Masterful Throw (sniper power, Sents get something else)

T5: Envenomed Blades (Aim replacement)

T6: Trick Shot (Chain)

T7: Another strong ST of some sort (a volley, perhaps?)

T8: Exploding Shuriken (TAOE)

T9: One Thousand Blades (One Thousand Cuts, but as a ranged cone)

 

For its "utility," I think it could be tuned to have quick/snappy attacks like a sort of "ranged Claws" set, and it has the added toxic damage on its Aim replacement.

Some slight changes recommended and specific stuff added in where you've got gaps:

 

T1) Blade Toss (Tranq Dart animation, right handed throw)

T2) Shuriken Throw 

T3) Trick Shot

T4) Spreading Throw (Shuriken Throw animation, Cone, individually targeting projectiles)

T5) Envenomed Blades

T6) Caltrops (Longer range, larger area)

T7) Masterful Throw (Sentinels get the same power with the Snipe component removed)

T8) Exploding Shuriken 

T9) One Thousand Blades (One Thousand Cuts, but as a ranged cone, successive waves of individually targeted projectiles)

 

Most of the attacks would be between .83s and 1.17s activation times, making it a very fast-cycling powerset, overall. Explosive Shuriken, for example, is the longest non-snipe power in the Martial Assault set with a whopping 1.67s animation time. One Thousand Blades with its 3.30s animation time would be the longest animating power in the set.

 

This would make it pretty rough on proc chances, overall... but I think I'm cool with that? Just have to make One Thousand Cuts really worthwhile, I think.

[MTeague]

9 hours ago, FupDup said:

I'd call it either Shuriken Blast or Martial Blast.

Name it "Throw Weapons".  Don't marry the powerset name to the look of shurikens. 

Even if it starts out with just shurikens, we want to leave the door open for the possibility of throwing knives, throwing axes, throwing hammers, etc.

 

I mean, Electric armor and a throwing hammer has potential for a God of Hammers sentinel.

[Rudra]

3 minutes ago, MTeague said:

Name it "Throw Weapons".  Don't marry the powerset name to the look of shurikens. 

Even if it starts out with just shurikens, we want to leave the door open for the possibility of throwing knives, throwing axes, throwing hammers, etc.

 

I mean, Electric armor and a throwing hammer has potential for a God of Hammers sentinel.

Are you Thor, God of Hammers? ... Or are you Thor, God of THUNDER. - Odin, to Thor when dealing with Hela.

[MTeague]

3 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Are you Thor, God of Hammers? ... Or are you Thor, God of THUNDER. - Odin, to Thor when dealing with Hela.

But maybe I want a Roht, God of Hammers.

[Rudra]

Just now, MTeague said:

But maybe I want a Roht, God of Hammers.

Ikol would like to have a word with you. Don't worry though. I hear he is the most stick in the mud, no pranks allowed deity ever.

[Psyonico]

7 hours ago, Steampunkette said:

Some slight changes recommended and specific stuff added in where you've got gaps:

 

T1) Blade Toss (Tranq Dart animation, right handed throw)

T2) Shuriken Throw 

T3) Trick Shot

T4) Spreading Throw (Shuriken Throw animation, Cone, individually targeting projectiles)

T5) Envenomed Blades

T6) Caltrops (Longer range, larger area)

T7) Masterful Throw (Sentinels get the same power with the Snipe component removed)

T8) Exploding Shuriken 

T9) One Thousand Blades (One Thousand Cuts, but as a ranged cone, successive waves of individually targeted projectiles)

 

Most of the attacks would be between .83s and 1.17s activation times, making it a very fast-cycling powerset, overall. Explosive Shuriken, for example, is the longest non-snipe power in the Martial Assault set with a whopping 1.67s animation time. One Thousand Blades with its 3.30s animation time would be the longest animating power in the set.

 

This would make it pretty rough on proc chances, overall... but I think I'm cool with that? Just have to make One Thousand Cuts really worthwhile, I think.

Caltrops won't happen since Defenders got it in traps, blasters/Corruptors can get it in their secondary, and Sentinels can get it in their APP

[Steampunkette]

44 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

Caltrops won't happen since Defenders got it in traps, blasters/Corruptors can get it in their secondary, and Sentinels can get it in their APP

Yes, yes, we've had -one- caltrops.

 

But what about Second Caltrops?

[Bionic_Flea]

YES!

 

Lots of people have been requesting some kind of shuriken blast for years.  

https://forums.homecomingservers.com/search/?q="shuriken blast"&quick=1&updated_after=any&sortby=relevancy

 

For the T9 I would combine the animations for whirlwind and quills but make the quills customizable and longer distance.  Kind of like X-men villain Riptide.

 

 

[MUPlayer]

Some good ideas in this thread! Also, surprised there hasn't been more of a push for this kind of set.  I was thinking of the set of attacks and here's my first pass:

i basically slightly adjusted SteamPunkette's list:

 

**All attacks have a chance to cause bleed damage, like Savage Melee**

T1) Blade Toss (Tranq Dart animation, right handed throw)

T2) Shuriken Throw 

T3) Trick Shot

T4) Spreading Throw (Shuriken Throw animation, Cone, individually targeting projectiles)

T5) Masterful Throw (Sentinels get the same power with the Snipe component removed)

T6) Coat Blades (works like Change Ammo)

T7) Exploding Shuriken 

T8) One Thousand Blades (One Thousand Cuts, but as a ranged cone, successive waves of individually targeted projectiles)

T9) Only Live Once (Use the T9 animation for dual pistols, but throwing daggers & shuriken; finish with a stronger exploding shuriken)

[megaericzero]

Thrown weapons would be nice to pay homage to characters like Moon Knight or Dio Brando.

 

The version I suggested a while back looked pretty much the same as Steampunkette's, especially leaning into being "ranged claws" with lower damage but also low cast time. Personally, I'm not fond of every new set being suggested with Swap Ammo or builder/spender.

[JayboH]

I want the secondary effects to focus on -damage.  Sure, we sort of get it as an option in Dual Pistols/Chemical Rounds but I don't think we have a blast set where it is the main focus, so that would be nice.

[FupDup]

3 hours ago, JayboH said:

I want the secondary effects to focus on -damage.  Sure, we sort of get it as an option in Dual Pistols/Chemical Rounds but I don't think we have a blast set where it is the main focus, so that would be nice.

I think that effect would make more sense on a full blown Toxin Blast set, since Chemical Rounds already set the precedent for toxic-themed things to reduce your damage. And it just makes more sense (poisons can weaken you) than getting weakened by getting cut or stabbed (most normal blades and bullets in COH don't produce the -damage effect so it would be out of place). 

[JayboH]

21 hours ago, FupDup said:

I think that effect would make more sense on a full blown Toxin Blast set, since Chemical Rounds already set the precedent for toxic-themed things to reduce your damage. And it just makes more sense (poisons can weaken you) than getting weakened by getting cut or stabbed (most normal blades and bullets in COH don't produce the -damage effect so it would be out of place). 

Well you took the next step.  Make it a mix of lethal and toxic, and then focus that for the build-up clone or add an additional toxic dot for the next few attacks ala fiery embrace etc.