Set bonuses on Toggle abilities that are turned off?

[SmalltalkJava]

If I have a set bonus that gives like +1 percent to defense on a Toggle ability.   Does that +1 set bonus still work if the toggle is off.   Here is why i'm asking. 

 

I have fly and hover.  I am thinking about 3 slotting both with Zephyr.    In combat I will just use Hover,  but I need to know if I will still get the zephyr set bonus if fly is toggled off.

 

Zephyr 2 set bonus gives 1.25% def bonus

3 slot gives 1.88 %

Edited August 1, 2019 by SmalltalkJava

[Scientist]

For a set bonus, you always get it, which is why people occasionally slot "mule" powers like Brawl with sets.  I saw a build that slotted it with purples, now THAT is dedication to recharge. 🙂 

 

For a proc, it depends on the proc.  The Stealth proc, for example, will only run for a short time (1 min?) after you stop using a power.  Don't put it in Teleport, for example, as I did early after IOs came out, because it was much cheaper than the Runspeed stealth proc.  Kismet I believe only works while the power is used, like that.  Luck of the Gambler acts like a set bonus, on the other hand, and gives you +7.5% recharge even if you never use the power.  

[Williwaw]

Set Bonuses are always in effect whether you have the toggle on or not.  (Globals also don't require the power to be active - so you will also get the Knockback protection regardless of whether you have the power turned on or not)

 

... note, however, that the two-slot set bonus and the three-slot are not cumulative with each other.  They enhance different values (2-slot is 1.25% Ranged Defense and 0.625% Energy/Negative Defense, 3-slot is 1.875% AoE Defense and 0.938% Fire/Cold Defense).

 

Edited August 2, 2019 by Williwaw
Left out a percent sign there YES I'M NITPICKY

[Trademarked Name]

Not your question but some procs state that they only fire when the power is active. I did something dumb and slotted a full set of Panacea (and a lot of inf invested in the ios as well) into a self healing instant and couldnt figure out why i never got the constant auto +end/+heal. Ah dur! Irl i have 3 full sets of self-affecting Stupefy slotted.

[justicebeliever]

Thank goodness for Enhancement Unslotters and Respecs

[Williwaw]

On 8/2/2019 at 3:52 PM, Rocketeur said:

Not your question but some procs state that they only fire when the power is active. I did something dumb and slotted a full set of Panacea (and a lot of inf invested in the ios as well) into a self healing instant and couldnt figure out why i never got the constant auto +end/+heal. Ah dur! Irl i have 3 full sets of self-affecting Stupefy slotted.

That's the difference between Procs and Globals.  Procs only have a chance to activate when the power it's slotted into is used (like Panacea's Chance for +HP/+End or Stupify's Chance for KB) - note that the chance can be 100% (like Regenerative Tissue's Regeneration or Numina's Regen/Recovery) - while Globals work all the time, even when you don't use the power (like LotG's 7.5% Recharge, Unbreakable Guard's +7.5% Max HP, or, confusingly, Preventive Medicine's Absorb Proc*).

 

* The Absorb Proc is really a Global Proc - it only has a chance to activate (like a proc), but that chance is not checked only when you use the power, it's checked all the time. I often slot it in Resurrect powers and it still works.

[Extor Prime]

What about Blessing of the Zephyr KB protection IO? Does it need to be in an active power to give the bonus?

[merrypessimist]

Only needs to be in a power that's available, not necessarily one that's active.