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I think ToF with an 8ft radius and a 12-20 second cooldown with appropriate damage may please people more. Could be worth a test at least.

I know what you are saying but usually i just use them to fill any gaps like AoE or more single target etc. I just think it is a weird idea to want to dismiss a skill to a power set once epics are opened up, considering the time it takes to hit 35 nowadays. I can't imagine Claws Spin being replaced by epics for example.

I would have liked to have seen something more interesting than this ToF. It is a spammy low radius AoE, it is pretty boring really. I don't understand why it is mentioned as a filler until epic pools...surely the epic pools should be the fillers. Dark obliteration is a far better AoE. Can we get some of the thinking that created Energy Melee please. ToF, Soul drain and Dark consumption, all need looking at as an AoE. Sorry to be negative but i just don't like the spammy low radius nature of it. Lets not have to redo this again in a few months time.

Good for you. I was joking with you somewhat though. I just found it funny you have such a big claim to kill faster than anyone on the TF. I would like to see that damage as i reckon i have some that may give you a run for your money.

Could you increase the radius of Touch of Fear to 8ft at least for us to test?

No it gained AoE but the to hit debuff stayed single target. If it changed to AoE it should do AoE to hit debuff also. In a way it DID lose AoE to hit debuff.

Honestly that is just nit picking. Waste of a post. I think most people understood what i meant, obviously not you though. To hit debuffs are part of the set just like stuns and kds for other sets etc. The power always had a to hit debuff but it has changed to AoE and the AoE component should have the to hit debuff. Shadow maul is not what it is on live though is it? why because of ToF. So it is not everything it is on live and more is it? lol Energy melee gets better single target damage and has increased targets on a cone and still has a PBaoE. Dark is no where near as good with a very weak melee TAoE that actually nerfs SM to get.

A team of controllers? lol I would like to see that. What secondary is it running just out of curiosity?

It is certainly better than the new Touch of Fear they are proposing.

I would say it works well with any set. Invuln does have a heal, regen can cover it also and the rebirth incarnate. But in particualr it could work well with SR. The lower SR health goes down the higher its mitigation goes up, it could actually work quite well lol. Some sets have extra stun in them like Dark Armour and Stalker Energy Aura which could work well also. Stun procs in powers like lightning field may work well, also anything that taunts and quite a few attacks take stun procs. How well they will work though i don't know i have not tested them. But i think any set is viable. Just pick the one you like.

Its a shame you didn't take the opportunity to try something different with Touch of Fear in dark Melee for us to test. This version of ToF is not good. The more i play it the less i like it. The radius, the damage, the cooldown, adding the AoE but not the to hit debuff to the AoE is all bad (there you go). The power is mediocre for leveling, i preferred the old Shadow Maul and at higher levels i think ToF will just be respecced out. Could you give us a slightly different version with more cooldown and higher damage and a larger radius or something else other than this to test? Energy Melee definitely got the main focus and DM just an after thought with a boring mediocre fix that will probably need another fix in the future.

I made a few small changes in your build @Infinitum. What do you think? You can just slot your flight powers back in if you wished. Or closer to your build.

I would probably swap the touch of death set with a Hecatomb set and a Winters gift slow resistance into fly. Being slowed isn't fun and the KB of invuln is pretty good especially with good defence. 3 set SAvalanche and 3 set Eradication into Whirling hands. You could always drop afterburner to pick up taunt if you wished. Or take super jump, taunt and maneuvers instead of fly, hover and afterburner. Either way it will be a very strong tanker.

Yes I think if they are adding AoE to sets that have good single target then Staff should get it's single target looked at also as it is pretty bad. Pain Dominations needs some work. Anguishing cry needs to be a targeted AoE rather than putting a healer into the danger zone. I put willpower here because once those defences are stripped which is very easy with its low DDR it is just a low resist set with very good regen that only gets better with more mobs. The regen is easily overwhelmed as it doesn't have any real emergency skills to back it up. The T9 should be better than what it is maybe. Increasing the DDR a little will at least slow the cascade failure some.

Does it matter? it isn't feedback just bickering.

Nothing different to some other sets. Its not like you will be missing an attack, it just won't have the secondary effects. It's not like Em doesn't have stuns already. Power crash will be a spender until ET. I am not saying remove it, i am saying i wouldn't miss it if it went. Keep it for me, it is just a bonus. I am just trying to suggest possible ways to make the set slightly less combo orientated for those who don't like combo's. A small compromise.

Yes lets keep it civil please, everyone has their own opinions. But just to point out...You are all wrong and i am always right! My missus says so anyway 🙂

Or if the set even really needs it. I could certainly live without it.

I think it would depend on what you are facing. Most sets have a weakness but a good build can cover most of those weaknesses. Overall i think shield and invuln are the toughest sets going. Invuln probably number one there. Granite is tough as hell but the slow movement is a bit of a bummer. Rad is a great mobile very tough set that brings extra AoE damage, good for clearing mobs fast, which is also a survival buff. To be honest all Tanker sets are tough lol, even fire if built well. Tankers are awesome 🙂

You are never going to please everyone unfortunately. I am having no issues that is all i can say.

PC cone will be hard to hit it's target cap unless the mobs are lined up perfectly so EF on PC is not always very good. Why would you want to use PC between TF-ET? ET will take one second to go off. Use PC just after it. It really isn't an issue. TF-ET-PC-EP/BS/Barrage or something like that, /repeat. If you want to clear the herd more then follow TF with PC and forget ET until mobs are down and use WH instead. If you want to clear a boss then forget PC and add another single target like gloom or BS etc. I really can not see the problem. I find it very easy.

Slot TF with more recharge (heca set) and proc ET up more. TF and ET will then be closer in cooldown. Get some recharge in the build.

Could we get the - to hit debuff added to Touch of Fear AoE and not just the single target? Remove it from Shadow Maul if necessary. ToF hits more targets which would be better as other sets have KDs and stuns etc in AoEs. Increase the Radius of ToF slightly to 8ft at least please, so it can hit it's target cap easier. I don't believe it is hitting it's cap as it is, 10 maybe rather than 16 for a Tanker. Perhaps give the main target the full -to hit debuff and the AoE component gives a 50%reduced to hit debuff.

If you slot the powers right the attack chain will flow much better. Experiment some more and +recharge is good. ET is still a very good attack even when slow. Fast ET is amazingly good. Fast ET on a 10 second cooldown that was fast all the time would be seriously OP. Powercrash with a Knockdown would be a little too much maybe with FF proc in it. If it isn't flowing well for you, you probably aren't using it to it's best yet. It certainly does for a lot of others. Don't give up on it yet. As a Tanker you choose whether to concentrate on AoE (PC) or single target (ET). Use PC to clear mobs then switch to ET to finish any bosses etc. The only thing i would remove if any would be Energy Focus from Barrage as i don't think it is needed really. I can't ever imagine using it over a fast ET.

Are you the same person that has the hero Maximum Cleavage, with a similar look also? I think they used TWs.