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There's nothing to counter. I had already said (repeatedly) both parties could've communicated better.

It isn't. If you actually read and understood what I wrote, I said the leader forming that TF could've communicated better too. That still isn't an excuse for not asking basic questions if you aren't sure when joining a team. Nice try though 😉 That's your expectation which others clearly don't have and why people should communicate with each other if they aren't certain.

Different opinions and viewpoints aren't exactly welcomed with open arms here and the mods here absolutely hide stuff all the time. They have since the beginning. Not saying they shouldn't do it, it's their server so they can do whatever they want. Just pointing out that this kind of behavior isn't unique to reddit.

Oh please. Like typing "Hi, is this a speed TF?" or "what diff are we running at?" is such a hardship. If you can't be arsed to do that much, you deserve what you get. ^ That's it exactly.

That's true. You're wrong on this topic for sure since you're partly to blame for your own predicament. You (not the team leader) made an assumption on what other people think, how other players communicate and you got burned for not taking the time to chat. You didn't take a few seconds before starting the TF to communicate with your fellow team members, ask questions or let others know what you were after. That's 100% on you. This isn't excusing the team leader at all. Of course they could've communicated better too. Communication goes both ways though. Since your thread title is "Quit Another TF", sounds like you've had issues joining teams before and maybe you need to ask yourself what you can do better to communicate what you're after to other people. Maybe that'll help make your experience more enjoyable for you and you'll abandon less teams. ^ Spot on.

Right so it's always everyone else who's at fault and never you. 🤣 And who exactly is "we" in this case? What about all of these mythical new players who aren't familiar with your approved version of "shorthand chat"? People aren't mind readers. Like I said, that person could've communicated better about how they were rolling but you also could've asked. Instead you just chose to leave the rest of the team hanging because 7 other people didn't want to play your way. That's not cool.

How do you know they're really new?

Not defending the person who set up the TF, but you making assumptions about the setup is a you problem. Yeah, maybe they could've advertised it better but you also could've and should have asked before joining the team to find out what kind of run it was. Just ditching everyone else on the team is bad form.

What new players?

Like I said above, some people just can't help themselves. They're all over the place too. Sad really. Just /ignore them and move on.

Best news I've heard all week. This made my day. Thanks! 😉

Probably trying to make up for the abysmal crap they've been putting out of late. lol

Yeah, sadly this happens more often than not. There's quite a lot of people here who want to judge others. It's doing more harm than good for player retention nor is it helping attract new people. Word of stuff like this gets around for sure. Sorry you had to experience it first hand. Can't say I really give a crap about you either. I do find your thread here hysterical though. I mean, it's hilariously hypocritical making a thread criticizing a fellow player for their lack of imagination and creativity in making a clone of a favorite character while saying you "get as close as you can" to your favorite character. "Rules for thee but not for me" is alive and well here for sure. I get it though, it's only bad if someone does it. 😉

They are very, very, very, very easy to identify through their posts here on the forums when this topic comes up every so often. They're also super easy to spot in game on various chat channels when they're criticizing another player for their character name or costume design or biography. The rule gives them the bludgeon they want to force everyone to conform to their warped point of view.

You realize that I don't disagree with the rules here on this, right? If not, I'm happy to re-quote all the posts I've made that stated that. Depends on the motive. You've got people here who don't care what others do - which I believe to be most folk, but they'll follow the rules (however silly). You've also got quite a few anal retentive types who have absolutely no qualms about expressing their complete disdain of anyone who doesn't meet their utterly distorted views on creativity and originality and love to belittle and badger those who disagree. They just can't help themselves from being total aholes. There is a difference.

It's not fearmongering, at least not from me. I'm just going by what I've seen for myself and have read here and through in-game chat. I don't blame anyone for reporting.

Sure they can. We could all get struck by a meteor too. Doesn't make it something to be overly concerned about.

Welcome back. I hope you enjoy your time here.

I don't at all disagree. Personally, I believe companies like Disney take the same attitude toward things like this game and others like it out there. They don't care. All the pseudo care concern and hysteria some folk here have about people making homages isn't something to be worried about or make a big deal over in my opinion. It's more about using the rule as a bludgeon to inflict their will on others to conform to their personal ideas of creativity.

IP infringement is IP infringement. I'd say it's probably a good idea to address these and all of these groups should be renamed or removed. Can't be too careful and better to be safe than sorry. Rules are rules and need to be applied fairly to everyone.

I'm not suggesting anyone should or shouldn't care. That's entirely up to them. I'm just offering my 2 inf. Obviously you care because you're making such a big fuss over the topic. I'm no lawyer and don't know the specific legal precedents either. I'm just going with what I see with my own 2 eyes. I'll reiterate again, I don't mind the rules on this topic here. I just find it hysterical and to be honest hypocritical how these "rules" are applied differently based on the individual(s) they're applied to. When word of the server first leaked, people were asking if it was legal. There were a lot of people who said that since NCSoft didn't immediately shut it down, that was "tacit permission" (exact words) and that made it perfectly legal. There's a lot of folks here complaining about "copyright infringement" and worrying about even the mere hint of a lawsuit in fear of the game getting shut down because Homecoming "doesn't have lawyers to fight it", yet there are definitely groups and individuals on here being allowed to use names, likenesses/costumes, biographies and group names of trademarked and copyrighted materials. I'll go out on a limb and say I don't think anyone has the permission to use some of these group names. Here are a few examples https://ibb.co/VWFdTpx https://ibb.co/3B60Yfb https://ibb.co/pXpdvPR https://ibb.co/Sw12fZQ https://ibb.co/Wc57GGG https://ibb.co/DD3vRyb https://ibb.co/S0s1J39 https://ibb.co/BsXQyw0 https://ibb.co/mNJmrys To be fair, some of these may be legacy before the rules were put in place. I do know for a fact there are 2 in that list on Everlasting that are very active and run costume contests and such. When questioned why they were allowed to use a copyrighted name, we were given the excuse of "it predates the Marvel film". How that can be proven is suspicious, but even if it could, isn't it better to follow the "rather safe then sorry" rule here? Again, rules are different depending on who you are here. That to me isn't fair. I wanted to say again, I completely respect your opinion. I just disagree with it.

So dressing up as Superman and going to a comic con to run around and pretend to be Superman is ok because it isn't commercial. Drawing a picture of Batman and posting it on your art site for free to share your artistic talent with others is ok because it isn't commercial. Creating an homage in a defunct video game on a pirate server where there's no money being taken for profit and isn't being used for commercial purposes isn't ok? Give me a break. Isn't someone making a character here for "personal rather can commercial" purposes? If you're cosplaying as Iron Man at a comic con or cosplaying as Iron Man here in game, what's the real difference? Why would Disney ignore one non-commercial thing and not another? It would simply do them more harm than good for them to sue its own fans. That's why they don't do it. Absolutely without question Disney or Marvel or DC can hand out cease and desist letters to every cosplayer out there entering a con or posting photos of themselves online. It may or may not be fair use, but that doesn't mean Disney can't sue people and take them to court for it. Sure, there are licensed skins in all kinds of video games. There's also a literal crap ton of them out there that are unlicensed. I completely get it that it's better to be safe than sorry and I keep repeating that I don't object to their being rules here for it. I'm just finding most of the excuses being given for why it's necessary very, very thin at best and the application of those rules absolutely ludicrously biased. That's nice. Is the Shadow of the Vampire version you're using as an avatar expired too? Or do you have permission to use it from the owner/actor/producer/studio?

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I completely respect your opinion. However, like I keep suggesting, the house of mouse could have their "tons of lawyers" standing at the front door of every comic con in the world handing out cease and desists to every single cosplayer walking through the door, especially to those making zombie or overtly sexualized versions of their intellectual property. Those are easy targets, yet they don't do it. They could shut down every website that hosts a piece of art drawn by a fan being shared for free, but they don't. They could go on an a rampage to shut down every site offering a free skin of Disney/DC/Marvel characters for Minecraft or Roblox or the Sims or whatever else. But they don't. Absolutely they can do all these things. I think it safe to say it's just not worth their time or effort, much like going after a rogue server running a stolen copy of a 20 year old game generating zero profit would be because someone made a Captain America or Iron Man clone. Never once suggested that I should be able to. You'll note I said I've no issue with there being rules about this. I do find it kinda funny that you're harping about others "infringing" on property rights when you're using an avatar of a person and character you certainly don't have any property rights to. Was it a parody character? Far as I remember, those are absolutely allowed. If not, then go ahead and report it if it will make you feel better.

This is great. When will it be applied the same for everyone? You may recall, we've been in threads where there seemed to be "exceptions" to this rule which don't get applied to everyone.