ZacKing

So long as those costumes aren't parodies or homages. there is no wiggle room there, despite being told the contrary.

I don't think they had a NDA and "invite only" policy because they were working for years to get the code ready to release to the world. I'm sure there were contingency plans in place for what to do once word got out. This isn't a knock on anyone at homecoming. I think any of us would have done what they did were we in their shoes. But I don't think they were in hiding for years and by coincidence were ready to release the game for all the world to see when someone broke the NDA. regardless, I think we should be happy with what we have and enjoy it while it lasts and thank all of the people running various servers for their effort. For all we know, NCSoft is going to shut it down tomorrow.

I've had a couple of my posts disappear too, even spoken via PM to a couple of other posters about it since theirs seemed to go missing too. Nothing that I saw was breaking any rules either but it's their call on that. I'm not accusing anyone of anything, just saying that it does happen. it's their servers so they can do whatever they want. good advice.

Your McDonald's happy meal burger isn't an illegitimate burger that can get shut down by the rightful owner at any moment, is it?

having the game back is not special enough for you? It's here. Enjoy it while it last it may be gone tomorrow.

No way this can be measured accurately unless you're going to be the only one taunting on a raid under very controlled circumstances. Totally ignores kills made by your teammates from mobs pulled in by others on the raid. These "losses" are easily made up and then some. You can lose agro to another league player just as easily as someone soloing. the problem with hypotheticals like this is that they are hypothetical. 1 guy running around the bowl isn't stealing all the cookies from everyone.

sounds to me like it was the rest of the team who couldn't cut it. stuff happens so better to up your game and adapt.

It's not a legit operation. We all hope that changes but until then, best to remember this isn't a licensed legit operation. the old game forums and company they belong to don't exist anymore. we were never under some lifetime NDA or something.

Marvel doesn't own Thor. they can't. you're more than able to make a character named Thor in game and there isn't a damned thing Disney or Marvel can do about it. just don't make it look exactly like the Marvel version and you're good to go.

Yep. I'm out. enjoy

Can you directly quote someone who said it was the "most appropriate response"? because that was never said like at all. anywhere. by anyone. You're trying to add a spin to it to fit your interpretation with every silly example you're giving. They all can be interpreted differently base on the individual. it depends on the individual person and their experience. And yeah, the truth does hurt sometimes. truth isn't good or bad, its just the truth.

To some. to others its not, not matter what silly hypothetical examples you can dream up. but if you want to keep trying to say that, go right ahead. nonsense. truth is truth.

I agree with Prototech. the people here quick to jump all over and verbally abuse someone who they deem as being dismissive or unsympathetic to the feelings of others are being just as dismissive and unsympathetic themselves. no one blinks an eye to even consider that the person who replied to the OP might have been offended by what the OP posted. "tough it up snowflake" or "want some cheese to go with that whine?" is being dismissive and unsympathetic. "don't let it bother you" is not. There are happy themed songs written with those as lyrics. People taking that as some kind of negative unsympathetic thing says way way more about them than it does anything else. Sad but this is the age we live in where trigger warnings are required in schools and on social media.

Ha! I got jumped all over and attacked for saying there was code to automatically ban in the game and got yelled at for it by other players on here. looks like those players didn't know how the game code worked after all. anyway, sad to see this get changed because the costumes were fun but its understandable. great idea to use player costumes!

Yes I get that. Just saying that reasons given don't always have to be perfect.

Throwing a rock from the floor in an office map doesn't leave a big hole in the floor either. Gravity control tosses stuff not even in the room.

BINGO! Give that man the cigar. And proof of it all is that the name never got changed - just the costume. Just look at the immediate reply to my post here and very very easy to see why the concern some have about abuse is legit.

I'm glad you asked. No I was not a GM and I didn't say I was but I am most certainly capable of drawing upon first hand experiences. I had several friends and SG mates who this happened to when live. Feel free to disbelieve it. best example I remember is my SG mate who had a kinetics toon named Wonderous Woman. Character was genericed several times and from the responses from the CS reps was for "copyright infringement". Costume and bio had nothing to do with Wonder Woman at all and going by what is being tossed about here, it should never have even been considered. anyone can clearly see there was no similarity. So either someone was being a troll and kept reporting them, there was an automated system of some kind to fuzzy search for specific keywords or other players kept legitimately reporting it. My experience says it was the former. in any case, it was auto reset without review. and this wasn't an isolated case. But again, reading responses like yours I can see where the concern some people who express concern about the policy comes from. I'll take the homecoming team word that they have it under control and give them the benefit of the doubt. let's be honest though - the system just like it was on live is open to abuse.

This is an absolutely fair and legitimate concern that seems to be getting hand waived away as "not going to happen". This is a volunteer staff with limited time and limited resources. Just look at the amount of threads expressing "concern" over the numbers of copycats in the game and the attitudes of those chomping at the bit to report them and you'll have an idea of how many reports are going to get flooded in. To be concerned that a small staff is simply not going to have the time or desire to spend their time every day to review every report in every little detail is legit. That is not a personal knock on anyone, and not calling anyone on the staff lazy. it's just practical reality. They should be working on maintaining and developing - not dealing with looking at characters that some "overly concerned" person thinks is "too close for comfort." This is going to be just like it was on live - reports come in and the toon is auto-renamed and costume auto-reset first, ask for forgiveness later. I also find it hilarious that it would even be suggested that people with no problem with others making cosplays are going to "jam up the system to prevent getting reported". Read their posts, most if not all of them had said they don't and will never report anyone. proof is in the pudding. And saying "griefing didn't happen on live ever" is not true and impossible to try to claim, unless anyone here was a Cryptic or Paragon dev or CS rep that has access to the old data. I am glad to hear that the people sending the reports are going to be subject to review. That is a great comfort in keeping the obvious care concerned trolls in check.

See my post above.

Oh I know I used "irony" over what it really is. putting the word hypocrite in a post seems to result in an eventual report flag no matter what, so I made a choice. And let me say by including it here I'm not directing it at anyone in person. Another word I will call it is sad. very sad. Several self proclaimed forum champions here used every disingenuous excuse for care concern and fake empathy they can come up with other than google search law to claim the moral high ground because cosplay is "stealing". everything from "looking out for everyone" to "hurting real people who need copyrights to make a living" and "taking food out of their mouths" to "hurting people who have children to support". Its beyond incredible. The law applies to everyone equally. trying to all of a sudden be worried about Marvel suing the game because of infringement, calling it "illegal" and theft", calling the people who make cosplays "shady" and "uncreative" while in the same breath having no issue or concern whatsoever playing on a pirate server a pirated game from code stolen from the rightful owner by a group of people who in fact kept it hidden from everyone for years speaks volumes about the real motives of the anti-cosplay crowd. The chances of legal trouble due to theft of the game is far greater than Disney giving a hoot. Let me be absolutely clear - this is in no way an attack or dig at anyone at homecoming. If any of you take it that way, I apologize it isn't my intention. Safe to assume everyone hates NCSoft equally here and I think we can all understand why homecoming did what they did and their reasoning behind it. Malice or self profit wasn't their intent and given the circumstances, I believe most of us if not all would have done the same thing. But lets all be honest - theft is theft no matter the victim. Like it or not, NCSoft has rights and NCSoft has employees who have families to support and whatever other excuses were used to justify not liking cosplayers. So please, stop with the obvious dishonesty and stop insulting the intelligence of people about what the selfish personal motivations are. We're all hypocrites no matter what side of the fence we are on with this issue. Rules are rules so either accept it now or move to another server because there are others out there. Me? I will never report anyone I see who has a cosplay toon unless they are a complete jerk griefing people. I'm here to have fun and enjoy myself the way I want and let others do the same. Thank you to homecoming for taking these steps toward making the game and server legit. Hopefully everyone can stop bickering long enough to help the folks here toward that goal.

No one is suggested direct copies aren't illegal. some here have gone to great lengths to say any kind of copy even if it is meant as comedy should get banned and try to sell it as care concern when they just don't like people who aren't creative enough for them. It's ok to think people aren't creative, just say so and don't try to hide it. It's funny so many people are frightened about illegal clones and getting sued by someone while playing on a pirate server running stolen code. Where is the concern for NCSoft and their property and trademark rights? Sort of ironic to be ok with theft so long as you don't like the company.

Trademarks need to be protected so having assets to go after is not always required. Could Disney sue? Sure. server could also get struck by a random meteor. tons of websites out there for tons of games with mods or 3D models or art prints for free or even for sale. Guaranteed these companies know they are there and don't bother with them. look at all the sellers on Amazon selling Marvel and DC stuff. They all have a license? Amazon has more money than God. Disney doesn't bat an eye.

Don't need to assume what other people intend to when they post that they're jumping for joy over it.

This is like the opposite of what you whined about in other threads on the topic. Posters on here are making it fairly clear they are doing the happy dance now that they have the "official" ok to report others. Griefing is going to occur, just like it did on live. Good luck to them fielding all of the incoming "infringement" reports. It's going to be genericize first, answer questions later. if they feel like they want to.