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Passion for Poison...glad to see it my guy.

HAHAHA! Cherry picking at it's absolute best. Nice try though. The goalpost ain't moving, you just can't split the up rights.

Laboratory math is often strained to hold true when put in real life tests. This game has variables stacked on stacks of variables. Across an entire TF run it would be near impossible to account for the "biggest" contributor of the clear time. You couldn't even get consistent numbers solo'ing. I said VG adds, I'm not taking that back. It just doesn't actually add that much when the rubber meets the road.

I'm thinking some on here have yet to experience this. But this is much the reason I think that the ST/splash debuffs are plenty in normal content. Some here seem to be laboring under the impression that Poison's VG is the linchpin to any team. The majority (outside of a 100% PUG) of my runs are like what @Snarkydescribed. It's like the Fire x3 Blaster build that you built, I can hit Build Up and Aim before Inferno, but really just one of them is MORE than enough. Do I do more damage with both? Mmhmm. Do minions and lieutenants all die when I use just one? Mmhmm. Actually, I think they die even without Build up or Aim. But the bosses and EB and up will generally still be standing in +4 content. I am almost always first in on my (Snarky's) Triple Fire Blaster too, so any Poison on the team might feel some certain way about that kind of speed. PUGs though, if I'm totally honest, still clear really fast, especially if it's less than 54. Now perhaps when I exemp down far enough...don't know... I was once on what was originally recruited as a Defender only ITF, but they only got 5 so they opened the last 3 spots up to the rest of us scrubs. I hopped in with a Brute, Sav/Bio, I believe. I was just along for the ride. They didn't need me or anything else, I was sort of like VG on that team.

I challenge your "sub-optimal" claim, as you are likely not to have any hard data to back it up other than feels. This happens in performance cars too. We call it "seat of your pants horse power." But without a dyno, and a few passes down the track, you really just "feel" like it's the best thing on the road. I'm not going to retype what I've already stated... But... Envenom and Weaken are far superior and they both cycle back up quickly. Does VG add, sure, not saying it doesn't. I'm saying it doesn't add enough to move the needle, to use @tidge words. Now I've played a few times since the respec and yeah Poison Trap is the difference maker, not VG. If you ran an ITF at +4 with the same team (all 50 and all geared) ten times in a row, half with VG on and the other half with it off, you will not notice a difference and if you do it'll be within the margin of error...well except that in the run without, you don't have to hop into melee unless you want to. But hey, you do you boo. I'm sure you have fun with your "optimal" build too. From a min/max perspective, I do see your point. But from a big picture POV, VG is but a speck.

Mkay...some would say it ain't 🙂

I say we track down this nice one and "arrest" him until he tells us what's he's done with the real @Snarky

Play how you wanna play. This game is literally the most customizable there is. Wanna zip to 50, be there in hours. Wanna slow roll, plenty of story and TFs and teams going. Want to solo, set the difficulty level to your fav and go at it. Need help ask, there are SO MANY good people here they'll trip over each other trying to get to you. Wanna RP, Pocket D will always have some going on (at least on Everlasting). Like alts, 1000 character slots per account. Like being original, so many power combinations and slotting possibilities that it's unlikely you'll come across an exact copy, same goes for costume. Wanna make INF! There are guides everywhere and heck there are some that throw millions your way without even asking. Be kind and do what you do.

Dude where TF is the real @Snarky?!!

I've ran 2xp since day 1. The first thing I do after I make a character is load up on 8 full hours of the stuff. The last thing I do before I log out is replenish it. Rinse and repeat until 50, which I've done in 2 days without power leveling....sort of....after lvl 35 hop into a +4/8 ITF and technically your just along for the ride. I've slow rolled a couple to 20 something and yes the stories are worth it, but that's not my thing really. The "lost" inf from the 2x xp boost is seriously just a drop in the bucket. One run in an ITF after 50 and you'll earn more than you would've from 1-49 any ways. Influence or Infamy is super easy to accumulate after 50. I say boost yoself! Get loads of inf socked away then slow roll you a toon to 50. This way you can gear the slow roller with all the best and it'll be less of a slog. Just my 2 inf....

I do a similar thing as @Snarky with mine, only I add Torrent with a KB->KD and while they're all getting back up I slide in for nukage. I also use the double stun on them, as the Snarkman described. There is so much -toHit in the set and so much soft mitigation....very safe ride. I did chase some ranged def with mine though. Corruptor - Dark-x3-5.1.mbd

Meh I don't need a build...and on my kins rarely every use ID and if I do it's for the mez protection not the resist value.

I'm not saying Venomous gas sucks. It's just overkill on mobs that already die extremely quick. But a couple things... In my original build I did not take Poison Trap due to self-imposed theme restrictions. I recently discovered this was a mistake. Poison Trap is a must take. And maybe that's where I was failing. Not having that big CC to drop and help kill and add soft mitigation. I still stand by VG being superfluous when underlings already die to one (maybe two) alfa strike from the team without it. I have respec'd the build to include Poison Trap and I've kept Venomous Gas, due to a change in plans with this one. I'll now be using him in 4 star content, where VG is absolutely valuable, since huge piles of mobs tend to last way longer and the team is focused, tight, buffing and barrier cycling, and there is always a tank. In that climate VG has time to shine. Any who happy poisoning!

I like it Why not let Increase Density mule a unique and free up a slot from Tough? Maybe add it to Hasten or Fulcrum Shift

So if it's a damage set proc it rides on damage? Or just a toHit check?

Hmm... How are we supposed to know this sort of thing? and... Would that mean that anything not mez'd by the aura and thus taking damage would then be mez'd by cupid?

I added the confuse from Cupid's set as well.

Since this thread isn't too old... I went with 2x D-Synch Binding (Acc + Mez), Tanker Res proc, Superior Entomb: absorb proc, Contagious Confusion, and Cupids confusion And so I'm wondering how well that will work...

Hey preciate the build to compare to! Got a question, cause I just spotted it and don't know if it's MID's fuzzy math or real, but Rend Armor hits for over 1200 when it crits in my version of MIDs. Is that what you see in game? Thanks!

Guess I'll stick him in a farm for a more controlled look at the activation of the different procs. My secondary is Energy Aura so my recharge fluctuates... I could go Agility or Spiritual for the recharge bump but since procs are used thought Musculature was a better choice. On my Brute I didn't proc anything and did go Spiritual. I based my secondary slotting partially off @Thraxen high recharge /Ele build.

OK I've played both Scrapper and Brute, the former most (lvl 41 atm). What I'm seeing is that the procs, when Momentum is on, don't seem to have much value. MIDs shows this not sure how accurate the numbers are though. I was told momentum does not affect recharge like MIDs shows but I'm not sure how to verify this in game, and that the proc % should not be affected like MIDs shows. Anecdotally, FF +recharge doesn't seem to proc very often at all when Arc of Destruction is used during Momentum. So question for the Build Masters, do you proc out TW?? By the way, in my humble opinion, Titan Weapon is not slow at all. I don't know what is used to be like, but Crushing Blow has a 2 sec activation, after that everything has a 1.0 - 1.37 activation time, then back to Crushing Blow. So far I can work in quite a nice attack chain and my dude is spinning his ass off with the giant friggin' weapon. Looks awesome and the numbers are decent.

Mkay, how do we get this thing pinned?? This is too good not to have at the top! Thank you @The Trouble

Well I mean what's 1%? With momentum it's 89%, unless I'm looking at it wrong.

Sorry, just making sure I'm reading the TW chart correctly. Rend has the highest chance to proc for a ST attack, at 90%?

I have a Dark/EM Tanker that is amazing at controlling mobs. Everything I touch is stunned. All the little ones are walking around looking for squirrels and bosses, once tapped a couple times, are doing the same. It also has, great ST on a Tank. Tanking is all about holding aggro, surviving, and DPSing - probably in that order, at least on teams. I know OP asked Tanker or Scrapper, but IMHO, Energy Melee is best on a Stalker.