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I think you should also test it on brutes and tanks to see how the various inherants skew the results fury vs crits vs nothing with tanks yet until the changes hit perhaps

To be fair though you should at least test with a non +end secondary also to see if the results are dramatically off.

Yeah I misread that part, but I know what she was talking about, there was only Invul, fire, ice, and stone I think for tank armor choices and brutes hadnt been proliferated yet for blue side. So the game was already hard on those sets just dealing with carnies and Malta and the original praetorian, the itf wasnt easy either because they had a stacking defense debuff that was murder on an invul, thats from a tanks perspective which is all I played for the longest time. I can only imagine what the idf would have done because IOset builds were more on a budget also.

Did you read all of what she said? She mentioned the time during the EM nerf, and ITF, plus I wad back for 1 month before shutdown when I played a troller almost exclusively.

all of what you said was my experience as well, that's how I remembered it to the letter, and also why I left.

Look you are giving me way too much credit... lol. I'm not nearly clever or intelligent enough to accomplish what you are trying to give me credit for. I have no idea what all the logical fallicies are, let alone how to use them. Nor do I care I'm not nor have I ever been on a debate team. What I say on here is based on my feelings and experiences in both dealing with people and playing the game. Thats all, nothing more.

Well this is a game based on super heroes which is a fantasy about super powers last time I checked. I wanted to be a weak overly sarcastic salesman I would just get back to work right now.... Speaking of.....

None of what hes concerned about would be fixed by anything done to TW or the coming tank buffs to make it any worse honestly. Thats more of a min max issue, which if its a huge issue, dont min max. lol you have the power over what you slot and who you team with. I like the extreme power though.

Agree 100 %

Can I answer "whatever doesn't get psi melee and brute res caps nerfed and EM buffed?" lol. Jk.

Yeah i trust homecoming too, and will go with whatever they decide. They brought back something I loved so its a small price to pay if this doesn't go the way I want ot think it should.

Yeah I was typing the same thing Adjuster just beat me to it. The tests that yield the results would have to also have to play to various strengths and weaknesses you face in game, ie especially not pylon tests.

Yeah once resistance is factored it id imagine it would be a bit harder That's dedication. lol. I don't have the patience for things that seem like they are sitting still. That's kinda why I prefer all the new shiney powers and incarnate abilities.

It's only 100 HP per second? You sure about that? That doesn seem right from what you face in game with a team. Seems to take longer to overcome than what 100 hp per second is.

The rad has an attack and built in debuffs though, what is the secondary for the stalker?

lol that is pretty cool though. Guess I just missed all that. What did they do to overcome the AV regen? Was it straight up dps or trickeration?

I thought the ITF and most TFs used to require a minimum team to even start it though, wasn't the ITF 6? Back then I remember all scrapper STF and stuff like that, but never soloing a TF I thought that started with homecoming.

Yeah I can see that, I think - again - homecoming has a good feel for things. I'm just trying to illustrate how this appears to be a whole lot of busy body work for something that really isn't broken. I can't say there is much that feels or appears broken in the game aside from sets like EM that need some love. I really dont get why TW isnthe target here, I have played it, its not for me, and thats after I fixed my build last night the way y'all said to because curiosity got the better of me, its still not for me, I dont get the foaming at the mouth to fix it. My biggest concern is that it could affect more than one melee set needlessly. Sentinels and blasters soloing the itf or LGTF or just about any tf seems way more broken than this, but again in the grand scheme of things not really because it is a super hero game. I dont really have a problem with any of that. Anyway we've already beat this path to death, valid tests should yield valid numbers. Anything other than pylon tests. Question though, what if you have 4 or 5 melee sets at the top and 4 or 5 at the bottom with not much in the middle? Will you propose bringing the top down or bringing the bottom up? My cincern is you will say bring the top sets down, and I dont think that is the correct course of action. Or the right thing to do.

So how many years did it run without any issues or complaints about power creep?

Was TW on the private server?

So for 11 years the game has been stable, correct? Flourishing now more than ever since the private server was exposed and Homecoming has done an awesome job bringing it to all of us. Why all the sudden are there issues with the"game breaking"? I think it's just an extreme overreaction to something that is perceived but not real. Power creep obviously hasn't destroyed it or even affected it.. Eventually the new will wear off CoH with some people but it won't be TW or how the power structure of the game is that's at fault. If anything melee has finally caught up to the rest of the coh world and that's a good thing for all us melee players.

Remember what I said? I left after the em nerf, the warmace change is new to me, so is TW Rad Psi and a bunch more. Its better than what I remember, all of it. Yeah powerful until you come up on the AV after the issue they buffed the crap out of their regen. Then you are "looking for rad for av help" you can take any team any level now and take on any AV in normal content and thats how it should be. I am pretty sure what you are going to see is a bunch of sets need a little help, and TW is towards the top but a few are actually more effecient than it is when factoring in things like end usage, kb, and hard target. Nothing feels like its so OP it needs toned down, melee as a whole is right in line with the rest of the game with how the team dynamic feels. Would really suck if that ends up ruined again.

Have you ever played it?

Ah no not buying that. The rest of the game passed melee by for a long time especially after the EM nerf, it wasnt until buffs to mace, the arrival of TW Rad Psi, has melee been in a good place. I basically quit playing after the EM nerf aside for a bout a month till sunset Homecoming was like a new world with all the nice melee sets that were more powerful. Is soloing a TF considered OP? Just wondering.

You havent proven it needs it by any standard. And tuning it down is a nerf. And it doesn't impact me this time because I dont even play TW anymore, but it may the next time when it's something I like that's suddenly too good thats breaking the game and ruining your fun again. You sae my screenshot right? I'm a psi melee player that I think is lightyears beyond TW. You will come for it next. Then rad because those are too good. Power creep is a never-ending myth that people use when they cant get their way on here.