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Its insulting. More so for a game which includes FF, Sonic, and TA. Oh, you don't heal? You aren't wanted. Go play a real support set.

Ice Melee is cheat code for /regen though. Ice Patch mitigates so much incoming damage even if the damage is lower, that it simply won't matter. I've street swept +5s in my 20s on a couple different builds simply due to Ice Patch.

Oddly enough I've never taken it, and it feels like it is on the bottom of the list of things I would take. Maybe someday I'll grab it as a secondary option and see if I like it better.

So, not a trinity at all holy or not. As someone who ODed on Kin on Live, I prefer not having Kin or Dark reduced to being 'healers.'

All support teams laugh at the idea CoH was ever about the Holy Trinity. You might have wanted it or needed it, but many of us absolutely went against it.

I don't mind them so much if they are a bit flexible. DB's combo system can die in a fire. More so when there is no combo which works best for DPS. You gave something a combo system so a player can ignore it. Here's your sign. I rolled a BA/stone Brute due to how much it was going to overperform. I dinged Level 20, and so far so good.

A fully procced out build is also sacrificing durability.

I wouldn't use the regular heal sets for Transfusion. Outside of the +4 mob aspect, there's simply too many mobs which impact your ability to hit anyway. That build gives just 38.3% +ToHit. I've been on my Scrapper with 97.6% start missing a lot for certain mobs. Just a quick scan over the build, one slotted Wormhole and 6-slotted with ATOs for Churching Field. WTF? They don't even take an Epic AoE attack to leverage using Crushing Field.

Scrappers and Stalkers get Weapon Mastery so you don't have to go for a Dominator. If I wanted to make a ninja based Dom, I would go Gravity for my primary.

I did a DB/dark at one point. I think DB has some good choices for weapon customization.

Technically it looks like Claws and EM are tied, and as nihilii pointed out, that doesn't factor in resistances where EM would pull ahead. DB isn't even 7% better than EM in terms of time, and my leaning is that DB is going to be more resisted than 7%. Plus, I always feel like adding Epics in is a bit of a cheat since things like Gloom overperform in terms of DPA. I've never taken a Epic attack for Claws because frankly I don't feel like I need one. There is also the burst damage factor as well. A set with more burst damage is going to take out a minion quicker and move on as where something that has lesser burst is going to take that extra attack to finish off the minion. EDIT: This doesn't change the fact that a EM Scrapper is absolutely going to wreck things and be S tier for Scrappers. I only stopped playing my EM/ea Scrapper because I don't like EM, but it is likely the only S tier build I have played that I won't take to 50. EDIT #2: EM is currently leading the poll for the Best/Meta/etc set for a Scrapper. Ice/Fire/DB combined have half the votes of EM.

It does. I can't recall the exact numbers, but add in Epic attacks, and I don't see a reason to use Propel outside of the fact that it looks cool.

To add, Kin's best DPA is in an attack which has a 3.036 Arcana Time and has a 20 second recharge. Claws isn't alone in this, but Kin's AoE really isn't that good either. Compare Shockwave and Repulsing Torrent. Scrapper numbers are 55.29 DPA versus 30.667 DPA. I've done Kin a couple of times, and I delete it every time. Today I did a mission with Tsoo, and I kept looking at them and going, "But it looks so cool." Regen wants sets with quicker animation times and mitigation with at least reasonable DPS. Claws/regen is popular for more than just Wolverine. Kat/regen has also been a strong recommendation.

Old school City of Data and the Calculator app. 🙂

The counterpoint is Kin's animations being on the longer side and the DPA being underwhelming. Let's take PBAoE. Brute numbers: Whirling Smash: Arcana Time: 1.188 sec. DPA: 36.51 // Needs Momentum Spin: Arcana Time: 2.64 sec. DPA: 29.86 // So skipping the Scrapper version. Dragon's Tail: Arcana Time: 1.716 sec. DPA: 28.72 Foot Stomp: Arcana Time: 2.244 sec. DPA: 26.39 // Rage not factored in. Axe Cyclone: Arcana Time: 1.767 sec. DPA: 23.6 Frozen Aura: Arcana Time: 2.244 sec. DPA: 26.47 Mass Levitate: Arcana Time: 2.64 sec. DPA: 22.434 Atom Smasher: Arcana Time: 3.168 sec. DPA: 21.24 Lightning Clap: Arcana Time: 1.452 sec. DPA: 21.199 The Lotus Drops: Arcana Time: 1.98 sec. DPA: 21.06 Rending Flurry: Arcana Time: 2.376 sec. DPA: 20.75 // Base damage no DoT, normal mode version. Fire Sword Circle: Arcana Time: 2.904 sec. DPA: 20.45 // I skipped the DoT because the numbers were already better. Eye of the Storm: Arcana Time: 2.772 sec. DPA: 19.12 Whirling Hands: Arcana Time: 2.64 sec. DPA: 18.71 Burst: Arcana Time: 2.904 sec. DPA: 17.95 Whirling Sword: Arcana Time: 2.904 sec. DPA: 17.23 // Assuming the DoT all hit. Spinning Strike: Arcana Time: 1.98 sec. DPA: 16.22 // Likely lower due to combo system, technically a targeted AoE Whirling Mace: Arcana Time: 2.904 sec. DPA: 16.08 Tremor: Arcana Time: 2.772 sec. DPA: 15.64 Spine Burst: Arcana Time: 3.168 sec. DPA: 14.48 // I technically did only 2 of the 3 DoT even though odds are that's on the low side. Typhoon's Edge: Arcana Time: 2.508 sec. DPA: 9.48 // Numbers are likely low due to being the finishing move in a combo. Also, /regen doesn't want to be caught in long animations.

Attuned IOs or purples only, and to be fair, most builds never see a purple in them. I tend to build for Def/mitigation, End management, and Recharge. Everything else tends fall into place.

Did I quote you saying that? Did you see someone else said it?

At that point I would just rather log on my Blasters. And saying Hurricane sucks on teams but Gale is useful due to KB has to be one of the more mind-numbing statements.

As long as as the slotting on Fire Melee is tied to a Resist set, it should translate well for combining it with any slotting from a Fiery Armor set. For me I looked at builds and took notes about slotting and slowly worked towards making my own builds. Even now I take multiple looks at builds before I finalize one.

I default to taking Fighting and Leadership on any character I make. More so for Kin as they want Tactics. Kin is terrible at getting set bonuses so it will be harder to build top tier mitigation numbers on it, but Hover/CJ, Maneuvers, finding spots for the two Resist IO: +3% Def , Weave, and Scorpion Shield can at least get you some baseline Def. Def > Res and more so on a Defender. You don't want to get mezzed. I have two mid/lower level BR characters so that's partly way I skipped talking about it. In terms of BR, it has one cone, so it isn't that terrible on a Kin. You can be in the middle of melee, and jump up to then use a cone attack.

Hurricane has a -30% -ToHit Debuff unslotted. Dark, known for -ToHit Debuffs, tops out at 15% for a single power. Poison has two powers which combined sit at 25%. If you wish to run around like a bull in the China shop, then by all means, your complaints are valid. If one is to actually understand the power and know that debuff lasts for 10 seconds one can go around 'painting' mobs and spreading the debuff around. One can also move mobs into places such as corners so the rest of the team can AoE them to death in relative safety due to that debuff being tied for 2nd best for a Corr and them being repelled into a corner. Hell, a warehouse mission is a damn near Storm user's wet dream. In a cave mission you can literally block off the pathway from melee based mobs reaching your range based teammates. So again, if you don't want to think about how to play a Storm support set and just want to use it for it's other tools by all means do so. That still doesn't mean it isn't an incredibly valuable tool.

Sure, on someone who doesn't know what they are doing. I highly recommend going out and trying out Hurricane and see how much you like it or not. It offers a huge -ToHit Debuff, but it is a rare power in that you actually has to think about how to use it.

@Snarkyswears by this idea, and I believe he's done work looking at combat stats to prove it.

As someone who ODed on Kin on Live, I have zero clue how Kin allows you stay at range. Transfusion. You have one of two options and the set bonuses are so similar to not really matter. Touch of the Nitcus likely wins out do to the damage proc and added Acc bonus. Siphon Power: 1-2 Acc. Repel. Assuming you are part of the .01% of people who even take it, some End Reduc and a KB to KD. Honestly, I can't be made to care due to how terrible the power is, and essentially goes against what Kin does. Siphon Speed. Slow Sets. Focus on Acc and Recharge. Toss in the two damage procs. ID. Gladiator's Armor: +3% Def and Steadfast Protection: +3% Def. You could likely toss in the KB Protection one as well. Speed Boost. However much End Mod you want from this. Preemptive Optimization feels like the best one as the 6-slot bonus is nice. IR: Another only if you take it. Add in some travel sets to your liking. You can get Slow Resist and more KB Protection. Transference: See SB, but you need Acc as well. Fulcrum Shift: 2 Acc and some Recharge. In terms of Epics, Dark doesn't offer much for a Kin. The big draw here is Soul Drain and Dark Consumption, but you have FS and Transference. I would look at Mace due to Scorpion Shield offering Def to S/L/E or Psychic due to a hold, Mass Hyp(Mass Hyp + FS = joy), and some Resist to Psy.

So you are trying to find out how well balanced armor sets are while skipping on taking two of the powers and powers are dealing with limited slotting. I don't think there's going to be much useful info coming from this.