Vinceq98

My lists depends a lot on the secondaries but in terms of just pure dmg I'd rank Mercs as SS tier Robots/Necro S tier Thugs/Ninja A tier Beasts/Demons B tier Because of procs I find Mercs to just melts spawns. Necro would pull ahead but I have an issue with the gravel nights loving to spam their dark blasts more than running up and hacking away with their swords. If I want to try hard with macros then Necro is top tier. Mercs being all range makes them not waste any time shooting and shooting

have you actually played it?? i mean a poster just made a 1 min clip of x8 spawn and i dont see alot of OMGWTFBBQ repel that you are crying about. The set looks really cool and imaginative. Why dont you record actual gameplay of situations where the repel becomes apparent and show the rest of us how bad it is.

So to answer this topic for CURRENT MM players. Select Thugs = PROFiT! . there is your AOE monster. WE can revisit this if or WHEN the MM primaries will get a balance patch by the homecoming team.

This man masterminds!! Ive played MMs since retail COV and ive made both bots and thugs MMs with varying secondaries. Thugs really does outshine bots in almost all scenarios. The AOE from Bots is from the assualt bots one power where as the AOE from thugs comes from arsonists one power and the enforcers 2 AOE cones. Thugs also procs out way better than BOTS. Bots can only make use of the explosive strike proc one 1 of their few knocback attacks. And lets face it knocback + burn patch = 0 damage. I mean this game gives us the ability to analyze our damage with combat logs and the power analyzer, if you actually dissect your damage and procs youll see that Thugs comes out leagues ahead of the other primaries and thats without gangwar too. Take power analyzer for a spin and test out how much that procced out caltrops or procced out acid mortar is really doing for you (FYI its not lol).

Could you elaborate please and tell us dumbos a TLDR perhaps? I really enjoy masterminds. No other game comes close to the gameplay that MMs can offer, however I do prefer to min max as much as I can and I know certain specs are bottom of the barrel. I already have a Thugs and Demons what would next to them in terms of DPS. I had a Ninja back on live but they performed poorly due to dying so many times. Would Ninjas be great DPS if kept alive?>?? How about Necro or Mercs with PROCS???

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Sounds like your below 50 or your just playing with SOs. Once you can dump money into a /bio build with all the uniques x5 purple sets including the 2 superior ATO sets /bio is widely considered OP. But then again what do you expect you paid for that OPness after all. My bio stalker has softcapped defenses to ALL ecexpt psi. Psi is only at 25 and frankly I just murder the psi mobs first and if they do damage me I'll just insta heal it all up. Bio has insane regen and recovery along with those defenses I can sit in offensive stance all day and just wreck mobs. The only click I ever use is ablative carapce every 25 secs for the fatty 1100 HP absorb shield that lasts 30 secs and brings along a HUGe regen buff that lasts the same time. Bio is your set it and forget it secondary. You just go about murdering everything and then when you look and see you took damage you realize oh yeah I can press one of my 3 clickies to either insta refill my hp or end or give myself massive absorb and regen.

Nope just tested it and carrion creepers still fire the DAMAGE procs on each attack. I get multiple damage procs firing over the course of the fight just from the creepers attacking. I have 3 damage procs on it is still working as inteded. Carrion creepers is designed to be frankenslotted for acc/dmg/recharge and damage procs.

I can't verify but to me it feels much better after the change. Granted the last time I played my purple IOEd and pvp IOed perma hasten plant dominator was back in 2011 but when I recreated her as a controller my spawn clearing time feels really good. What slows me down is when my carrion creepers doesn't move as fast as I do from spawn to spawn. But usually with +4x8 mobs my rotation of Seeds -> Freezing rain > roots > tornado half the spawn is dead from the dmg of my carrion creepers and after the initial confuse alpha they hit each other with. I then mop up the lietenants and stragglers with single Target dmg containment attacks and or a lightning storm. My seeds should be almost off cool down by then and I start making my way to the next pack.

The best pools are EARTH/ICE/MACE. Each have defensive toggles for smash and lethal with some cold or energy depending on the pool. If you want your controller to be the prettiest I suggest MACE as you can customize the shield effect to different colors and it provides smashing lethal and energy defense which are all very common. I feel plant doesn't need another aoe as our roots does x2 dmg from other controller sets and you should be getting your aoe dmg from procs. Proced out carrion creepers are a beast and so are proced out lightnight storm. But if I could minimize or hide the ugly ice armor I would choose ICE in a heart beat. Ice storm does ALOT of dmg and with enough recharge it's up every OTHER pull.