WindDemon21

My builds are granting pretty much a full well done build, I know how to build, but you shouldn't have to build to the max for a power to be balanced anyway. Even with that, again compared to other sets, the power should be MUCH better for endurance like similar sets and powers are like power sink, energy drain, energy absorption, etc. Regarding "make end last for one minute" etc, the point is, that this power SHOULD help more than that like similar powers in other sets do, it's offset for (even with the small buffs to the set, which are a wash considering the MAJOR nerf that burn took) for the still much lower end survival that the set gets compared to other sets. Hence, that, the burn nerf, the small max hp buff etc, all evened each other out, and consume still majorly needed a fix to be better, and this is still the case. There is simply zero reason that it should still have a 180s base recharge given itself or the set as a whole, and should be lowered.

Extremely not. My builds with FF procs always have it a little under 60 seconds, but that's still a FAR cry from what the power should be as I've explained many times above. The power is just not balanced right as an end gain power. (which is the primary function, again if i hear anything about the max hp I'll blow a gasket as that can/should just as easily be in temp protection or whatever) It also means it's pretty much completely useless for end against an av or such unlike the other similar powers were are up often enough to matter as they are on 60s recharges. Again, straight 60s rech, would work, but if 90-120s with the recovery extended/more frontloaded as well that works too, but the power as is is definitely needs a boost.

Lol no, not self interest. Balance compared to other similar powers/armor sets. Edit: well self interest to the effect of it's really annoying and subpar and exhausting to deal with ruining the fun of playing the set so would like to see it fixed for mine and many other people's enjoyment, not as in "it only benefits me and it'll make the set OP otherwise" by ANY means.

This line of thinking is the right way to look at the power, but it is still not addressing one BIG factor, which is how sub-par the power is for endurance as is already and is in a desperate need of a buff via dropping the base recharge down to a proper value, or proper variations, (in addition to your suggestion) A big problem with the recharge as well, is that it doesn't always account to let you use it when there is a big enough mob versus when you need that end gain as well. Which is why the suggestion of frontloading the endurance on the first target so you don't NEED a big mob every time for the power to help you out enough (especially looking at AV fights too its use becomes almost nothing). given if the duration is 45s though, I'd suggest a 90s recharge. Or If it wasn't 60 seconds for the recharge nixing the recovery, then 120 at least would be decent enough, if we did bump up per your suggestion and extend the recovery to 60 seconds as opposed to 45. That's kind of an in between of my original suggestion and yours, and I think it would help the power enough at least. We're just talking between either reducing to suck endurance more often, or less often but a more improved lasting recovery buff. Both are good, but at least one version of that is still desperately needed for the power. However back to the non-big mob factor, think it would still benefit more (especially if not 60s rech) to have the first target provide a bigger buff, for more rounded types of fights and getting less screwed if you don't get a good mob on the cast, something similar to the 25 end 25% recovery on first target would be fair given if we're focusing more on the recovery aspect with the 90-120s recharge. Personally thinking about it, I'd probably prefer the 90s recharge with the 45s duration simply to have it line up better with mob-mob, and still recharge sooner than 120 so if you don't get a great cast on it, you can redo it by the next mob, these powers are meant to HELP the set with endurance, especially a still pretty squishy armor set, they shouldn't be that situational, they're not aoe holds, and no other end power on an armor set deals with such terrible "situational" stats, the end from the power is bad, it needs a fix)

Problem with responding via phone is sometimes it grabs/moves words. Something was missing there between the first and 2nd paragraph when i copied the text. What I was trying to say is the recovery, with it's current recharge/duration is so pointless it may as well not be there, in relation to actually fixing the power to be more useful for end altogether. Having SUCH a long recharge on a power like this is horrible alone, but for the not only small amount of recovery per target, last for such a short amount of time compared to the recharge of the power, is really just a slap in the face. That second part about about not factoring, was relating to the max hp buff, which as mentioned has values closer to other auto powers, and it could, honesty more so should have just as easily been placed into temperature protection with the regen (and let both be enhanceable). Now I don't mind it being IN consume, but only given that consume itself is fixed for it's end gaining properties regardless. Just because the max hp was placed there, doesn't mean it has to be there at the expense of the power itself. End result, while it may not bother you how long the recharge is, it's still not right for the set, and especially compared to others, ice, energy, bio, rad, elec, nin, it's a HUGGGGEEE disproportionate recharge for what it should be for the power to help the set out that it needs, and it REALLY does need the recharge reduced down to 60s as is, even if (and its fine if so) the recovery was removed as it's total over the course of the power is pretty much pointless as is anyway.

FYI, in any of these, i'm not considering the recovery boost, tbh, that could easily just disappear completely, cause it's almost completely worthless in the current form anyway. And I'm not sayign forget it as in get rid of it, i'm saying forget it as in it could or should just as easily be in another power, and that should not be factoring into the main point of consume which is to provide the set with endurance. Again, it only has the max hp casue the devs randomly stuck it in there. It could easily be in temp protection as well, it wasn't in the power before either, and the power still was terrible. As to the end drain resistance, as mentioned other sets have that in their kit as well, it's just not in their end gain power, but several also have other benefits to their end gain power such as providing defense, so that resistance in consume is fine, allowing the value to be higher cause it's tied to that and not in an auto or toggle for example, that would be more than fair for the power. This would be the trade-off, but would be worth it because it would mean actually more useful endurance on the set versus current form, but that thinking is still antiquated, as the recharge in current form versus it's duration yes is still way too long what the power should be. A 60s/60s would still be more than fair enough for the power given the set as a whole. Again, if it's easier for you to understand, then move that max hp to temp protection, but the power is NOT fine as is with that 3 minute base recharge. Edit, you keep using the word stack (even if followed by to renew itself, it then isn't stacking, it's renewing). Quit using that, because the power does not stack, the buff replaces itself.

They really aren't, that's the point you're missing. 3 minutes is TOOO situational for what the set needs hands down. Situational is an aoe hold, an end heavy set that needs help with endurance 3 minutes base is TOO situational. It just doesn't work properly. And again, forget the max hp, that's only in there cause the devs stuck it there, it could just as easily have been placed into temp protection. We're talking about the base function of consume that is needed which is to provide endurance. (and again, drain resist could be elsewhere too, but since other sets also provide +defense for example, having it here with a larger value still makes enough sense). Fyi, most fights, 60s still usually means once per mob later game, and earlier there are less bonuses/rech that it may be every other mob still. And never said consume should be an attack, it's not, never was. That tiny damage mostly is there for extra set bonuses, and procs at either recharge if you want, but the power itself is not a damage power. DC SHOULD be more of a damage power that also helps with end, it doens't need to be "full end every time" as long as it's values help out enough for the set and do what it should do. Again, we can go on that later, but consume 100% should have it's recharge reduced to the 60s to match others. Again, consume back to the buff, thinking the duration has to be reduced to be the exact same rech vs duration ratio, it doesn't, and 60s would be perfectly fine, but honestly 40 would still even work way better than it does now at 3 minutes which is utter crap for its main effect for endurance. Again, move the max hp to temp protection instead if it makes it easier for you to understand how the buff/stats/powers work in comparison to other sets. (ie, there is zero reason the max hp couldn't be in temp protection instead, so stop looking at that, it's going away from the actual issue here). Edit: While you also brought it up for comparison, dp isn't a proper comparison with consume having lower values. It would be closer to an auto hp power, but also while bringing it up. dull pain really also doesn't seem right with that recharge vs duration either, stone armors stats match much better by far for that type of power.

It REALLY doesn't have to. You realize you're using a wrong notion of "changing this means a nerf", which would be true of powers/sets that are properly adjusted already. The ENTIRE point of this, is that the power simply is not where it should be. As mentioned before, the max hp could just as easily be in there with temperature protection instead of in consume. It's not dull pain levels of max HP remember as well. Eve n then, then sure, reduce the duration, down to 60s as well. At 60s recharge, that still wouldn't be an issue. And you don't see it, which is the problem. You may see it as fine as is (which great for you, but doesn't mean it's ok) but many people don't see it that way, and it's definitely not proper at a 3 minute recharge, nor given the context of the set would it OP given the 60s recharge as well that several other armor sets have for their aoe end gain abilities. Dark consumption, is different granted, where it should still have the recharge reduced, even if less end gained back or the swap to how its granted and values. It's too situational, as is consume for endurance at it's current recharge, and just leads to really funky, unfun, and sub-par timing of usage for it. Really, move the max hp into temp protection, move the drain resistance to that too or one of the armors, and then it's the same as any other armor set that also gets a 60 second aoe end power, and drain resistance in another power. You're focusing too much on "one power" which has mutliple attributes, but not great at any of them, where other sets do all of this in necessary powers, and still get that 60s end gain power (which most also get a defense bonus as well). 3 minutes has NEVER better justified on these two powers, and is still an old value from o-devs that was terribly statted. You have simply gotten used to it, but it is by no means the value that these powers should have.

I think, well, and have, just completely build around not getting dark consumption and dealing with it, while it should still also at least have it's recharge reduced, consume definitely should. As a hot button i'd rather see that fixed first cause there are a lot of fire armor combos to try out, but the end is just too poor with current rech on consume. Bumping that down to 60s like the other armor end gain powers are would really be just fine for it, but really would be key to helping the set which is still generally one of the worst armor sets even after the buffs. Having consume be actually accountable to helping endurance with that lower recharge would really clinch the set to where it should be, and wish it would happen fast. Have a few new concepts I really want to do but the recharge on consume just really irks me away from it. Edit, or what might also be fitting, remove the pointless recovery, and just give the power a standard end reduction buff that lasts the same duration as the max hp. Something to more consistently help out the power/set on endurance.

You definitely still want icicles WAY earlier. Put permafrost off, it doesn't do much in comparison, and those slots are just procs they can go In tough or I think even frozen armor if you're worried about those uniques sooner. Also it's hard to see where your stats are at but I'd imagine you still need more defense especially versus the defense debuff types (lethal/energy) So would split up sweep and mass lev, putting 3 eradications in them and then two OFs for the 12% regen each. The winters do have lots of defense stats, and also a big hole for fire resists since ice armor has basically zero defense against fire now after the stupid defense and EA nerf. I would also move the set in GPB to psi blade, and then in GPB do 4 kinetic combats for 3.75% s/l defense, you can boost the 35 ones and since GPB has bonus accuracy it's still decent even though KC has terrible acc stats, and then get the entomb proc which is an absorb proc in that power. Then you'll have two absorb procs firing off. You can even move a slot to it and slot an acc/hold/end entomb for 6% more fire resist and better stats on the power too. But as mentioned too, this is a really good spot for at least the blistering cold set which gives 5% smash/Lethal defense, AND a hold proc which will almost always stack to hold a boss even right away. (Skipping the acc/dam/rech) and then that entombed absorb proc in the 6th slot. Likewise on Ice Blast, much better value with the purple set in it though I'm sure you chose decimation in a frugal choice, purples aren't terribly hard to come by though so it's worth it. (If one of those is the bu proc you'll almost never see it in that power, but you'll see the purple proc quite a bit) I also wouldn't bother slotting chilling embrace, it's really not needed and those slots serve you better elsewhere like in the psi blade/gpb swap listed above. Generally you'll almost, or should never be using hibernate. And you'll definitely want concentration earlier to help your aoe output, so swap those to get concentration earlier. Also, move that UG Max hp proc to tough, there is no reason not to get that 1.56% free extra s/l defense by doing that.

REALLY wish they'd make the damage on mass levitate hit on the initial knockup, not when they fall, and it easily is a power that should have a larger 15ft radius or tbh heck even 20. :/, and fix energy absorption after they nerfed it for no reason :/. At least tanks can somewhat bypass that with their higher stats, but between the EA nerf and the stupid defense nerf, the set has almost zero defense against fire/cold, just mostly cold resistance. Really dumb, sets that were DESIGNED with smash/lethal defense working on *most* of those exotic types, never got the defense for them in their normal shields, ice and stone armor got especially hit hard on those. Psy melee at least on the other hand is extra good on tankers since it's lower on aoe, but the tank boost helps it, and it's single target is good. That said, EA is also important for your endurance, more so now that you get almost nothing by stacking it, that was the completely unjustified nerf. So you really only get the initial defense from the power off the first target which is only 5%, and the additional is really minor, i think .25% per target. Before, it was still a little more on the first target IIRC i think 2.5%, and then it was 1% for each target hit, and all of it stacked before. That's a HUGE nerf, especially since that is/was your only form of fire/cold defense. Could usually 3 stack, but most often would have 2 stacks up on it for a total tank value of like 30%, and up to 45% if you pushed to 3 stack it and always had a full mob. Now you can only get at most with 3 full mobs about 19.375% defense, before, you could get That said, you'll still definitely want to get more standard defense in the build, for debuffs too, whereas before, EA could push enough defense that the DDR the set had did enough to keep you topped off. Between EA, and your defense toggles and rest of the build, regen is also very important with ice armor, which is all defense, max hp, and some slow/-damage. So regen pushes your build really far. In that regard, I always do at least 2 lotg on the toggle,s defense/end and defense/7.5% global, good stats, 10% regen, and that recharge global. I usually do 3 though, toss in the defense there. While you don't need the max hp with dull pain/hoarfrost, it does help to let you not need to use it as much, and save it for the heal. Good job making sure to FF proc TKB and mass lev, esp mass lev, that's super important to help make up for the lower aoe, but on that note, even the best aoe melee, will still want icicles ASAP. Any damage aura is not only really good aoe damage over time, but is also really important to help double check aggro. Obviously less needed on ice with CE, but it's still really good damage and always make sure to get asap. Sadly, stalagmites is also TERRIBLE for either damage or crowd control, the damage is lower than most aoes, and the stun, is only a 10% chance and doesn't last long. It's recharge is also 64 seconds, which is twice as long as any other regular epic aoe, it also only hits 10 targets, opposed to regular aoes that hit 16. Outside of theme, there is really no reason to ever get it on any build. The only use slotwise you'll get out of it is damage procs, but any other epic aoe will generally get you more damage by being worth slotting, and recharging faster (procs work on them too). The only proc worth using compared to another attack, is the achilles heel -resist proc. On tanks especially, you can get permafrost, but it's also not a must have asap power. Definitely the main spot to swap icicles earlier into the build, and you'll want to maximize the resist and absorb procs from the ATOs, psi blade to make a fluid chain really needs maxed recharge, so an ato set is good there, it's not going to proc the resist proc well there, but hopefully should enough to keep it stacked up. However toggles are a terrible place for those especially because they'll never fire off against a single target where you end up needing them more like against AVs. Since the resist proc set also has the extra resists with the 6th bonus, in this case fire resist, you'll want that since the double nerf to ice armor via EA and the standard defense typing nerf which means the set gets almost zero "fire" defense now. So I'd put the gauntleted fist set into psi blade, and then 5 of the might of the tanker (minus the dam/rech) into telekinetic blow. Then in Greater Psi Blade, two-fold, One, you'll want that big 5% smash/lethal defense bonus from the winter set, so put 5 in there minus the acc/dam/rech, and then in the 6th slot, a niche to hold attacks, put in the entomb absorb proc, which basically turns the power also into a quasi-"heal". But a case could still be made to just 6 slot the set for the 5% fire/cold defense too. Then between sweep and mass lev, since you need the 6th slot on mass for the FF proc, I do 3 eradication, and 2 purples I think acc/dam/rech, acc/dam/end/rech, and energy proc from erad, (3.13% e/n defense bonus and proc) and the boosted dam/end, and fire proc from the purple set to max that power out, then on sweep I'd put a full set of Avalanche for the stats and the tasty 5% s/l/f/c defense bonuses (and kd proc). The main 2 armors and weave, just do 3 LOTG def/end, def, def/7.5%, then in Energy absorption, do 2 lotg def/end/rech, def/7.5%, two pvp's boosted def/end/rech, and 5% resist proc, and then 2 power transfers, end mod, and heal proc. That slotting will get you 56% regen (plus heal proc would value around 75% regen or more on big mobs), max defense for the most part, some end/rech stats, and some end mod on it to keep you topped off. If keeping earth epic for theme, honesty the most focused power in it i go for is quicksand (just god PLEASE let them lower its cast time to 1s already ugh, I'd just slot a boosted 50 slow in it, in salt crystals, it's worth that 4th slot for that extra 1.88% s/l defense, and then also put in that call of the sandman heal proc, Since ice armor is low on heals/regen, that equates to easily using the power twice a minute, which is 30% hp, which equates to about 120% regen as well which is pretty decent, though given the recharge on the power, while that's nice, i know slots might be tight, and it doesn't help you against a small number of targets either, so this proc is skippable if slots are that tight. Likewise, on armors that are very low on heals/regen like ice armor, non-negotiable, I always slot health with at least 4 slots, panacea heal and proc, and numina heal and proc, and stamina is always power transfer end mod and heal proc, and pshifter proc. That slotting alone equates to like 175% regen, and a good amount of recovery, and you could add the regen tissue unique too for 25% more regen, and add the impervious skin unique for another 25% regen. You can save a slot by not needing the slow resist unique, ice armor if anything at least has a lot of slow resistance more than any other set. You're also going to absolutey want hasten much earlier in the build. Especially pre-mass lev when psi blade sweep is your only aoe, but also for when you get mass lev to spam it more. Honestly build up is nice, but tanks can much more easily get away with putting it off until later, and since you don't really use boxing at all, put that off as late as possible and get the more important power first, so put hasten at 12, cj at 14, and boxing at 20.

Don't get me wrong the set needed some buffs, but especially with the burn nerf for the main factor of helping end though, consume is still superiorly sub par for what the set needs, and especially compared to it's other aoe end gain counterparts in the other armors and could still use the help to have it help the sets endurance better.

Which would be more in line then with the suggestion to simply lower the recharge to even the 120s (180 is still just way too long). The 120 would at least for one line it up with soul drain, but would let it be up every other mob or so as opposed to every 3 mobs. Still not the greatest power, but at least at that rate it would do its job enough. Consume/Dc, in every combo I've played, from low levels, and many 50+s, in each playstyle, is just awkwardly far too long, and always end up with an awkward kinda waiting to use it to make it actually help enough and just really makes the set not fun or effective.

This is actually flat out wrong unless you meant something else as well. As there is NO benefit to the power currently when you hit more than 5 targets as you already max out on your endurance. In the opposite thought that I think you were thinking, with the change suggested, the more end on the first target means you DON'T need a full spawn to get most of the benefit out of the power. Now if those were the values at a 120s recharge even, then yeah that would definitely be a nerf, but at the 40-60s recharge then no, it would be a buff in all scenarios whether it's versus 1 target, 5, or 10. It would just mean that you'd have to use it more times, but there would definitely be more endurance gained over that fight.

Actually, I'm fixating on the OPPOSITE. Getting more of it on the first target, so it's better balances when there AREN'T full mobs. Again the values were a suggested Idea, but they were also at 40 or 60 seconds so you can get that gain how many more times than the current model. There is some clear math you don't seem to be getting here relating to the end/minute gained by the suggested change. If a number is off, it can be tweaked, point being to find that magic number. 150 is still too long, with nothing else changing I'd easily propse it at least be 120s and line it up with soul drain (and still bump the radius, again, bare minimum to 10ft, which honestly all melee aoes should be brought back to that, definitley a main reason i end up not playing any of my non-tank melees especially on teams.) Again on consume, relating to the set as a whole and the other armors end gain powers, it would absolutely be in line with a 60s recharge. But I'd still say bare mininum as well with the 120s recharge, and for consume have its recovery buff duration increased to at least 30 seconds. The recovery buff is also so minimal 5 lousy % per target, having more on the first target would still make more sense for the power as well. Edit, also those original values suggested, were also in an attempt to not OP the power, but giving it more use as an actual attack as well. If you think the issue (which it's not) is that it's not giving enough end, then you'd be stating that the end gain should be more is all.

Which that thought would even more say how it's not needed, but then should be considered where it would be more beneficial for those that actually want to use it to help the set ie pre-50 for example. The 3 minutes is just way too long to actually really help the set. Compared to other armors, fire is still one of the weakest armor sets even after the recent changes. This scews a bit on tanks obviously cause they can actually make the resists matter more. And that's fine, as it works more on damage too, but that's also where consume should play a bigger role to help the endurance on the set. The set should be *workable* but then offer the other benefits, but especially since that HUGE burn nerf, the set still just feels lacking. Having consume actually be more reliable for end help would honestly put the set at about exactly where it should be (and certainly wouldn't OP the set by any means either).

There is a big difference between "easier" and "this power should definitely not have a 3 minute base recharge and is far too situational. This I get, though it's another thing when talking to random people and global channels with whom you've never interacted with before. This is where I wish there was a polling system available that could actually grab the whole playerbase's response (or at least those in game versus the forums only). Regardless, when talking improvements factors are considered. As it stands i'll never take DC as it's far too situational at that recharge for what it does (ie it's severely underpowered), let alone having to warrant slots to it, so i've always had to build around it. Consume on the other hand, I'd say easily more so definitely should have the recharge reduced to be more available. Again, look at power sink, energy drain, energy absorption. All are on 60s recharges and not overpowered, most also come with bonuses via buffing defense etc, all sets also which already have end drain resistance in their armors, or flat out high cappable defense to avoid end drains in the first place. Consume having that there and the not DP levels of max HP is far from an outlier in this category, and should have the same benefit of the 60s recharge as well. The damage it does, has always been too meager to consider for anything tbh outside of simply allowing more IO set options/procs. If we delve to that, I think a middle ground would be like 120s, and bump up the recovery duration to at least 30 seconds. (Again with more on 1st target for AV battle use, even like DC, the whole 25 end per target up to 10, vastly wastes the benefit of more than 4 or 5 targets being hit, esp if you slot for end mod, even if that were still kept for full end on midsized mobs that use would help those powers out as well.) I think one of the other servers actually did this already with bumping up the recovery duration and shortening the recharge.

Even as an end gain power though, and even with the damage it has, it's still WAY too long of a recharge on the power though. with nothing else changing, it still needs a recharge reduction flat out, same with consume. Regarding consume, some of you are trying to factor the power, but how the set. It was one of the places they decided to add that, but especially since temp protection has that regen, it could just as easily, and even more-so, make sense that they would have put the max hp into temperature protection instead. The powers main use has always been to help with endurance, and even with the hp buff, at 3 minutes that's still way too long for the power to do what it needs to do to help the set out. Regarding DC again, with nothing else changing it still needs that recharge reduction, even 2 minutes would be fair and line it up with soul drain at least, but 3 is terribly too long. If it's intention is mainly for the end gain, then it still should have that recharge reduced, I wouldn't honestly even care as much with the damage going down, if the power itself was actually more usable since most proc it for damage anyway cause it's damage is so sub-par for that recharge. If that's whats needed to get its recharge down, i'd take that any day of the week, but as it stands the power doesn't need that reduced as with its current stats the recharge is still just vastly too long. Not wanting it as a spam power, ok, that's one thing, (which 60s base isn't quite spamming, it's usually one use per mob, and if the mob lasts long, as the numbers dwindle too you still debate using it, or saving it for the next mob anyway). But even as a "when you need it" power, 3 minutes again is too long. Maybe some of you (not in game, i know far too many people in game who agree so really annoying it's always the same few people on here crying out against anything to help a power or set), prefer it as the longer power, ok, the stance would be maybe to the 90-120s recharge then, but defintiely not 3 minutes, it's quite absurd. Maybe if it did more than just a minor damage, one shot end gain, ie like a recovery buff that lasts more than 15 seconds (seriously consume WTH??), but as it stands now, that 3 minutes definitely needs reduced.

At 60s you still could, it would still have max proc chances if you don't slot any recharge on it.

You're also not factoring, that you don't use DC every time it's up the second it's up, as you will wait till your end is all the way down to get the most out of it, and also waiting till the right mob size as well for the same reason. Adjusting it to a shorter recharge with more end on the first target, means you'll get more endurance more consistently, because you'll actually USE the power more often due to how it works as well. (edit: cause you won't be worrying about trying to maximize it each and every time as the additional end per target isn't as much) Also regarding the power, even with the new proposed stats, it's also really dumb having it at an 8ft radius, at even 40 or 60s (esp at 180) it should have a 15ft radius easily. FYI, even without this changing (ie may not have a full mob in that radius) the new version still ends up as more endurance over time.

Same thin The end gain was the balancing. It's not hurting the end gain overall, it's actually improving it in all scenarios over time, even down to 1 target (i know you didn't see my last post before this one, refer to that) Honestly, if it's easier, keep the damage the same. Regardless the main thing is the power needs to be more usable, more often, and in more situations, rather than the terrible stats it has now. This definitely WILL NOT handicap anything, as given the shorter recharge, you can use the power more often. If you look at the last post I made, it's a net gain in endurance in all scenarios.

IE: Current DC: 180s rech/25 end gain per target, x10 targets, would be at a simple 60s recharge for 8.33 end/target times 10 targets is 83.33 end total. Now one of the big things is the use on a full mob versus when the mob dies down and you still need that end. Current version is HORRIBLE at this, especially a million times over how terribly stupid that 3 minute base recharge is, meaning that it's also almost dumb it even does damage, cause it can't much be used well at all for that, and as an end power, its also too long of a recharge for what it does that i've ever been able to justify getting it for either, or both combined. Now I'd actually still vote around 40 seconds similar to the use of savage leap as a damage power with end as the benefit, again, moving the main portion of end to the first target, this still lets it be more useable than it's current version in all scenarios whether versus 1, 4, or 10 targets as the damage it does would actually be useful to use constantly as an attack as well instead of trying to wait for the perfect moment when you need it. So let's go with that, the 83.33 at 60 seconds, to 40 seconds so 2/3 is about 55 end, so that's = 30 end on first target, and 2.5 per target for the low end gain stat x10 would be 55 end per cast on a full mob. So at face value, it's roughly unslotted full end in 80 seconds on a full mob, vs the 180s unslotted with the current version. IE yes, improved because it is currently TERRIBLE. Now to go the other scenario, where this current version is higher on all targets, which gets you to full in we'll say 5 targets given accolades, bonuses, superior conditioning etc. At 5 targets, that's still full end, and the new version would be 30 + 12.5 = 42.5, so roughly 100s equivalent versus the current 180s version, so not quite as good as versus a full mob, but still better than it's current version over time. And ultimately down to 1 target, like vs an AV, that's 30 end, versus current version's 25 end, and on a much shorter more useful timer, meaning the power actually matters for these fights as an end helper, and it's more useful all around having it up faster as an attack as well. A net gain all around, which is exactly what this power desperately needs. That said, yes it should still be calculated as more of an attack with an end bonus beyond these suggested stats. while the set could use it (depending if they increase the radius on tof at least), It would still be a pretty big help on end that other sets don't offer. If you can't build with that helping you out, then you really don't have any hope lol, but as it stands, the power is just TOO terrible at that 3 minute recharge to ever factor it in to any build i've ever made, let alone even trying to devote slots to it and getting a terrible return.

Yes I know, the statement was with that all factored in, the recovery portion was pointed out more of like, why is that even bothered if it's not really useful for such a short duration, hence where more of the focus lies on fixing the powers base recharge to the more appropriate 60s recharge. (fyi, other sets that have these end gain powers still have end drain resistnace (or can cap defense so you don't get hit by them in the first place), just not in the same power so the bonus of the end drain resistance in THIS power alone, is fairly moot, hence again the focus on fixing the power itself via the 60s.

At which it's still WAY too terrible with that 3 minute recharge. That's nuke territory, not just an end gain power. And you're missing what I said, those values estimates btw, would be if given its current .52 end cost. As an attack with lesser end gain, that balances out for its recharge time/end gain. In this scenario, that's also given that more of the end is on the first target (the 2 end is kinda more just to let it still do something on additional). If those numbers don't jive with you, then please suggest something that works for the power, but 3 minutes is ABSURD for this power for it's recharge, and there is simply nothing you could say that would justify this. The devs even agree, but only left it as is currently due to not wanting to waste more time on the power amid conflicting thread posts about it so they could roll out that issue when they did. We're talking fixing the power, numbers can be calculated, but as it stands the power is TERRIBLE with its damage, recharge time, aoe/target cap etc. And needs fixed. If you can't see that and see that there is a way to fix it and make it work, then you really shouldn't be posting here. Also, back on the penalizing, if the powers end cost WAS going to go up, then the gain portion would be higher respectively with this in mind (say 30 end on first target 2.5 additional, etc, again we can figure these numbers out, but these values are fair without OPing the power, idea is to get the power to be usable more often, 3 minute base rech is just too terrible for what it does). The amounts i gave as the suggestion were if the power retained it's .52 end cost. The value as well, you have to factor that you could use the power a lot more often as well, and as i mentioned, the numbers could be adjusted to match the rech/end per second etc to make the power appropriate. Edit: just have to reiterate based on your comment. That the point is ABSOLUTELY not to hinder the power, and is 100% to improve it. We could even just reduce the recharge to 60s and adjust the equal value end with more on the first target and be done with it given how absolutely TERRIBLE and unbalanced on the low end that recharge is for the power. The point being, that adjusting it as a "larger damage aoe/end gain power" not being huge on both, but being in a good spot, is where the power should be. As it stands again, if nothing else changed, the powers recharge should be 60 seconds cause 180s is just WAYYYY too long for what it does. Fixing all the stats concurrently, would still have the power offering much more endurance than other sets provide. If having the power IMPROVED ruins your character, then not only does that not make sense, but you severely did not build your character properly.

I'm honestly flabbergasted consume at least wasn't fixed in the last round of fire armor changes, especially to the super huge burn nerf even with some off the other additions. But consume never should have been on a 3 minute timer, it's quite absurd especially given that the recovery only lasts 15 seconds, and every other armor sets similar power is on a 60s timer. Same with DC which the devs kinda overcomplicated trying to fix it with the set. Consume should be on the 60s base recharge (most of the others also grant decent defense as a bonus, so it having the end drain resistance/max hp still keeps it in line with those at that recharge). This would go the same on blaster secondaries too, and double the rech on epics (6 minute rech for this power is just extra omg dumb) Dark consumption is similar, but since it's focus should be more on having it as an attack, the recharge should be lowered down to maybe 40 seconds. It should also have the -to hit that other dark melee/blast powers have. Then given the lower recharge, (but way more than a regular aoe attack), double it's damage, move more of the end gain on the first target, and adjust the end gain per target accordingly for this and it's new lower recharge. Something like 20 end for the first target, and 2 per additional target would make sense (it's currently 25 end per target flat which is already kind of weird like other aoe end powers on the armors since you can't really get more than like 115% end with accolades and bonuses so what's the point of that value past the first 4ish targets) And on the subject, TOF and spinning strike if not changed to it's proper pbaoe instead of taoe, NEED their radii increased by at least one more foot. 6 is right at that cutoff where even if mobs are fully gathered around you, it can't extend enough to hit those on the other side of you from the enemy you are targetting. This is noticeable when you use thunderstrike, which is 7ft instead of 6, yet can hit enemies that are on that other side of you. But spinning strike regardless, really should just be a pbaoe, as it's animation even displays. Likewise, given the added benefits that consume, energy absorption, energy drain etc have, power sink on elec armor should also come with something extra, like added regen or max HP.