Anyone have a dp/kin build

[spookshow1]

I’m just looking to see if anyone has a dual pistols/kinetics build or could possibly make one

[Redlynne]

To be honest, I'm thinking you'd be better off with a Kin/DP Defender than you would be with a DP/Kin Corruptor ... owing to the better buffing/debuffing you'd get out of Kinetics as a Defender.

[Darkir]

11 hours ago, spookshow1 said:

I’m just looking to see if anyone has a dual pistols/kinetics build or could possibly make one

This thread has some builds and thoughts on dp/kin.

 

 

 

40 minutes ago, Redlynne said:

To be honest, I'm thinking you'd be better off with a Kin/DP Defender than you would be with a DP/Kin Corruptor ... owing to the better buffing/debuffing you'd get out of Kinetics as a Defender.

This really depends on how well you can proc it out while still maintaining softcapped defenses. A single saturated fulcrum caps damage on most hero ATs regardless of being a Corr/Def/Troller. Villain ATs need 2 fulcrum shifts, but again it doesn't matter whether it's a Corr or Def. 

 

In terms of damage, I'm pretty sure the defender would only outdamage a corruptor using 2 maybe 3 procs per power that the corruptor didn't have or couldn't proc reliably. On most blast sets, it would only be 2 procs, but with the fire ammo dots also being buffed an extra 100% and the extra damage scale compared to the defender, I'm not sure. Of course, all of this also assumes we are always at the damage cap, but that's pretty easy to achieve on a kin. In the end, it will depend on the build, the playstyle, and the players goals. Personally I think I'd still rather play the Corruptor, due to the damage scale combined with capped damage, especially since both can have softcapped defenses.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Darkir

[Redlynne]

10 hours ago, Darkir said:

A single saturated fulcrum caps damage on most hero ATs regardless of being a Corr/Def/Troller.

True ... when saturated with max $Targets.  The point I was trying to make though was that as a Defender you'll need fewer $Targets in order to reach that ... meaning superior buffing/debuffing performance when you aren't saturated to the max cap.

[Meknomancer]

Not great but it has possiblilities:

 

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[Darkir]

19 hours ago, Redlynne said:

True ... when saturated with max $Targets.  The point I was trying to make though was that as a Defender you'll need fewer $Targets in order to reach that ... meaning superior buffing/debuffing performance when you aren't saturated to the max cap.

Also true with a single fulcrum shift cast, but my fulcrum shift comes up around every 14-20 seconds (depending on FF procs, I can hit the recharge cap with siphon speeds, agility alpha, and a proc), so I can easily keep two stacked, capping myself and everyone else except possibly a brute, even if I don't have max targets for both. I believe you will achieve better overall results with a corruptor with the specific pairing of dp/kin, unless you can really get a lot of procs in your attacks while maintaining damage mitigation. 

 

At the damage cap, corruptors do about 43% (260 damage vs 375 damage, assuming a base attack of 65 and 75 for defenders and corruptors respectively) more damage than defenders and this discrepancy is only made worse by DoTs and scourge. The ease in which a kinetics corruptor can keep themselves at the damage cap is one of the reasons why I would rate kinetics as a more corruptor friendly set.

[plainguy]

I switched up to Darkir last build suggestion and its much better because of the increased defenses.

 

Zero issues. 

I notice that HOB is recharging much faster now with the two procs going off. 

 

I would have to say it pretty much is the top DP Kin corruptor build ATM. 

Again depending on he mob type I am soloing 3/8  to 4/8.

 

I also used Darkir build suggestions for SmallTalkJava for masterminds and have a petless whip kin mastermind doing 4/8 that is fully typed defense capped.