Demons / Pain - Whippit whippit good

[Cyrickain13]

OK guys, New lvl 50 here trying to figure out this mids and build. This is what I got so far. Looking for a good PVE Build. Let me know what you got.

 

Not sure if where I should put in the MM Superior IO's and what I should put in the pets. (kind of a blank slate here) 

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.6.0
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

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S and M: Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Heat Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings

• (A) Empty
• (3) Empty
• (3) Empty
• (5) Empty
• (5) Empty
• (7) Empty

Level 1: Nullify Pain

• (A) Empty
• (7) Empty
• (9) Empty
• (9) Empty

Level 2: Soothe

• (A) Empty
• (11) Empty
• (11) Empty
• (13) Empty

Level 4: Share Pain

• (A) Empty
• (13) Empty
• (15) Empty
• (15) Empty

Level 6: Enchant Demon

• (A) Empty
• (17) Empty

Level 8: Maneuvers

• (A) Empty
• (17) Empty
• (19) Empty

Level 10: Assault

• (A) Empty
• (19) Empty
• (21) Empty

Level 12: Summon Demons

• (A) Empty
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• (23) Empty
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• (25) Empty
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Level 14: Tactics

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• (27) Empty

Level 16: Kick

• (A) Empty

Level 18: Tough

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Level 20: Weave

• (A) Empty
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Level 22: Hasten

• (A) Empty
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Level 24: Hell on Earth

• (A) Empty
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• (34) Empty

Level 26: Summon Demon Prince

• (A) Empty
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• (36) Empty
• (36) Empty
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Level 28: Suppress Pain

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Level 30: World of Pain

• (A) Empty
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• (39) Empty

Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment

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• (39) Empty

Level 35: Anguishing Cry

• (A) Empty
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• (40) Empty
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Level 38: Painbringer

• (A) Empty
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Level 41: Fire Blast

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Level 44: Fire Ball

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Level 47: Rise of the Phoenix

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Level 49: Crack Whip

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Level 1: Brawl

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

• (A) Empty

Level 1: Supremacy 

Level 2: Rest

Edited September 17, 2021 by Cyrickain13

[The_Warpact]

When I get off work ill take a look, I had a demon/pain back on live and recently my demon/cold AV/GM killer.

[DocMidknight]

 Here's the demon/pain I just recently got to 50 with, she was a very fun to play and more survivable than I though she'd be.

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.6.0
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End(A), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(5), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg(5), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx(7), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 1: Nullify Pain -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(9), Prv-Heal(11), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg(25)
Level 2: Lash -- Hct-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Hct-Acc/Rchg(34), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Hct-Dam%(36)
Level 4: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 6: Enchant Demon -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Spirit Ward -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(25), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(31)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(33), LucoftheG-Def(33)
Level 12: Summon Demons -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(13), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(13), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(15), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), SlbAll-Build%(17)
Level 14: Enflame -- Ann-ResDeb%(A), Ann-Acc/Dmg(36), Ann-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 16: Tactics -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(39)
Level 18: Hell on Earth -- SvrRgh-PetResDam(A), EdcoftheM-PetDef(19), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(19), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(21), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(21), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(23)
Level 20: Suppress Pain -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Heal(31), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(33), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 22: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(23), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(48)
Level 24: Rune of Protection -- Ags-Psi/Status(A), Ags-ResDam(37), Ags-ResDam/Rchg(39)
Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg(A), SvrRgh-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SvrRgh-Acc/EndRdx(27), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(29), ImpSwf-Dam%(31)
Level 28: World of Pain -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), UnbGrd-ResDam(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(43), UnbGrd-EndRdx/Rchg(43), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(50)
Level 30: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Anguishing Cry -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), ShlBrk-DefDeb(40), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(40), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Painbringer -- Mrc-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrc-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mrc-Heal/Rchg(45), Mrc-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mrc-Heal(46)
Level 41: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(42), GldArm-ResDam(42)
Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(45), Rct-Def(45), Rct-Def/EndRdx(48)
Level 47: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50), ShlWal-Def(50)
Level 1: Supremacy 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(3)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), EndMod-I(3), EndMod-I(48)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
Level 1: Cold Demonling 
Level 26: Demon Prince 
Level 12: Ember Demon 
Level 1: Fiery Demonling 
Level 1: Hellfire Demonling 
Level 12: Hellfire Gargoyle 
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[Cyrickain13]

Very interesting build. I might just give it a try

[plainguy]

On 9/17/2021 at 8:28 AM, DocMidknight said:

 Here's the demon/pain I just recently got to 50 with, she was a very fun to play and more survivable than I though she'd be.

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.6.0
https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsReborn

Click this DataLink to open the build!

Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Pain Domination
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Summon Demonlings -- OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End(A), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(5), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg(5), SprCmmoft-Dmg/EndRdx(7), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), SprCmmoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9)
Level 1: Nullify Pain -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(9), Prv-Heal(11), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(11), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg(25)
Level 2: Lash -- Hct-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), Hct-Acc/Rchg(34), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(34), Hct-Dam%(36)
Level 4: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A)
Level 6: Enchant Demon -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Spirit Ward -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(25), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(31)
Level 10: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(33), LucoftheG-Def(33)
Level 12: Summon Demons -- SprMarofS-Dmg(A), SprMarofS-Dmg/EndRdx(13), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(13), SprMarofS-Acc/EndRdx(15), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), SlbAll-Build%(17)
Level 14: Enflame -- Ann-ResDeb%(A), Ann-Acc/Dmg(36), Ann-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(36)
Level 16: Tactics -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), GssSynFr--ToHit/EndRdx(39)
Level 18: Hell on Earth -- SvrRgh-PetResDam(A), EdcoftheM-PetDef(19), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets)(19), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(21), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(21), SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(23)
Level 20: Suppress Pain -- NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Heal(31), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(33), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 22: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(23), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(48)
Level 24: Rune of Protection -- Ags-Psi/Status(A), Ags-ResDam(37), Ags-ResDam/Rchg(39)
Level 26: Summon Demon Prince -- SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg(A), SvrRgh-Dmg/EndRdx(27), SvrRgh-Acc/EndRdx(27), SvrRgh-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(29), ImpSwf-Acc/EndRdx(29), ImpSwf-Dam%(31)
Level 28: World of Pain -- UnbGrd-Max HP%(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39), UnbGrd-ResDam(42), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(43), UnbGrd-EndRdx/Rchg(43), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(50)
Level 30: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Anguishing Cry -- AchHee-ResDeb%(A), ShlBrk-DefDeb(40), ShlBrk-Acc/DefDeb(40), ShlBrk-Acc/Rchg(40)
Level 38: Painbringer -- Mrc-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrc-EndRdx/Rchg(43), Mrc-Heal/Rchg(45), Mrc-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mrc-Heal(46)
Level 41: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(42), GldArm-ResDam(42)
Level 44: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(45), Rct-Def(45), Rct-Def/EndRdx(48)
Level 47: Power Boost -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(50), ShlWal-Def(50)
Level 1: Supremacy 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Flight-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(3)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), EndMod-I(3), EndMod-I(48)
Level 50: Agility Core Paragon 
Level 1: Cold Demonling 
Level 26: Demon Prince 
Level 12: Ember Demon 
Level 1: Fiery Demonling 
Level 1: Hellfire Demonling 
Level 12: Hellfire Gargoyle 
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How is the endurance on it.. I can see your just below the 2 point variance..  I am thinking Cardiac would help it over Agility for Endurance but eating blues inspirations helps.. 

 So just wondering how active are you with the build. I know with Masterminds overall you can't go full tilt as you can with other Archtypes due to endurance and this being so close to the minimum requirements make me curious. 

 

 

 

[plainguy]

13 minutes ago, plainguy said:

How is the endurance on it.. I can see your just below the 2 point variance..  I am thinking Cardiac would help it over Agility for Endurance but eating blues inspirations helps.. 

 So just wondering how active are you with the build. I know with Masterminds overall you can't go full tilt as you can with other Archtypes due to endurance and this being so close to the minimum requirements make me curious. 

 

 

 

LOL I just realized why this build looks familiar.

 

[Cyrickain13]

Do tell Plainguy!! Master of the masterminds!!

[DocMidknight]

On 9/18/2021 at 12:31 PM, plainguy said:

LOL I just realized why this build looks familiar.

 

     How so? As most of it came from leveling it up and testing with other aspects were for theme fit. Not saying it wasn't influenced by something I may have seen but don't really remember.......then again I has been hit in the head alot and my memory is not what it once was but I digress. As for the endurance question, she does fine and I attack fairly often

[Crysis]

On 9/18/2021 at 12:17 PM, plainguy said:

How is the endurance on it.. I can see your just below the 2 point variance..  I am thinking Cardiac would help it over Agility for Endurance but eating blues inspirations helps.. 

 So just wondering how active are you with the build. I know with Masterminds overall you can't go full tilt as you can with other Archtypes due to endurance and this being so close to the minimum requirements make me curious. 

 

 

 

 

Actually, on HC at least, you kinda CAN as long as you don’t mind a little “cheating” via liberal use of Survival Amplifier, Base Empowerment and Recovery Serum.  It’s quite easy on HC to get Endurance under control.  Purists often look down on such niceties but I’m all about QOL and nothing makes an attack-heavy/high +RECHARGE MM shine like the HC QOL +END buffs.

 

I have soooooo many, many Survival Amplifiers from my various “* Pack” purchases I have actually started crafting entire builds around them.  Considering how extreme the buffs are you can do some crazy high +Damage or +Def builds considering you don’t really have to worry about your +END bonuses.

Edited September 26, 2021 by Crysis

[I-Dirty]

Where is the GM killer one!?!??!?

 

Also someone told me to look up Tankermind....

 

Since I played tanks/brutes mostly....what is that and how does it work and and and...ok im needy I admit

[plainguy]

5 hours ago, Crysis said:

 

Actually, on HC at least, you kinda CAN as long as you don’t mind a little “cheating” via liberal use of Survival Amplifier, Base Empowerment and Recovery Serum.  It’s quite easy on HC to get Endurance under control.  Purists often look down on such niceties but I’m all about QOL and nothing makes an attack-heavy/high +RECHARGE MM shine like the HC QOL +END buffs.

 

I have soooooo many, many Survival Amplifiers from my various “* Pack” purchases I have actually started crafting entire builds around them.  Considering how extreme the buffs are you can do some crazy high +Damage or +Def builds considering you don’t really have to worry about your +END bonuses.

I need to look these up.. 

Honestly was not aware of them. 

 

[Snowbunny]

This build is pretty solid, my character just relaxes with their aura of heals and regeneration and my demons do all the work!

[Force Redux]

On 9/26/2021 at 3:08 PM, Crysis said:

 

Actually, on HC at least, you kinda CAN as long as you don’t mind a little “cheating” via liberal use of Survival Amplifier, Base Empowerment and Recovery Serum.  It’s quite easy on HC to get Endurance under control.  Purists often look down on such niceties but I’m all about QOL and nothing makes an attack-heavy/high +RECHARGE MM shine like the HC QOL +END buffs.

 

I have soooooo many, many Survival Amplifiers from my various “* Pack” purchases I have actually started crafting entire builds around them.  Considering how extreme the buffs are you can do some crazy high +Damage or +Def builds considering you don’t really have to worry about your +END bonuses.

I must be doing something wrong, I don't use Cardio or temp buffs or things, and I don't have endurance woes on, even when spamming abilities. My build are typical IO builds. 🤫🤫

[Crysis]

18 hours ago, Force Redux said:

I must be doing something wrong, I don't use Cardio or temp buffs or things, and I don't have endurance woes on, even when spamming abilities. My build are typical IO builds. 🤫🤫

 

Do you take and use your primary attacks?  Do you take and use pool attacks?

 

I have no endurance issues on my MM's if I'm basically letting my pets do all my DPS.  You get penalized in this game as an MM for trying to "outperform" DPS by adding in your own on top of what the henchmen dish out.  There's design reasons for this and I've come to accept them to keep the MM class from getting to OP status.  Huge native +RES, achievable softcap +DEF and very achievable high +RECH.  Throw attacks in there (even if we didn't have an END penalty for them) even WITH the class modifier dampening and you will take some MM builds and push them right into tank mage territory.

 

But if your primary playstyle is as a support player to your henchmen, which is a -VALID- playstyle, then yeah, I don't have END issues either.

 

Play the class to the exploitable fullest....and yes, I most certainly -DO- have END issues that are seldom fixed until Destiny>Ageless T4 comes along, even with temp buffs.  I can play the game just fine, it's just slow and seldom at +4/x8 from levels 38-50 until I get my END worked out.

[Force Redux]

Not a judgment on you, just wondering why I'm not having end issues. 

I generally take one attack from the primary, and I never use pool attacks. I will use Blackstaff, and Epic attacks, however. Usually I'm busy buffing/debuffing to fit in full attack chains, though on my Beast/Time and Best/Nature I have all three attacks and use them frequently to stack Pack Mentality. Of course, Time and Nature both have End recovery tools...

 

My Demon/Dark has two whip attacks, black staff, and Epic Tendrils, plus holds, etc. Same sitch with my Bots/FF... Two rifle attacks, nemesis staff, force bolts, plus electricity epic immobilize, etc. Neither have End recovery powers.

 

Unless I'm purposefully being lazy, I'm using powers, but perhaps the key is I'm not fitting in overly high end use MM primary attack powers in tight attack chains? I weave primary attacks in between my other powers.