ASLNDR1 Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 I am trying to build an scraper to fit the Elric of Melniboné concept. For those who have not read the books, he is a half crazy wizarding who uses broadsword and has a connection with demons. So, BS/DM seems like an obvious combination, but I am not able to find any builds for that and see a lot of negative comments about BS as a primary for scrapers on the forums. Assuming cost of the build is not a major constraint (I have a very strong farmer who can fund this), can someone please help me with a final build for this combo or just tell me "don't waste your time"? 1
Sanguinesun Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 You're building for concept and not utility. Thus anything you want to do is going to be fine in the long run. If you're building for utility and other game play goals, then you may want to make other considerations.
Nyghtmaire Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 I’m thinking katana might suit theme better, all things being equal. Elric read faster to me somehow in his diffidence. Also a classic scrapper pairing with similar mechanics to BS albeit faster activation times. 1 The Splintered Soul Project: (Nyght****) 21 and counting (18 max). DSorrow: “Give a man a build export and you feed him for a day, teach him to build and he's fed for a lifetime.
SomeGuy Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) I can definitely vouch for BS being very viable to 50. This is my current BS/SD scrapper's build. This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsRebornClick this DataLink to open the build!Level 50 Technology ScrapperPrimary Power Set: Broad SwordSecondary Power Set: Shield DefensePower Pool: LeapingPower Pool: SpeedPower Pool: FightingPower Pool: LeadershipAncillary Pool: Mu MasteryHero Profile:Level 1: HackLevel 1: BrawlLevel 14: Double JumpLevel 50: Musculature Core Paragon------------ (A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage (3) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime (3) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime (15) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative) (17) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage (17) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 1: Deflection (A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance (43) Shield Wall - Defense (43) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All) (45) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% (45) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage (48) Kismet - Accuracy +6% Level 2: Battle Agility (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (23) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge (23) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge (25) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge (25) Red Fortune - Defense (31) Red Fortune - Endurance Level 4: True Grit (A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance (11) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (13) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (15) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance Level 6: Build Up (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up (7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff (7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge (9) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance (9) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance (11) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance Level 8: Combat Jumping (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (37) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance (47) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range (48) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 10: Active Defense (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 12: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (13) Recharge Reduction IO Level 14: Super Jump (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%) Level 16: Against All Odds (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 18: Whirling Sword (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus (19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge (21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 20: Phalanx Fighting (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 22: Kick (A) Empty Level 24: Tough (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge (34) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance (37) Aegis - Resistance (40) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP Level 26: Disembowel (A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy (27) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance (27) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative) (29) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge (29) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage (31) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 28: Grant Cover (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 30: Weave (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (45) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (46) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge (46) Red Fortune - Defense Level 32: Head Splitter Hamidon Origin:Nucleolus Exposure (33) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance (33) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge (33) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc (34) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff (34) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 35: Shield Charge (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage (36) Obliteration - Damage (36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge (36) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (50) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 38: Zapp (A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy (39) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance (39) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative) (39) Decimation - Chance of Build Up (40) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic) (40) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic) Level 41: Ball Lightning (A) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance (42) Ragnarok - Damage (42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge (42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy (43) Ragnarok - Recharge/Accuracy Level 44: Maneuvers (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (46) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (50) Red Fortune - Defense Level 47: Assault (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 49: One with the Shield (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 1: Critical Hit (A) Empty Level 1: Sprint (A) Run Speed IO Level 2: Rest (A) Empty Level 1: Swift (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Hurdle (A) Jumping IO Level 1: Health (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance (31) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery Level 1: Stamina (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End (48) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self Level 49: Quick Form I get very good results ST or AOE with this (same as my WM/SD actually...and for those that don't know me, yes I know wtf I'm doing), and honestly, I only went Shields because of the aesthetic. Shields doesn't add a ton of reliable AOE. Fun AOE when it's off cooldown for darn sure, but not reliable. Since you are looking more at concept, @Sanguinesun does make some good points, but dismissing BS entirely for utility definitely doesn't need to be considered. No, BS isn't the best performer, but it looks cool, feels chonky, and does good damage and debuffs. But you can get a lot of utility with BS and still match your concept. Katana IS a better set performance wise, but it for sure feels different enough from BS. What is DM in this question? I only know of DM as Dark Melee and that set is definitely lagging... If someone tells you that you're wasting your time with BS they are wrong. *the dude that created that character is named MoorCOCK? That's amazing. Edited May 16, 2023 by SomeGuy 1 Pylon and Trapdoor Results Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d0VruEHGktnPFvtMLF_MdpKPBe0wgUhzyGvb1DQNQQo/edit#gid=0
ASLNDR1 Posted May 16, 2023 Author Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Nyghtmaire said: I’m thinking katana might suit theme better, all things being equal. Elric read faster to me somehow in his diffidence. Also a classic scrapper pairing with similar mechanics to BS albeit faster activation times. You are right, and there us a broadsword graphic available for Katana. Thanks. Katana / DM it is!
Sanguinesun Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, SomeGuy said: I can definitely vouch for BS being very viable to 50. This is my current BS/SD scrapper's build. Reveal hidden contents This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6https://github.com/LoadedCamel/MidsRebornClick this DataLink to open the build!Level 50 Technology ScrapperPrimary Power Set: Broad SwordSecondary Power Set: Shield DefensePower Pool: LeapingPower Pool: SpeedPower Pool: FightingPower Pool: LeadershipAncillary Pool: Mu MasteryHero Profile:Level 1: HackLevel 1: BrawlLevel 14: Double JumpLevel 50: Musculature Core Paragon------------ (A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage (3) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime (3) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime (15) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative) (17) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage (17) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 1: Deflection (A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance (43) Shield Wall - Defense (43) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All) (45) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3% (45) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage (48) Kismet - Accuracy +6% Level 2: Battle Agility (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (23) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge (23) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge (25) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge (25) Red Fortune - Defense (31) Red Fortune - Endurance Level 4: True Grit (A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance (11) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime (13) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime (15) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance Level 6: Build Up (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up (7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff (7) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge (9) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance (9) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance (11) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance Level 8: Combat Jumping (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (37) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range/Endurance (47) Blessing of the Zephyr - Run Speed, Jump, Flight Speed, Range (48) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points) Level 10: Active Defense (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 12: Hasten (A) Recharge Reduction IO (13) Recharge Reduction IO Level 14: Super Jump (A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%) Level 16: Against All Odds (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 18: Whirling Sword (A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge (19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus (19) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge (21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (21) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 20: Phalanx Fighting (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 22: Kick (A) Empty Level 24: Tough (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge (34) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance (37) Aegis - Resistance (40) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP Level 26: Disembowel (A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy (27) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance (27) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative) (29) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge (29) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage (31) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 28: Grant Cover (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed Level 30: Weave (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (45) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (46) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge (46) Red Fortune - Defense Level 32: Head Splitter Hamidon Origin:Nucleolus Exposure (33) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance (33) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge (33) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc (34) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff (34) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Level 35: Shield Charge (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage (36) Obliteration - Damage (36) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge (36) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge (37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge (50) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge Level 38: Zapp (A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy (39) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance (39) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative) (39) Decimation - Chance of Build Up (40) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic) (40) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic) Level 41: Ball Lightning (A) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance (42) Ragnarok - Damage (42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge (42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy (43) Ragnarok - Recharge/Accuracy Level 44: Maneuvers (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed (46) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance (50) Red Fortune - Defense Level 47: Assault (A) Endurance Reduction IO Level 49: One with the Shield (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All) Level 1: Critical Hit (A) Empty Level 1: Sprint (A) Run Speed IO Level 2: Rest (A) Empty Level 1: Swift (A) Run Speed IO Level 1: Hurdle (A) Jumping IO Level 1: Health (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance (31) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery Level 1: Stamina (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End (48) Power Transfer - Chance to Heal Self Level 49: Quick Form I get very good results ST or AOE with this (same as my WM/SD actually...and for those that don't know me, yes I know wtf I'm doing), and honestly, I only went Shields because of the aesthetic. Shields doesn't add a ton of reliable AOE. Fun AOE when it's off cooldown for darn sure, but not reliable. Since you are looking more at concept, @Sanguinesun does make some good points, but dismissing BS entirely for utility definitely doesn't need to be considered. No, BS isn't the best performer, but it looks cool, feels chonky, and does good damage and debuffs. But you can get a lot of utility with BS and still match your concept. Katana IS a better set performance wise, but it for sure feels different enough from BS. What is DM in this question? I only know of DM as Dark Melee and that set is definitely lagging... If someone tells you that you're wasting your time with BS they are wrong. *the dude that created that character is named MoorCOCK? That's amazing. In regards to what I meant, the viability of BS diminishes depending on the play goals. As an example, while it may be possible, you do not necessarily see many ITF 4 star hardmode BS scrappers as an extreme example. 😛 As for the book series author, you can read up on him: Michael Moorcock - Wikipedia Edited May 16, 2023 by Sanguinesun
Grimm2 Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 It is very much worth the read. Along with anything by Roget Zelazny, same era of some deliciously wack fantasy. 1
UltraAlt Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 5 hours ago, ASLNDR1 said: uses broadsword Titan weapon as a rune sword. 5 hours ago, ASLNDR1 said: he is a half crazy wizarding So, obviously, the https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Sorcery pool. 5 hours ago, ASLNDR1 said: I am trying to build an scraper 5 hours ago, ASLNDR1 said: So, BS/DM seems like an obvious combination I would suggest a Dark Armor/Titan Weapon Tank. Why a tank instead of a scrapper? More "magical" protection. Elric often summons elementals for protection. If someone posts a reply quoting me and I don't reply, they may be on ignore. (It seems I'm involved with so much at this point that I may not be able to easily retrieve access to all the notifications) Some players know that I have them on ignore and are likely to make posts knowing that is the case. But the fact that I have them on ignore won't stop some of them from bullying and harassing people, because some of them love to do it. There is a group that have banded together to target forum posters they don't like. They think that this behavior is acceptable. Ignore (in the forums) and /ignore (in-game) are tools to improve your gaming experience. Don't feel bad about using them.
SeraphimKensai Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 Well Dark Armor is a great resistance based set, I do have to agree with the sentiment that dark armor would work better as a tanker or brute due to the resistance hardcaps being 90% as opposed to the scrapper's resistance hardcaps being 75%. That said Dark Armor using Oppressive Gloom and CoF paired with Dark Regen will likely keep you on your feet. As Dark Armor's heal is important, I'd suggest building in some degree of slow resistance, and some passive end recovery/end discount while chasing up your resistances. I'd probably also use melee core, barrier, and rune on rotation to ensure your resistances are capped. Broadsword is decent enough and has some decent hitting powers, katana flows pretty well, and titan weapons is pretty great once you get the momentum mechanic down. I have experience with all three (including a DA/Katana tanker). I also play DA as a scrapper with a RM/DA, and well fun, it's not as survivable by any means as a tanker or brute. However I'm not familiar with the base character.
Gobbledigook Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 I would say Elrik is a BS/Willpower Brute. But you could go Scrapper also. He needed drugs to survive until he gets Stormbringer. Stormbringer provides him with the health he needs to live, hence Willpower. It makes him stronger as it steals souls, hence the Brute. You can take the Sorcery pool for the theme and take Rune of Protection which will work well with WP. From the epic pool you could take one like Soul Mastery and pick summon Widow and have that as your Demon. This would keep the theme and be quite effective.
Yomo Kimyata Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 Love theme builds! Broad Sword remains one of my favorite sets, maybe from nostalgia. Paired with Dark Armor, you are going to have to focus your build around endurance management, which actually fits in nicely with the Elric concept since he frequently tired. One thing to keep in mind is whether you want your character to be wielding with one hand (BS) or two hands (Katana). Who run Bartertown?
Belazarius Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 Elric would not be Elric without Stormbringer so either Broad Sword or Titan Weapons. Taum Athe et non je ne suis pas un fruit et encore moins un thaumaturge !
SomeGuy Posted May 16, 2023 Posted May 16, 2023 Ok...Dm is Dark Armor? Umm, that's a good pairing. Endurance heavy (anything with dark armor is) but it's a good pairing. Highly recommend getting recovery serums from the P2W vendor. Pylon and Trapdoor Results Spreadsheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d0VruEHGktnPFvtMLF_MdpKPBe0wgUhzyGvb1DQNQQo/edit#gid=0
ClawsandEffect Posted May 24, 2023 Posted May 24, 2023 On 5/16/2023 at 10:18 AM, Belazarius said: Elric would not be Elric without Stormbringer so either Broad Sword or Titan Weapons. There's a two handed broadsword model available for Katana as well. It actually looks really good with the animations. 1
Belazarius Posted May 24, 2023 Posted May 24, 2023 11 hours ago, ClawsandEffect said: There's a two handed broadsword model available for Katana as well. It actually looks really good with the animations. Yes, you changed my mind. Katana is the best choice. And they're two handed. I don't know why in my mind Broad Sword meant : bigger = two handed but no. Also Titan Weapons are too big in my opinion in this case 😛 Taum Athe et non je ne suis pas un fruit et encore moins un thaumaturge !
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