Help me keep my Robots chilled (Bots/Cold review please)

Force Redux · June 23, 2019

Hello. Long-time Bots/FF player here, trying to venture out and try /Cold with Robots. I could use some help reviewing the build, and offering any advice.

The paring is rather thematic, since a lot of high tech equipment is kept cold, so hence, the cryonic villain, Cold Steel. (I feel like this pairing also honors my two old main characters back in Live, Chill-Out, my Ice/Ice tanker, and Mechanista, my Bots/FF MM...kind of like combining the two into one...at least it feels that way to me!)

I really miss the Dispersion Bubble the most, but I do like the +stealth from Arctic Fog. Helps keep the bots (noisy as they are) from alerting enemies while we assemble. Most of them tend to keep within it, with a few Goto prompts. With Fly +stealth on, I can sneak to mission objectives and summon the bots in peace. I wish I could fit recall friend in there to help with speed TFs, but I do find Group Flight helpful in certain maps, like Oranbega.

I put in a few procs for sleet (in the build, I don't have it yet in-game) and used Frozen Armor to slot a few uniques for personal defense. Overall personal Defense is lower than my /FF, but the resists are better. However, the slows, and other debuffs actually add to personal and teammate protection, so that's not as readily apparent. I do feel I add more to a team that just +Defense/Toxic/EndDrainProt, although I've had times when I wished I could add +Status Protection. That will have to wait until Clarion.

I did take hasten and put in some LotG for 30% global recharge, but I'm not aiming to take down AVs by myself here, just good solid solo and group work. If I have a few seconds of downtime here or there that doesn't bother me. Benumb and Sleet are up often enough to please me.

What this build does offer me that I enjoy compared to FF is more control. It is far easier to keep things clumped up for the bots. In my old Live Bots/FF build I had Mace and I could glue them down but prior to Mace I had to chase down runners. Not so much this go around.

Anyway, that's been my experience, and my reasons for slotting. If anyone would care to review the build below and offer critiques and suggestions, I'd very much appreciate them. Trying to get out of my comfort zone. Maybe one day I'll even try Beasts (ha ha ha....well...that might be a cold day in...well...huh...cold.../cold? )

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Level 50 Magic Mastermind

Primary Power Set: Robotics

Secondary Power Set: Cold Domination

Power Pool: Medicine

Power Pool: Flight

Power Pool: Speed

Power Pool: Leadership

Ancillary Pool: Chill Mastery

Villain Profile:

Level 1: Battle Drones

(A) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(3) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(3) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(5) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura
(5) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets
(7) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus

Level 1: Infrigidate

(A) Analyze Weakness - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge

Level 2: Ice Shield

(A) Defense Buff IO
(7) Defense Buff IO
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 4: Aid Other

(A) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
(9) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(11) Miracle - Endurance/Recharge

Level 6: Equip Robot

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 8: Hover

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 10: Glacial Shield

(A) Defense Buff IO
(11) Defense Buff IO
(13) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 12: Protector Bots

(A) Sovereign Right - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(13) Sovereign Right - Accuracy/Damage
(15) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage
(15) Blood Mandate - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Defense Buff IO
(17) Defense Buff IO

Level 14: Aid Self

(A) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
(21) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(21) Miracle - Heal/Recharge

Level 16: Snow Storm

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(23) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(23) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(37) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(46) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(50) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 18: Fly

(A) Freebird - +Stealth

Level 20: Arctic Fog

(A) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
(25) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(25) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
(27) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(40) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(43) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

Level 22: Field Medic

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 24: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(27) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 26: Assault Bot

(A) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(29) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(29) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
(31) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets
(31) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus
(31) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown

Level 28: Benumb

(A) Accuracy IO
(33) Accuracy IO
(33) Recharge Reduction IO
(33) Recharge Reduction IO
(34) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 30: Maneuvers

(A) Defense Buff IO
(34) Defense Buff IO
(34) Defense Buff IO

Level 32: Upgrade Robot

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 35: Sleet

(A) Touch of Lady Grey - Recharge/Endurance
(36) Undermined Defenses - Recharge/Endurance
(36) Recharge Reduction IO
(36) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
(37) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
(37) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 38: Heat Loss

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(39) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(39) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(39) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(40) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(40) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 41: Ice Blast

(A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
(42) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
(42) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
(42) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(43) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(43) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 44: Frozen Armor

(A) Reactive Defenses - Defense
(45) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance/RechargeTime
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(45) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
(46) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance
(46) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 47: Tactics

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(48) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance
(50) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up

Level 49: Group Fly

(A) Soaring - Endurance/FlySpeed

Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 1: Supremacy

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run

Level 2: Swift

(A) Empty

Level 2: Health

(A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Empty

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Endurance Modification IO
(19) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(19) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

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Force Redux · June 23, 2019

No takers? Please don't let the post go to page 2 :-)

Force Redux · June 24, 2019

46+ views....is the build that flawless, lol?

Vuhart · June 24, 2019

I can't view all the set bonuses at the moment but I do have a few questions/suggestions.

1. I know you said you weren't building to solo AVs but how much are you willing to spend?

2. I could see adding Reactive Defenses to maneuvers if you aren't S/L capped.

Force Redux · June 24, 2019

I can't view all the set bonuses at the moment but I do have a few questions/suggestions.

1. I know you said you weren't building to solo AVs but how much are you willing to spend?

2. I could see adding Reactive Defenses to maneuvers if you aren't S/L capped.

I'm willing to spend a lot, as this is my main. Don't have it all over time, but so far I have most of the Pet Ios, KB prot IO, Stealth IO and Reactive Defense IO. Working on the others. Later I 'll work on sets. Appreciate the lookover.

Dixa · June 24, 2019

not building to take on av's but with no aoe immob clearly not building to take on groups, either? just gonna play on 4/0?

i try to build my bots to not rely on the shield from protectors.

get rid of the hammi-o's and slot the ato's. You have no end reduction in your pets and are playing a secondary that does not provide end t your pets and did not state if you are taking ageless or not. Your pets will run dry quickly and you are missing out on 30% recharge

get rid of the defense io's in bots. you don't need them as cold, ff, traps or time if using the unique io's.

proper efficient slotting for your pets is

4 of each mm ato set in assault bot and protector bots. which you do which with is up to you.

the last two of each set in the tier 1 bots.

from here fill out the other 4 unique io's, and kb to kd, damage procs, build up in the tier 1's

something like this has you softcapped in pve without bot shield, 3 points shy of incarnate cap with bot shield, an aoe immob and your pets doing a LOT more damage while having end recovery and with ageless - perma hasten.

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Kyksie · June 24, 2019

Pretty good. Only thing is that three Nucleolususes in Assault Bot seems like overkill, especially with 6-slotted Tactics.

Force Redux · June 24, 2019

not building to take on av's but with no aoe immob clearly not building to take on groups, either? just gonna play on 4/0?

Snowstorm and Sleet not enough? Seemed ok (albeit briefly) on Justin, I'm at 24 now on Everlasting.

If you recommend an immobilize Dixa, which would you lean torward?

Force Redux · June 24, 2019

Pretty good. Only thing is that three Nucleolususes in Assault Bot seems like overkill, especially with 6-slotted Tactics.

True. Remove one and put in a Dam/End?

Dixa · June 24, 2019

not building to take on av's but with no aoe immob clearly not building to take on groups, either? just gonna play on 4/0?

Snowstorm and Sleet not enough? Seemed ok (albeit briefly) on Justin, I'm at 24 now on Everlasting.

If you recommend an immobilize Dixa, which would you lean torward?

I edited my post.

Force Redux · June 24, 2019

not building to take on av's but with no aoe immob clearly not building to take on groups, either? just gonna play on 4/0?

Snowstorm and Sleet not enough? Seemed ok (albeit briefly) on Justin, I'm at 24 now on Everlasting.

If you recommend an immobilize Dixa, which would you lean torward?

I edited my post.

Fantastic Dixa, thank you. Exactly what I was looking for.

Force Redux · June 24, 2019

Updated build. I'll use this when on my phone to review. Thanks for input folks!

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Level 50 Magic Mastermind

Primary Power Set: Robotics

Secondary Power Set: Cold Domination

Power Pool: Medicine

Power Pool: Flight

Power Pool: Speed

Power Pool: Leadership

Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:

Level 1: Battle Drones

(A) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Damage/Endurance
(3) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Endurance
(3) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance
(5) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage
(5) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up
(7) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus

Level 1: Infrigidate

(A) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Defense Debuff
(48) Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage

Level 2: Ice Shield

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(7) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(9) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 4: Aid Other

(A) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
(9) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(11) Miracle - Endurance/Recharge

Level 6: Equip Robot

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 8: Hover

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 10: Glacial Shield

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(11) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(13) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed

Level 12: Protector Bots

(A) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen
(13) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Damage
(15) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage
(15) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(17) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets
(17) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets

Level 14: Aid Self

(A) Miracle - Heal/Endurance
(21) Miracle - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(21) Miracle - Heal/Recharge

Level 16: Snow Storm

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(23) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(23) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(37) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(46) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(50) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 18: Fly

(A) Freebird - +Stealth

Level 20: Arctic Fog

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(25) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(25) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(27) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
(40) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(43) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge

Level 22: Field Medic

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 24: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(27) Recharge Reduction IO
(48) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 26: Assault Bot

(A) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura
(29) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(29) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(31) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(31) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus
(31) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown

Level 28: Benumb

(A) Accuracy IO
(33) Accuracy IO
(33) Recharge Reduction IO
(33) Recharge Reduction IO
(34) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 30: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(34) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(34) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 32: Upgrade Robot

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 35: Sleet

(A) Touch of Lady Grey - Recharge/Endurance
(36) Undermined Defenses - Recharge/Endurance
(36) Recharge Reduction IO
(36) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
(37) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
(37) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff

Level 38: Heat Loss

(A) Pacing of the Turtle - Endurance/Recharge/Slow
(39) Pacing of the Turtle - Damage/Slow
(39) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Endurance
(39) Pacing of the Turtle - Range/Slow
(40) Pacing of the Turtle - Accuracy/Slow
(40) Pacing of the Turtle - Chance of -Recharge

Level 41: Web Envelope

(A) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Recharge
(42) Enfeebled Operation - Endurance/Immobilize
(42) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize
(42) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Endurance
(43) Enfeebled Operation - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge

Level 44: Scorpion Shield

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
(45) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(45) Kismet - Accuracy +6%
(46) Karma - Knockback Protection

Level 47: Tactics

(A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(48) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff

Level 49: Group Fly

(A) Soaring - Endurance/FlySpeed

Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 1: Supremacy

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run

Level 2: Swift

(A) Empty

Level 2: Health

(A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(43) Miracle - +Recovery
(46) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Empty

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Endurance Modification IO
(19) Performance Shifter - EndMod
(19) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon

Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany

Level 50: Assault Core Embodiment

Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface

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Force Redux · June 25, 2019

How would taking Clarion Core Epiphany change the build? Would the loss of END and Recharge gimp the build? Or was it mostly a "nice to have"? I can't use Pine's for a while.

Dixa · June 25, 2019

Never played cold but it looks busy and mm have end issues in general.

Force Redux · June 25, 2019

Never played cold but it looks busy and mm have end issues in general.

Ty for the help Dixa.

Definite food for thought!

Elthenar · June 25, 2019

Never played cold but it looks busy and mm have end issues in general.

Note that Heat Loss can mitigate end problems, both for you AND your pets. I run Tough, Maneuvers, Fog and Weave on Ninja/Cold. If I land a good Heat Loss, end is no longer an issue. That with throwing all my cold stuff in addtion to spamming Smoke Flash.

With only hasten and without incarnate or set stuff, there is only short gap between the expiration of the Heat Loss buff and the ability to recast it. Io's can tighten that up and going Agility in your alpha spot would really do it. As mine is an alt, I haven't settled on a final build but I am leaning towards agility on mine just to really pour out the cold stuff, like Sleet.

Force Redux · June 25, 2019

Very helpful Elthenar, thank you. Nice to have some input on END management within Cold.

Hedgefund · July 3, 2019

This is meant to be just notes on the latest build, not a thorough review.

Instead of slotting small + def bonuses in Arctic Fog, slot some actual defense, you'd get about 2% def to all instead of 1.25% def to s/l/e/n. I went with 4 Shield Walls (including +res IO) since you've maxed out LOTGs.

Hasten is perma with 2 slots. You can move one to whatever, another proc.

I don't have a "main" but I love, LOVE my Bots/Cold. There are no end issues whatsoever especially once you get to perma HL.

Force Redux · July 9, 2019

Thanks Hedgefund, will take your advice in my build! I definitely am learning to love /Cold over FF for MM... But I'm definitely going to want Clarion.

Hedgefund · July 11, 2019

Just for reference, here's my bots/cold. It was my very first toon in the new world. I haven't given any thought on improvements though I'm sure there are opportunities. I'm not terribly motivated to revisit the build because, as is, there's nothing it can't do. Nothing (note - not a PVPer).

And yes, Clarion is the right call.

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Wintervoid · July 11, 2019

If you are on Indomitable you have the name I was going to take for the same pairing. Since I pretty much only play redside, I had to go with Cold Steal.

As far as the pairing, it is good...but so...so.....boring. I actually play on +1/3-4, and on basic missions I attack a spawn and then open up my Kindle to read for the few minutes to clear the spawn. I gave up at 30, and I am sure if I ever make it to 32 it will go a bit quicker.....but this is the reason I never played Bots/FF...not enough for me to contribute during the fight. On live I played Bots/TA and I remember it fondly, although it was nowhere near as safe or powerful.

Force Redux · July 14, 2019

I'm on Everlasting, Wintervoid.

My backup name was Cold Hard Steel. Perhaps it might work for you?

I like Bots/Cold. Has a few more goodies to keep me busier than FF did.

Not sure I could ever play Bots/TA....but it sounds like it would be very interesting.

Hedgefund: thanks for the build. When I get around to leveling this char, I'll use it for my reference.

Rebel230 · July 15, 2019

Not trying to hijack this thread, but would the same choices of powers/slotting and IO sets here work for thugs/cold? I have mine at 50 and needs to be respec into a build to build towards. I have no real issues on the thugs choice side, but /cold has me confused. Thank you

Force Redux · July 15, 2019

Not trying to hijack this thread, but would the same choices of powers/slotting and IO sets here work for thugs/cold? I have mine at 50 and needs to be respec into a build to build towards. I have no real issues on the thugs choice side, but /cold has me confused. Thank you

for the most part yes. Obviously you'd have gang war to slot the special pet aura IOsin. But overall thugs are a defense based set like robots. I think the build woodport over very nicely

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