The Acolyte

[Mr. Apocalypse]

On 6/19/2024 at 9:27 PM, LKN-351 said:

 

So far hes only been in episode 4 but he had more lines than in the movies as far as i can remember lol

and he was place in said episode 50  or so years before he was born. another disregard to cannon.

[Thraxen]

I just got caught up after being out of town. I still love it. I think it is great. What are people hating about this show? 

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, Thraxen said:

I just got caught up after being out of town. I still love it. I think it is great. What are people hating about this show? 

For some, it’s the writing and acting.

But hey, if you’re enjoying it - isn’t that all that matters?

[PeregrineFalcon]

 

[Without_Pause]

Series started slow. Writing has been okay. Kids actors was a sore spot, but I assumed they were going to be one offs and they were. It's not like Star Wars has a great track record with kid actors anyway. The show has gotten better and the last one was terrific. I think it would be hard for them to not at least land the show at a decent spot for me. Is it the best thing I'm watching? No. It might not even be Top 3, but that's better than what click-bait Youtube is saying. I still don't get how something they said was going to happen actually happened. We are must be watching different shows. But hey, it's the land where things are the best things in recent years or ever or complete trash. Average is not allowed damn it. Seriously, I recently watched something deemed the best in years by multiple reviewers(non Youtube even), and it makes me wonder what else they have watched. 

[PeregrineFalcon]

The poorly written story just keeps getting worse.

 

 

[PeregrineFalcon]

9 minutes ago, Krimson said:

This thread is evidence that masochism is endemic. I'm not seeing anything positive about this show and yet people continue inflicting on themselves voluntarily. If the show is that bad why continue to watch? 

If you're referring to the person who made the video I posted, it's because reviewing shows and movies is his job, he gets money for every video he posts. If you're referring to me, I don't watch it. One episode was enough for me.

 

And according to some of the posts in this thread, some people do like this show. And that's ok. Unlike some people I don't call people -ists and -phobes just because they don't like a movie or TV show that I like.

[Bionic_Flea]

I have never found ANY of the Star Wars movies or shows to be high art.  I have nostalgic feelings about the first three because I saw them in the theater as a kid.  But even then I recognized it as an ordinary fairy tale with knights and princesses.

 

In fact, I've found many of the D+ shows better than the movies, especially the Mandalorian.

 

I recently watched the first few episodes of the Acolyte and felt that the "It's too woke" criticism to be overblown.  It was fine to me.  It's not high art but, sorry, nothing from Star Wars is high art.  It has a few women in major roles and a coven of lesbian witches.  So does this planet.  *shrug*

 

What I generally have a problem with is when they change existing characters from one thing to another.  That was my problem with the 2016 Ghostbusters with Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones.  I like all of them in SNL and other stuff, but there was no need to recreate a classic just to make the leads female.  I have absolutely no problem with the more recent ones having Egon's granddaughter as a protagonist.  And I would have felt the same if they had written the female cast as the children of the originals, or a branch office of Ghostbusters in another city.

 

[BrandX]

22 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

I have never found ANY of the Star Wars movies or shows to be high art.  I have nostalgic feelings about the first three because I saw them in the theater as a kid.  But even then I recognized it as an ordinary fairy tale with knights and princesses.

 

In fact, I've found many of the D+ shows better than the movies, especially the Mandalorian.

 

I recently watched the first few episodes of the Acolyte and felt that the "It's too woke" criticism to be overblown.  It was fine to me.  It's not high art but, sorry, nothing from Star Wars is high art.  It has a few women in major roles and a coven of lesbian witches.  So does this planet.  *shrug*

 

What I generally have a problem with is when they change existing characters from one thing to another.  That was my problem with the 2016 Ghostbusters with Melissa McCarthy, Kristen Wiig, Kate McKinnon, Leslie Jones.  I like all of them in SNL and other stuff, but there was no need to recreate a classic just to make the leads female.  I have absolutely no problem with the more recent ones having Egon's granddaughter as a protagonist.  And I would have felt the same if they had written the female cast as the children of the originals, or a branch office of Ghostbusters in another city.

 

 

I think it's more a matter of the intent in things and how they go about it.  2016 failed at it.  Their promotion didn't help it, but as someone who saw it in theaters because I was going to make up my own mind and personally didn't think the CGI looked bad, I have to say, the movie just wasn't good 😛  That said, I also have no issue with reboots which 2016 was.  Other's for some reason do.

 

It's like Star Trek: TNG.  It would be considered woke by many today, but in it's day it's episodes were usually well written and when they tried to make some blatant point about some cause/injustice/agenda/what have you and it was written badly, it was usually called out.  The TNG episode of holes in space due to warp speed comes to mind as a universally thought of cringe episode (by the cast as well the last I read).

 

It never helps when a failure blames what is generally the main fanbase either.

 

Though, I think some things get over blown at one bit of possible slight as well.  

[Bionic_Flea]

57 minutes ago, BrandX said:

It's like Star Trek: TNG.  It would be considered woke by many today

 

The whole concept of Star Trek as conceived by Roddenberry would be categorized as "woke" today.  All races, ethnicities, nationalities, and sexes (though not gender initially) work together to explore the universe and the Earth is an egalitarian paradise with no scarcity or pollution.

 

But yes, I get your point.  It's not just who they chose as actors as much as whether they acted well in well written scenes and that the creators blame the audience and not themselves.

[PeregrineFalcon]

3 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

The whole concept of Star Trek as conceived by Roddenberry would be categorized as "woke" today.  All races, ethnicities, nationalities, and sexes (though not gender initially) work together to explore the universe and the Earth is an egalitarian paradise with no scarcity or pollution.

No, it would not be. There was a term for it, enlightened. Woke is not what you described and you know it. I won't go into more details due to previous moderator warnings on this subject.

 

Also, the Acolyte's biggest problem isn't that it's woke, it's that the writing is garbage (fire in airless space), the acting is garbage & the star has the emotional range of a cantaloupe, the plot makes no sense, and they keep ignoring canon. Throwing the woke message on top of that doesn't help though. The Star Wars fans are pretty much done with that too.

[BrandX]

4 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

 

The whole concept of Star Trek as conceived by Roddenberry would be categorized as "woke" today.  All races, ethnicities, nationalities, and sexes (though not gender initially) work together to explore the universe and the Earth is an egalitarian paradise with no scarcity or pollution.

 

But yes, I get your point.  It's not just who they chose as actors as much as whether they acted well in well written scenes and that the creators blame the audience and not themselves.

 

Well in that regard, it would've been the original.  I would disagree on the idea of something new being woke.  That's even the anti-woke's saying often enough "Quit making my stuff woke and make something original if that's what you want."

 

Of course, if it failed, they might blame those who say "Don't be woke!" for not showing up 😛

[Bionic_Flea]

3 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

No, it would not be. There was a term for it, enlightened. Woke is not what you described and you know it.

 

I disagree.  But that's all I'll say about it.  Feel free to PM me if you want to debate further.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Getting back to the show...

 

This week's ep:

Spoiler

Relatively quiet little "temptation" ep - in more ways than one, hellooooo evil Sith nurse - as Osha gets to know Qimir/The Stranger. Not like that, unless you're reading slashfic. Qimir is trying to seem Terribly Reasonable, which Terrible People often do. However, there's not many ways of coming back from stabbing a kid. Also, Cortosis is A Thing now, and has been Chekhov's Blaster'd, so it will likely be Important Later On. In Caps.

 

Meanwhile, Sol is hanging around with Mae and Bazil, and rumbles her pretty quickly when she says Sol never told her anything. Portentious, true, but it means next ep we should get the full reveal of what went down with the witches. 

 

Irritations in this episode: eminently smackable talentless British/Brit-impersonating extra who thinks he's in H***y P***er, and Vernestra emoting the hell out of Knowing More Than She's Letting On. 

 

So, next week, we get out final Exposition Episode, possibly from multiple angles, followed by The Big Ol' Final Battle. Series could have done with some tighter editing - for the amount of actual story we've had, this could have been trimmed to five or six eps total - but I'm still entertained.

 

[Excraft]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:01 AM, Bionic_Flea said:

It's not just who they chose as actors as much as whether they acted well in well written scenes and that the creators blame the audience and not themselves.

 

Here's a fine example of the "creatives" blaming the fans/"internet culture" for not liking the crap they are shilling.

 

https://www.superherohype.com/movies/578398-emma-roberts-madame-web-internet-culture-joke

[Without_Pause]

I found E6 a bit boring to be honest and a bit lackluster considering the previous episode. There's 8 episodes total and that's what they serve up for E6? Pretty much any other series by E6 is doing the ramp up. This felt like an episode you do in the first half of the series. The showrunner I believe at one time said they had ideas for more seasons. I'm not sure they have enough for 1. Do a series like Echo which was 6 episodes, and it felt much better than this. 

[Ghost]

5 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

I found E6 a bit boring to be honest and a bit lackluster considering the previous episode. There's 8 episodes total and that's what they serve up for E6? Pretty much any other series by E6 is doing the ramp up. This felt like an episode you do in the first half of the series. The showrunner I believe at one time said they had ideas for more seasons. I'm not sure they have enough for 1. Do a series like Echo which was 6 episodes, and it felt much better than this. 

In fairness, Echo was more episodes but they edited it down to 5 to fix pacing issues.

 

Edited July 10 by Ghost

[ZacKing]

On 7/5/2024 at 9:01 AM, Bionic_Flea said:

The whole concept of Star Trek as conceived by Roddenberry would be categorized as "woke" today.  All races, ethnicities, nationalities, and sexes (though not gender initially) work together to explore the universe and the Earth is an egalitarian paradise with no scarcity or pollution.

 

There is a huge difference between how these ideas were presented on TOS and how the same concepts are presented today.  Watch episodes like "The Save Curtain" and pay close attention to Uhura's reaction to the words Lincoln uses.  Uhura didn't know what he was talking about and asked why would she be offended by what he said after he apologized.  If tht were written today, she'd have launched into a 30 minute diatribe about slavery, oppression, how men are keeping her down, calling Lincoln ever -ist word in the book, etc. 

[Without_Pause]

3 hours ago, Ghost said:

In fairness, Echo was more episodes but they edited it down to 5 to fix pacing issues.

 

And? You prove my point.

[Triumphant]

I'm still watching (and enjoying) the show.  My main concern with it at this point, is the same concern I have with most of these 8 episode series by the time we hit episode 6:  How are they going to neatly wrap up and resolve the story in 2 episodes?

 

They always do it, of course- but usually not as satisfactorily as I would like.  I do wish we could get series that run at least a dozen episodes.  I realize that ye-days-of-old, where an average TV series would run a couple dozen (or more) episodes a year are now a relic of my hoary, old past-  but at least give us a solid dozen, for crying out loud.

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

And? You prove my point.

Didn’t even realize we were having an argument.

 

[Without_Pause]

Season Ender. That was hardly wrapped up neatly. I liked the episode. It still feels decent but uneven overall.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Ep7 and Season Finale...

Spoiler

• So, we get every perspective on what actually happened. Most of which we knew...
• ...and if there is a Big Damn Moral to this story, it's that the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
• Everybody - Sol, Andara, Mae, Osha, Aniseya, Koril, even Torbin the eejit, did what they thought of by their own lights as The Right Thing. (Presumably this is why the Jedi try not to intervene too much, and are pushed to suppress their emotions.)
• Face/Heel Turn was well telegraphed, not least with the outfit switch, but I didn't expect it to go quite that hard when it happened. That had quite a bit of power the rest of the show's been missing. 
• Sol gets the Batman treatment and becomes the villain they require. Those who know, will know.
• Vernestra: not the villain I was expecting, but again, hiding the truth to try and protect the Order. Not just about Sol, but about Osha, Mae, and her former apprentice.
• Nasty Thing In Cave. Possibly not relevant.
• Season 2 is telegraphed, but to be honest, a little unnecessary. A story has been told, a tragedy of misunderstandings and love and best wishes, and it's left in the right place. Tidy.

 

[Without_Pause]

After minor investigation on my part. the showrunner is open to having another season. It certainly has potential to be even better. 

[Ghost]

2 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

After minor investigation on my part. the showrunner is open to having another season. It certainly has potential to be even better. 

I could be wrong - it was scheduled to have a 2nd, but I think it’s been cancelled.