Captain America: Brave New World

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

 

Yeah it's an outlier. Japan has produced a ton of Godzilla movies, how many were hits here? If it's that simple, we should see a bunch of smash hits coming down from that studio right?

Kinda strange comparison

Previous Godzilla movies were made for kids, and Japan really didn’t have a strategy for US releases.

In fact, Minus One was supposed to follow their usual strategy of a very limited release.  Once it blew up - they extended how long and how many theaters it would play in.

 

Regardless, it doesn’t take away the fact that they were able to put out a huge hit on a modest budget.

[Troo]

I am looking forward to seeing Brave New World today (before it exits the theater Thursday). 

My expectations are tempered and I am hoping there are only a few in attendance.

 

 

On 3/1/2025 at 6:42 PM, biostem said:

IMHO, it started around phase three.  Which movies from the first 2 phases do you think weren't good?  Thor the Dark World jumps out as the worst of the bunch, but compared to films in the later phases?  They're still better overall...

 

While you are asking Battlewraith, I'll chime in with The Incredible Hulk (2008) was my least favorite.

 

I 100% agree with your solid point; phase one and two were full of pretty good can't miss stuff. Even phase three.

Consumers might need to get acclimated to a reality where these settle at certain level with the occasional big hit. Not everyone is going to like Deadpool or Dr Strange and thats okay.

[ZacKing]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

Yeah it's an outlier. Japan has produced a ton of Godzilla movies, how many were hits here? If it's that simple, we should see a bunch of smash hits coming down from that studio right?

 

6 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Kinda strange comparison

 

You're still not getting it.

 

How have international/independent/arthouse filmmakers and studios been able to make good movies at a fraction of what Hollywood does?  If you need more examples, Google is your friend here.

 

https://www.buzzfeed.com/bendzialdowski/low-budget-films-box-office-success

https://collider.com/best-low-budget-films-into-blockbusters/

https://www.wrapbook.com/blog/low-budget-films

https://movieweb.com/low-budget-movies-made-millions-at-box-office/

 

No one is suggesting that this means a studio or filmmaker who made one box office hit means they have to repeat that success with every project they are involved with.  I'm not looking for multi-billion dollar box office smash hits from the MCU every film either.  The quality of the films has progressively gotten worse while the budgets have gone up.  Something isn't working right there and it's not a crime for people to discuss that. 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Regardless, it doesn’t take away the fact that they were able to put out a huge hit on a modest budget.

 

Correct.

 

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

I am looking forward to seeing Brave New World today (before it exits the theater Thursday). 

My expectations are tempered and I am hoping there are only a few in attendance.

 

 

 

While you are asking Battlewraith, I'll chime in with The Incredible Hulk (2008) was my least favorite.

 

I 100% agree with your solid point; phase one and two were full of pretty good can't miss stuff. Even phase three.

Consumers might need to get acclimated to a reality where these settle at certain level with the occasional big hit. Not everyone is going to like Deadpool or Dr Strange and thats okay.

I so wanted to give you a thumbs up - but couldn’t since you dissed one of my favorite.  The Incredible Hulk!

[battlewraith]

2 hours ago, Ghost said:

Kinda strange comparison

Previous Godzilla movies were made for kids, and Japan really didn’t have a strategy for US releases.

In fact, Minus One was supposed to follow their usual strategy of a very limited release.  Once it blew up - they extended how long and how many theaters it would play in.

 

Regardless, it doesn’t take away the fact that they were able to put out a huge hit on a modest budget.

 

Maybe the ones I grew up with were made for kids. There have been general audience movies made since then, I even saw one in the theater when I lived there. 

I don't think that anyone is arguing that huge hits haven't been made on modest budgets. The thing that doesn't follow, or at least hasn't been established, is that studios therefore should not invest heavily in big budget movies. 

[battlewraith]

2 hours ago, ZacKing said:

No one is suggesting that this means a studio or filmmaker who made one box office hit means they have to repeat that success with every project they are involved with.  I'm not looking for multi-billion dollar box office smash hits from the MCU every film either.  The quality of the films has progressively gotten worse while the budgets have gone up.  Something isn't working right there and it's not a crime for people to discuss that. 

 

It's not a crime but it's entirely subjective speculation about how big players in an industry are conducting their business. Based on whether you approve of the quality of certain films, whether you feel their budget was warranted, etc. I suspect the head honchos at Disney, or any large company, expect to have periods where they face reduced profits and they course correct. It might simply be the case that people are tired of superhero films. Or there are external issues at play that are affecting production--writer's strikes, actors aging out or passing away, etc. But the notion that other studios, with different budgets/goals/business models/etc. have periodic successes and that means Marvel studios have some sinister dysfunction at play is just silly. 

[Ghost]

38 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

Maybe the ones I grew up with were made for kids. There have been general audience movies made since then, I even saw one in the theater when I lived there. 

I don't think that anyone is arguing that huge hits haven't been made on modest budgets. The thing that doesn't follow, or at least hasn't been established, is that studios therefore should not invest heavily in big budget movies. 

They can spend what they want.

Its just not a guarantee it will make them any money or even be a hit.

Minus One is just brought up to say - see, a big time Hollywood looking movie can be made without spending big time Hollywood money.  That’s all.

[ZacKing]

23 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

But the notion that other studios, with different budgets/goals/business models/etc. have periodic successes and that means Marvel studios have some sinister dysfunction at play is just silly. 

 

Still not getting it.

[Glacier Peak]

I asked someone about this movie and they told me what they thought. I think I'll wait for it to come out on Disneyplus. The movie going experience is not anywhere near what it was when I was a youngster - my needs as a customer have changed and the movie theater chains I go to have a specific target audience they want to maximize their profit from.

 

And that's totally cool with me.

 

As a consumer, when I don't like a change in a product I've been consuming, I can make a choice to stop consuming it.

 

Here's a comparison I think it's appropriate - I think asking Arby's to give me their business expenses and revenue information so that I could make an informed decision on whether to order the ham with cheese or a deli sandwich is strange.

 

They already tell me the ingredients, how many calories each item contains, what they pay their employees, etc.

 

I ask myself, "am I hungry enough to pay for this product or do I want to spend less for something else."

 

If the product doesn't meet the individuals needs, they're going to go elsewhere (at least in free markets). 

 

Hopefully the detour to a comparison like food isn't lost on the discussion about a movie. 

[Ulysses Dare]

21 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

I was saying recast from day one.  From what I read, Chadwick said to recast too.

 

But I remember LOTS AND LOTS of people saying how disrespectful it would be to recast a character.  So much whining at the idea of recasting.

This drove me up the wall. After he died, I looked up Mr. Boseman's filmography. Before he took on the role of T'Challa, he played a whole host of characters including Thurgood Marshall and Jackie Robinson. From all appearances, he was a solid character actor and would almost certainly have endorsed "the show must go on".