Ridiculous Girl Posted August 18 Share Posted August 18 i was on my marine affinity/water defender, Buttery Justice, and while looking through my combat attributes i noticed a slight difference with the toxic defense, a +0.46% difference. barrier reef is supposed to give a fixed +def to all defences and i, for the life of me, cannot figure out whether this is a display bug or some hidden +def toxic that i am getting from another source. i checked another alt, a necro/MA MM and they did not have this slight difference in combat attributes. i included my powers list just to show that i have no other sources for this +def toxic. i figured i would drop this here, and maybe someone can tell me what it is. 🙂 "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "وطن المرء ليس مكان ولادته و لكنه المكان الذي تنتهي فيه كل محاولاته للهروب” (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purrfekshawn Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 It's not only Barrier Reef, everything on Masterminds gives extra Toxic Defense, not sure if it's intended or it's a glitch, because Toxic Defense used not to exist. To keep this game safe, We have to give it to the world. Arc ID #13097 - Archvillain Beatdown, try it out! Arc ID #21066 - Archvillain Beatdown - Past Edition! Letz now talk about existing Incarnate Lore Pets: https://forums.homecomingservers.com/topic/50351-incarnate-lore-pets-look-through-fix-and-improve/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridiculous Girl Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 ok, since i last posted, i leveled up two my other marine affinity alts... now i swear that my necro/MA MM did not have the different toxic defense when he was lvl 28, but now that he is level 30 and i added two slots to barrier reef and two extra +def SOs, it is now giving me the same thing. this is despite while looking in the enhancement manage page giving the correct stats. My level 28 arsenal/MA controller shows no difference in toxic defence. so far... here she has no SOs slotted yet, but when i put in a lvl 30 there was no change between +def stats. "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "وطن المرء ليس مكان ولادته و لكنه المكان الذي تنتهي فيه كل محاولاته للهروب” (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honoroit Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 it sort of makes sense... woosh... barrier reef.... woosh wave noises.... tidal stuff... wash away the horrible toxin into the sewers... woosh... where does all the toxin in the water drain away to? perez park. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridiculous Girl Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 so, i went ahead and recreated Buttery Justice on the test server. i gave him the auto-level to 50 and vaguely recreated the process of leveling up, approximating what i would do in normal leveling. with exception that at levels 23, 25, and 27, i six slotted barrier reef and filled it in at those levels with def SOs, to see what effects they had. I also added the alpha, agilty core paragon for the +def. at level 22, with no SO slotted in there is no difference. nor is there a difference with 1 SO slotted in. Spoiler at level 23, with three slots, but only 2 SOs added, no difference either. it was only when i added a 3rd SO, that there was a difference. Spoiler Same with levels 25 and 27, with 5 slots and six slots with SOs. Spoiler and the same finally with level 50 and an Agility Core incarnate added Spoiler i did not try maxxing out the most possible defense for barrier reef, with like say 6 slotted with boosted generic IOs, just to see how much i could squeeze out. nor did i test to see if it was a def % threshold that was surpassed that started adding in extra +def for toxic. that would be easy to test i think... just so, something is screwy here and i have not quite figured out what it is. 🙂 "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "وطن المرء ليس مكان ولادته و لكنه المكان الذي تنتهي فيه كل محاولاته للهروب” (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 10 minutes ago, Ridiculous Girl said: it was only when i added a 3rd SO, that there was a difference. That was enough information for me to figure it out. The Toxic Defense portion isn't respecting Enhancement Diversification values. Base Defense for this power as a defender is 7%. Three +0 SOs enhances the power by 60%, but ED reduces that to 56%. 7 * 1.56 = 10.92 7 * 1.60 = 11.20 It's not ED capping on Toxic. Don't know why, but that's what's going on. 1 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridiculous Girl Posted August 19 Author Share Posted August 19 10 minutes ago, Luminara said: That was enough information for me to figure it out. The Toxic Defense portion isn't respecting Enhancement Diversification values. Base Defense for this power as a defender is 7%. Three +0 SOs enhances the power by 60%, but ED reduces that to 56%. 7 * 1.56 = 10.92 7 * 1.60 = 11.20 It's not ED capping on Toxic. Don't know why, but that's what's going on. i think i was coming to that conclusion, but i had not gotten there. i think that is exactly what the problem is. 🙂 "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "وطن المرء ليس مكان ولادته و لكنه المكان الذي تنتهي فيه كل محاولاته للهروب” (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glacier Peak Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 Is Toxic Defense a relatively new typed defense? I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Ronin Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 1 minute ago, Glacier Peak said: Is Toxic Defense a relatively new typed defense? Yeah. It was introduced in... I want to say Issue 27, Page Two. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridiculous Girl Posted August 20 Author Share Posted August 20 11 hours ago, Luminara said: It's not ED capping on Toxic. Don't know why, but that's what's going on. there is something going on in the combat attributes, because i decided to look at the same alt and add in the maneuvers power with 3 +def SOs, since that gives +def (all), and i got the same result for +def (toxic). it does not show in the manage screen, but does in the combat attributes screen. maneuvers with two SOs... Spoiler and maneuvers with 3 SOs Spoiler so, combat attributes is simply not factoring in ED for def (toxic)... 😎 "I'm not crazy, my reality is just different than yours" the Cheshire Cat "Ce n'est rien de mourir; c'est affreux de ne pas vivre" (It's nothing to die, it's terrible not to live) Jean Valjean "وطن المرء ليس مكان ولادته و لكنه المكان الذي تنتهي فيه كل محاولاته للهروب” (Home is not where you were born, home is where all your attempts to escape cease.) Naguib Mahfouz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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