Thought Experiment: The 7th Slot

[tidge]

1 hour ago, Snarky said:

not according to my weird slotting.  I chase odd bonuses.  Take +range bonuses.  Say you are running an electric Blaster.  You could 2 slot bombardment. (probably acc/dam/end/rech or acc/end/rech) + PROC, getting +5% range.

 

I used to think about trying to get the global Range bonus from 2xBombardment, but I always pass on it:

• It won't be there below level 25 (if attuned)
• It is only 5%
• It will affect all powers; usually I slot range in the shorter-range powers specifically to get the various ranged attacks relatively close to one another

If there is a specific 2-piece set bonus I want in ranged AoE, I'm usually choosing Annihilation... but typically I'm either completely franken-slotting the power or getting a more complete set bonus.

[Snarky]

54 minutes ago, tidge said:

 

I used to think about trying to get the global Range bonus from 2xBombardment, but I always pass on it:

• It won't be there below level 25 (if attuned)
• It is only 5%
• It will affect all powers; usually I slot range in the shorter-range powers specifically to get the various ranged attacks relatively close to one another

If there is a specific 2-piece set bonus I want in ranged AoE, I'm usually choosing Annihilation... but typically I'm either completely franken-slotting the power or getting a more complete set bonus.

I rabidly chase range bonuses on certain characters.  Getting the +25% from sets and +20% from intuition alpha makes a giant difference 

[Lines]

7-slot brawl.

[Psyonico]

1 hour ago, Snarky said:

I rabidly chase range bonuses on certain characters.  Getting the +25% from sets and +20% from intuition alpha makes a giant difference 

I have a blaster that I have barely played that the entire goal was "sniper" so I went /EM for boost range and split up the one blaster ATO that gives range as a bonus.

 

I'm now wondering if I had planned on slotting bombardment for the range as well.

[JasperStone]

7th Slot ... should be a pub or a Super Group

[Heliphyn34u]

Adding a 7th slot would be great for adding in procs without sacrificing the final bonuses from having a full set of 6 in a power, but if adding slots was made possible/available, I'd personally rather be able to earn additional slots for powers I haven't already 6-slotted.  Getting one additional slot after 100 post-50 levels, then maybe one more at 250, then one last one at 500 would be awesome!  It won't happen, but it would be a fun goal to work toward.  I'm not sure how something like that would affect game balance (which is why I don't think it would happen), but there are certainly some ATs that are more slot-starved than others (aka HEATs and VEATs).  IF something like that were implemented, it would probably have to be "100 levels from whatever Vet level you are now" so that everyone is starting from the same point at time of implementation.  Which, again, won't happen.

 

Regarding KB to KD, I think it would be nice if another Alpha power was added that included that.  There are some toons I wouldn't use that on, because sometimes I like having one ST KB power while changing my AoE KBs to KD, but there are others I would absolutely use that on.

 

[Snarky]

32 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

I have a blaster that I have barely played that the entire goal was "sniper" so I went /EM for boost range and split up the one blaster ATO that gives range as a bonus.

 

I'm now wondering if I had planned on slotting bombardment for the range as well.

to be honest with the +45% range bonuses I rack up on my long range Blasters.... it is enough.  The cones get really sweet.  even 40' cones cover 60'  60 get 90, more than a typical ST blast.  The longer range attacks just reach everywhere.  AR/Devices with +45% range is a murder machine.  

[tidge]

2 hours ago, Snarky said:

I rabidly chase range bonuses on certain characters.  Getting the +25% from sets and +20% from intuition alpha makes a giant difference 

 

If you are already at five +5% range from enhancement sets, the sixth won't do anything.

[Snarky]

20 minutes ago, tidge said:

 

If you are already at five +5% range from enhancement sets, the sixth won't do anything.

right, but it is NOT easy to get there.  really.  either you have too few (or just enough) ranged AoE/Sniper attacks, or your other build goals are against using the slots that way.

[tidge]

32 minutes ago, Snarky said:

right, but it is NOT easy to get there.  really.  either you have too few (or just enough) ranged AoE/Sniper attacks, or your other build goals are against using the slots that way.

 

Sure, but if this is "one more +5% range", then my point is that it is only +5% range... and that these global range bonuses don't do anything to help even out the (generally) short ranges of cones with the typically longer ranged attacks. If the set has a PBAoE nuke, then the range boosts can end up working against the Blaster.

 

Mileage varies of course.

[Snarky]

29 minutes ago, tidge said:

 

Sure, but if this is "one more +5% range", then my point is that it is only +5% range... and that these global range bonuses don't do anything to help even out the (generally) short ranges of cones with the typically longer ranged attacks. If the set has a PBAoE nuke, then the range boosts can end up working against the Blaster.

 

Mileage varies of course.

Okay, take it from someone who uses a LOT of cones.  This works

 

but saying this one bonus is unimportant is like telling a Dom this one recharge bonus is unimportant. They all add up and it is almost an art to squeeze them all on and still hit your other build goals.  
 

yes, it is just one +5% range.  Each journey is made up of single footsteps 

[tidge]

6 minutes ago, Snarky said:

Okay, take it from someone who uses a LOT of cones.  This works

 

I also use a LOT of cones; I prefer to slot single Accuracy/Range instead of maybe just +5% from a Bombardment 2-piece... even if that one is global (for the reasons I mentioned above)

[Snarky]

11 minutes ago, tidge said:

 

I also use a LOT of cones; I prefer to slot single Accuracy/Range instead of maybe just +5% from a Bombardment 2-piece... even if that one is global (for the reasons I mentioned above)

As a suggestion, try getting the +25% enhancement bonus and the intuition alpha +20% and sling some cones around.  It is a dramatic difference…

[tidge]

On one of my pure ranged Blasters: The shortest ranged attack is 50' range, with two 60' attacks. It has four 70' attacks, five 80' attacks, and one 90' attacks.

 

The difference between the longest range attack and the shortest is 40'.

2 minutes ago, Snarky said:

As a suggestion, try getting the +25% enhancement bonus and the intuition alpha +20% and sling some cones around.  It is a dramatic difference…

 

The difference between the longest and shortest would then be 45% greater (because algebra), which *I* don't like.

 

It is easier to get reach the target cap with range-boosted cones, but I don't see nearly as much bang-for-the slots chasing a global +25% via the Bombardment set. I simply boost the range of the cones.

[Snarky]

53 minutes ago, tidge said:

On one of my pure ranged Blasters: The shortest ranged attack is 50' range, with two 60' attacks. It has four 70' attacks, five 80' attacks, and one 90' attacks.

 

The difference between the longest range attack and the shortest is 40'.

 

The difference between the longest and shortest would then be 45% greater (because algebra), which *I* don't like.

 

It is easier to get reach the target cap with range-boosted cones, but I don't see nearly as much bang-for-the slots chasing a global +25% via the Bombardment set. I simply boost the range of the cones.

Or dont try it.  

[Luminara]

6 hours ago, JasperStone said:

7th Slot ... should be a pub or a Super Group

 

Brothel.

[mechahamham]

On 11/20/2024 at 11:14 PM, SeraphimKensai said:

No hypothetical needed. There used to be a bug that allowed PBs to get infinite slots, to the point someone one shorted Hami 

 

The player base and original dev team unanimously agreed having more than 6 slots in a power was a bad idea.

 

"How... how many slots DO you have in [Brawl]?"

[Techwright]

15 hours ago, Lines said:

7-slot brawl.

 

Side note:  you just reminded me of one of the more interesting player-driven aspects of the old MMO Tabula Rasa.  They had Friday Night Fights, where players would square off using that game's equivalent of brawl and try to defeat their opponent using only it, and some fancy dodging footwork.  I found it surprisingly entertaining.

 

6 hours ago, mechahamham said:

 

"How... how many slots DO you have in [Brawl]?"

 

Let's just say they now go by the name "One Punch Man".

[TheMoneyMaker]

There was always a plan to add more incarnate powers but they never got to develop further. If adding more slots for the benefit of IOs is what's being asked, what about a new incarnate power that's an "Auto" power that has no real effect but can accept IOs of any set. Tier 1 gives you 3 slots and then you get an additional slot for tier 2, 3, and 4. It gives you room to add one whole set of your choice or you can frankenslot it however you like. The enhancements wouldn't apply % bonus to anything, it would be entirely for the added set bonus(es).