A little more post-20 Praetorian content please (and maybe some pre-20 Praetorian content)

[sponazgul]

I just got my Praetorian Loyalist character to level 41 - it happened after forming a team including Prime Earthers who wanted to fight ghosts and demonic winged women and drudges in Night Ward, an got to thanks to my two repeatable contacts (Sir Whats-His-Name and the Drudge Atherton.)

 

When I hit 41, those contacts dropped off my Active list, and now there's just DJ Zero offering me a chance to punch Snaptooth, and Marchand offering me a chance to exit Praetoria (that cowardly surrender-monkey Marchand.)

 

My goal is to get this character to 50 as a Goldsider (I've done that with at least one other character who started in Praetoria) but my plan is to keep him as Praetorian. Yes yes, I know I won't be able to go on iTrials and I'm missing out on all those Task Forces and teaming on Prime Earth, but I have other characters for that.

 

But what I'd like is for there to be some contacts, even just repeatable contacts like Atherton and the Black Knight, in the 41+ range. I would like to encourage young Goldsiders to join me in tough missions and even those bluesiders and redsiders to join in like I just had going before hitting 41.

 

(And I'd love anything to help me get my guy to 50 in Praetoria, and things to do when I'm 50.)

 

People often talk about Goldside being a ghost town, and that's fair, but I think the way to keep it that way is to never develop anything new for it. Having something like a low-level task force or trial that required a Praetorian to host would encourage more people to create a Praetorian or visit Praetoria. And I think that there's opportunities to provide for folks who are sticking around Praetoria, even if it's just to get that badge for getting a Praetoria at 50.

 

Ideally, I'd like there to be a level 41+ Task Force for Praetorians which ends up abducting Positron (to match nicely with Maria Jenkins' arc.)

 

Is it worth it to make new content for a ghost town? Maybe? I see a fair amount of people who have made characters in Praetoria complaining that they have no one to team with - much of the Goldside content is solo focused I feel - so having teamable events might bring more people to play Praetorians.

 

I'd love for there to be a task force trying to stop the Praetorian Hamidon - he's the big bad of Praetoria after all, but Praetorians don't really get to fight the Devouring Earth. The Prime Earth heroes of Paragon get to when they do the Chimera mission from Maria Jenkins. Why should they get all the fun?

[Lunar Ronin]

I am all for post level 20 gold side content.  I have asked a couple of times for a co-op level 25+ TF in First Ward.  I'm not quite sold on additional content below level 20 though, considering how much there already is.

 

Also, just so you are aware, Praetorian characters can join Incarnate trials.  They just have to be formed in a zone that they access to, which is the kicker.  They're ran in Pocket D on Indomitable and in Echo Plaza on Reunion, so no problem on either of those shards.  It's Excelsior and Everlasting that are the issues.

[sponazgul]

I'm on Excelsior - if I get to 50 and can advertise iTrials in the neutral zones (Echo Plaza is a good call), I will 100% do that. @Lunar Ronin, you are a friend to Praetoria!

 

I agree that there's a good amount of pre-20 content, but sometimes folks make a Praetorian and YOU KNOW HOW IT IS - get buyer's remorse and want to get to 20 and off to Prime Earth. But I just think it would be fun to have something else to do. My post-20 Praetorian would be happy to join in on Goldside youngsters running a trial.

[BrandX]

1 hour ago, sponazgul said:

I just got my Praetorian Loyalist character to level 41 - it happened after forming a team including Prime Earthers who wanted to fight ghosts and demonic winged women and drudges in Night Ward, an got to thanks to my two repeatable contacts (Sir Whats-His-Name and the Drudge Atherton.)

 

When I hit 41, those contacts dropped off my Active list, and now there's just DJ Zero offering me a chance to punch Snaptooth, and Marchand offering me a chance to exit Praetoria (that cowardly surrender-monkey Marchand.)

 

My goal is to get this character to 50 as a Goldsider (I've done that with at least one other character who started in Praetoria) but my plan is to keep him as Praetorian. Yes yes, I know I won't be able to go on iTrials and I'm missing out on all those Task Forces and teaming on Prime Earth, but I have other characters for that.

 

But what I'd like is for there to be some contacts, even just repeatable contacts like Atherton and the Black Knight, in the 41+ range. I would like to encourage young Goldsiders to join me in tough missions and even those bluesiders and redsiders to join in like I just had going before hitting 41.

 

(And I'd love anything to help me get my guy to 50 in Praetoria, and things to do when I'm 50.)

 

People often talk about Goldside being a ghost town, and that's fair, but I think the way to keep it that way is to never develop anything new for it. Having something like a low-level task force or trial that required a Praetorian to host would encourage more people to create a Praetorian or visit Praetoria. And I think that there's opportunities to provide for folks who are sticking around Praetoria, even if it's just to get that badge for getting a Praetoria at 50.

 

Ideally, I'd like there to be a level 41+ Task Force for Praetorians which ends up abducting Positron (to match nicely with Maria Jenkins' arc.)

 

Is it worth it to make new content for a ghost town? Maybe? I see a fair amount of people who have made characters in Praetoria complaining that they have no one to team with - much of the Goldside content is solo focused I feel - so having teamable events might bring more people to play Praetorians.

 

I'd love for there to be a task force trying to stop the Praetorian Hamidon - he's the big bad of Praetoria after all, but Praetorians don't really get to fight the Devouring Earth. The Prime Earth heroes of Paragon get to when they do the Chimera mission from Maria Jenkins. Why should they get all the fun?

 

But, you can go on iTrials!  My Level 50 Praetorian has gone on iTrials.  I've formed my own and if they weren't formed in Pocket D, I would try to form others as joining one's in progress, gotten a few.

 

My pure praetorian is a Katana/Fire Armor Brute, so after I got up there in levels and thinking "Okay, I've gone through all the Praetorian story arcs I can, what now..." I was lucky to go "Wait, I'm a Fire Armor Brute...fire farm!"

 

Also, did you do fireball and trilogy contacts?  Just double checking there for you 🙂

 

That said, I would love a Praetorian TF even if low level 🙂

[DrIlluminatis]

 

Only thing that you're Locked out of as a Praetorian is the MSR.

 

As for a Praetorian TF, it should be around lvl 15, since you get the option at 20 to go to Primal Earth.

The problem with doing a PTF, is the Loyalist / Insurrectionist tags on the characters. It'd have to be something that could fit lore wise, so it would need to be stopping some group from Destroying the city. So it wouldn't matter if you were in either faction as both don't want the city to go boom.

[sponazgul]

2 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

But, you can go on iTrials!  My Level 50 Praetorian has gone on iTrials.  I've formed my own and if they weren't formed in Pocket D, I would try to form others as joining one's in progress, gotten a few.

 

My pure praetorian is a Katana/Fire Armor Brute, so after I got up there in levels and thinking "Okay, I've gone through all the Praetorian story arcs I can, what now..." I was lucky to go "Wait, I'm a Fire Armor Brute...fire farm!"

 

Also, did you do fireball and trilogy contacts?  Just double checking there for you 🙂

 

That said, I would love a Praetorian TF even if low level 🙂

 

acknowledged on the iTrials! Thanks

[sponazgul]

1 hour ago, DrIlluminatis said:

 

Only thing that you're Locked out of as a Praetorian is the MSR.

 

As for a Praetorian TF, it should be around lvl 15, since you get the option at 20 to go to Primal Earth.

The problem with doing a PTF, is the Loyalist / Insurrectionist tags on the characters. It'd have to be something that could fit lore wise, so it would need to be stopping some group from Destroying the city. So it wouldn't matter if you were in either faction as both don't want the city to go boom.

 

You have the option to go to Prime Earth at 20, but you don't have to. The blueside game is full of combat against up to level 54 Praetorians, which is why I'd be happy to be part of an abduct Positron Task Force.

 

As for Lore reasons for Loyalists and Resistance teaming (you can still team cross-faction in the regular game Goldside, there is no functional problem since it is assumed a Resistance person is being a double-agent, and vice versa for Loyalists) - I'd assume both sides would not want Hamidon to take over, as a basis for a Task Force. Much like the villain/hero divide is ignored in the RWZ, in Cimerora, and any iTrial launched from a neutral area. 

 

I'm confused by the only thing a Praetorian is locked out of, because they are locked out of all redside/blueside content that involves them being in those zones, same for the Shadow Shard, same for PVP zones. My Praetorian can't be on an ITF.

 

[BrandX]

4 hours ago, sponazgul said:

 

You have the option to go to Prime Earth at 20, but you don't have to. The blueside game is full of combat against up to level 54 Praetorians, which is why I'd be happy to be part of an abduct Positron Task Force.

 

As for Lore reasons for Loyalists and Resistance teaming (you can still team cross-faction in the regular game Goldside, there is no functional problem since it is assumed a Resistance person is being a double-agent, and vice versa for Loyalists) - I'd assume both sides would not want Hamidon to take over, as a basis for a Task Force. Much like the villain/hero divide is ignored in the RWZ, in Cimerora, and any iTrial launched from a neutral area. 

 

I'm confused by the only thing a Praetorian is locked out of, because they are locked out of all redside/blueside content that involves them being in those zones, same for the Shadow Shard, same for PVP zones. My Praetorian can't be on an ITF.

 

 

The idea was always that gold side was start storyline zone, and wasn't it the only way to move ATs that were blue or red side originally?  I can't recall.

 

But things did change and I do think they could make a TF that forms somewhere in Praetoria or Pocket D, could be done that allows Praetorians to run 🙂

[Rudra]

31 minutes ago, BrandX said:

and wasn't it the only way to move ATs that were blue or red side originally? 

No. Gold side was added to give players an optional higher difficulty than normal play experience that also happened to give players a look at how Praetoria worked beyond what little glimpses we saw from the blue side story arcs.

[twozerofoxtrot]

6 hours ago, sponazgul said:

My Praetorian can't be on an ITF.

 

Truly?

 

Go to the Mansion in Night Ward for the badge and you can't LFG Teleport to Imperious?

[sponazgul]

48 minutes ago, twozerofoxtrot said:

 

Truly?

 

Go to the Mansion in Night Ward for the badge and you can't LFG Teleport to Imperious?

 

Truly, I cannot do an ITF.

 

Bringing up the LFG tab, in the Task Force section nothing shows up (so the Imperious TF isn't there for me to use as a teleport to Imperious. (I do have the badge.) Cimerora is out of bounds because Praetorians can't enter Prime Earth areas.

 

Although I can do the Cathedral of Pain (I assume because it is in the Shadow Shard and not the Prime Earth dimension) in the Trials and Raid section, I otherwise can't teleport to FBZ for the Shadow Shard TFs, although that might be because I'm a Loyalist and that's considered a villain while in Pocket D, and villains are excluded from Shadow Shard shard content. Maybe a Resistance Praetorian who never left Praetoria, and is of a high-enough level can do Shadow Shard task forces, maybe.

 

Thankfully, I can do the Summer Blockbuster all the time, and the House of Horror event in October (for some reason.)

[sponazgul]

3 hours ago, BrandX said:

 

The idea was always that gold side was start storyline zone, and wasn't it the only way to move ATs that were blue or red side originally?  I can't recall.

 

But things did change and I do think they could make a TF that forms somewhere in Praetoria or Pocket D, could be done that allows Praetorians to run 🙂

 

If I recall correctly, Praetoria as a player environment was introduced as part the Going Rogue expansion, which included the Alignment Change tip missions, so the villainous archetypes (Brutes, Corrupters, etc) didn't have to start in Praetoria and come over, they could become Rogues using the alignment tips and then come over to blueside (same for heroes becoming vigilantes.)

 

So it was related, but goldside was introduced as a kind of higher-difficultly starter. (I think I have those details right.)

 

And then they just opened up all the archetypes for both sides in a later issue.

[TheMoneyMaker]

Praetorians are awful. If you see any on Primal Earth, arrest them.

[Rudra]

2 minutes ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Praetorians are awful. If you see any on Primal Earth, arrest them.

What if they have converted to Primals?

[Darmian]

I've got (so far) three trilogies of Praetorian material in the form of AEs set between levels 19 and 25 (Crusader, Warden and Power) with some shading into the events of the Praetorian War.  Details in my signature.  They're all designed to be as close to canon as possible.

 

I'd write more set from 25 up if we had ANY maps for First Ward and Night Ward. We don't.

 

I've notes on a final pre War trilogy for Loyalist Responsibility and that will arrive...whenever! 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Darmian

[Darmian]

20 hours ago, sponazgul said:

Yes yes, I know I won't be able to go on iTrials

I've mained my Praetorian (in pic) Kameron Daniels and she hit 50 in 2020. Still Pure Gold and providing you can start from anywhere in Praetoria (bar one spot¹), Echo Plaza or Pocket D then you CAN do iTrials AND Cathedral of Pain.  Not to mention most of the seasonal events (excluding Red Widow and so on).

 

EDIT: Blah, really should fully read all above posts before writing and repeating things.

 

^1. Last Bastion is annoying. The only place in Praetoria a true Praetorian can't go. And it's a bad map.

Edited 23 hours ago by Darmian

[jkwak]

while we are at it, Gold side TFs pre lvl 20, maybe even a Gold side alternative for DFB ... same badges different enemy groups, there are good alternatives in Praetoria i think

[Darmian]

Just now, jkwak said:

while we are at it, Gold side TFs pre lvl 20, maybe even a Gold side alternative for DFB ... same badges different enemy groups, there are good alternatives in Praetoria i think

The only danger in that is the XP would push you past many of the contacts so perhaps the levels of the zones should be raised if this is implemented.

[Rudra]

32 minutes ago, Darmian said:

I've mained my Praetorian (in pic) Kameron Daniels and she hit 50 in 2020. Still Pure Gold and providing you can start from anywhere in Praetoria (bar one spot¹), <snip>

 

^1. Last Bastion is annoying. The only place in Praetoria a true Praetorian can't go. And it's a bad map.

It makes sense that your Praetorian character can't access Last Bastion. Your Praetorian character starts in Praetoria (the city) and as far as I can tell, Last Bastion isn't part of the city. Even First Ward is still part of Praetoria (the city), just a part abandoned to Hamidon for dumping people Cole doesn't want. To reach Last Bastion though, your not an incarnate character has to fight his/her/their/its way past incarnate tier Devouring Earth to find a little rinky dink hold out point your character most likely doesn't even know exists that Cole left to be overrun. I'm surprised Reese made his way there without getting turned into an infested.

 

Following the game's story, your character would be present at the fall of Praetoria (the city) making a desperate last stand against an army of Avatars of Hamidon and a fleet of Seeds of Hamidon plus apparently Hamidon himself given all the tentacles and all the infested IDF and Devouring Earth mobs Hamidon had there to throw at them. At which point your character either becomes an NPC Infested, dies, or is evacuated to Primal Earth by either Arachnos or Vanguard (with the Freedom Corps and Portal Corps assistance). So you would still need to go Primal to have access to Last Bastion.

[Darmian]

4 minutes ago, Rudra said:

It makes sense that your Praetorian character can't access Last Bastion. Your Praetorian character starts in Praetoria (the city) and as far as I can tell, Last Bastion isn't part of the city. Even First Ward is still part of Praetoria (the city), just a part abandoned to Hamidon for dumping people Cole doesn't want. To reach Last Bastion though, your not an incarnate character has to fight his/her/their/its way past incarnate tier Devouring Earth to find a little rinky dink hold out point your character most likely doesn't even know exists that Cole left to be overrun. I'm surprised Reese made his way there without getting turned into an infested.

 

Following the game's story, your character would be present at the fall of Praetoria (the city) making a desperate last stand against an army of Avatars of Hamidon and a fleet of Seeds of Hamidon plus apparently Hamidon himself given all the tentacles and all the infested IDF and Devouring Earth mobs Hamidon had there to throw at them. At which point your character either becomes an NPC Infested, dies, or is evacuated to Primal Earth by either Arachnos or Vanguard (with the Freedom Corps and Portal Corps assistance). So you would still need to go Primal to have access to Last Bastion.

I know 😄  But...I want it.  There ya go!  If Reese can get there so can we.  You could have an arc where you have a chance to finally track down Reese and stumble into the main events of Last Bastion.  (There's sideways precedent where Chimera decides to track down Mr. G as opposed to defending Praetoria, except you'd obviously be defending Praetoria). 

 

 

[lemming]

It annoys me to that Number 6's arc isn't accessible for Praetorians.  It would have to be a little different from the Primal start since you'd probably find your way there from First Ward.

You can do Belladonna's though.

 

And occasionally (it's not reliable) you can do a "Board Transit" mission by using Team Transport.  I did a couple badge missions that way with a praetorian.

 

And of course, if you want the Commuter, Shopkeeper, and Pilot badges, you need to do them before you do your last faction swap.

[Championess]

Yes it's a crying shame Praetoria is so underdeveloped.  You can tell the live team had honed their craft by the time that expansion came out.  Hopefully this team gets to carry the torch forward building on such beautifully crafted stuff thats over there. 

 

Truly there should be a few Strike Forces over there.  No to more low content though, there's already so much over there and in the game in general.  But a 30+ and 45+ SF yes please.

 

Some enticement to go over there is in order and what better way than a fun highly rewarding SF or two.  Maybe some Praetorian enhancement sets that only drop from them to see that people dont just go for nostalgia and the content really sticks.

 

*Also maybe for these SFs having a Praetorian born character on your team could net you some kind of extra rewarding thing like the special Vanguard fight on Aeon.

Edited 21 hours ago by Championess

[Skyhawke]

Some more content between First and Night Ward would be nice (like a TF). Even using double xp, I finished First Ward recently at 28, but need to be 30 to continue the story arcs in Night Ward. Instead of the 2 levels grinding out Trilogy and the other guys' stuff over and over, it'd be nice to have something more worthwhile to fill in the gap. 

[Rudra]

6 minutes ago, Skyhawke said:

Even using double xp, I finished First Ward recently at 28, but need to be 30 to continue the story arcs in Night Ward.

Okay, my question is: How? Playing solo and not using double xp, I have to be careful that I don't outlevel First Ward before finishing the content. I'm not saying you don't have that happen, but I truly want to know how.

[sponazgul]

2 hours ago, TheMoneyMaker said:

Praetorians are awful. If you see any on Primal Earth, arrest them.

This is probably the correct course of action. And I say that for my Praetorian as well. (A good reason I'm staying in Praetoria.)