Freeze Ray

[Ukase]

So, while working on an ice/ma blaster, it surprised me to discover that Freeze Ray doesn't accept Slow enhancements. I can't wrap my head around the fact I haven't noticed this in the countless hours I've played an ice blaster. But, I also can't wrap my head around the fact that freeze ray doesn't take slow sets. 

I guess, on the one hand, if you're held by a freeze ray, you're not moving, so you're pretty slow. But, on the other hand, for those npcs that resist holds, like AVs and such, that require a lot of mag, no slows for those scenarios. Probably wouldn't notice it anyway - but still, I think it should allow for slow enhancements. 

[FupDup]

Freeze Ray doesn't have a slow effect like the other Ice Blast powers do, which is why it can't slot for slows. 

 

It's a very strange inconsistency, likely due to the power dealing obnoxiously high DPA without even being a snipe attack. Still feels weird though. 

To partially hijack this topic, Sentinel Chilling Ray (Freeze Ray replacement) is the same way in terms of enhancements, but has a 63.8% DPA loss compared to Blaster Freeze Ray, so I think that one could be given the usual slow effect and slow enhancements to make it suck marginally less. 

Edited July 6 by FupDup

[Rudra]

I don't remember Freeze Ray having a slow component to it. Isn't it just a straight hold with damage?

[Scarlet Shocker]

12 hours ago, Rudra said:

I don't remember Freeze Ray having a slow component to it. Isn't it just a straight hold with damage?

 

I think that's what is being pointed out. It's inconsistent with the whole power set.

 

Ice should by definition slow stuff down even if it doesn't fully lock down a powerful opponent.

[Glacier Peak]

Yes! Give me another place to slot Ice Mistral's Chance for Ice Damage!

[Snarky]

the entire ice thang should do slows.  agreed

 

my "dream" combo is ice blast/dark manip corr  but i just cannot get away from this vampire on my back!

[Glacier Peak]

1 hour ago, Snarky said:

the entire ice thang should do slows.  agreed

 

my "dream" combo is ice blast/dark manip corr  but i just cannot get away from this vampire on my back!

Cold Hand of Death 🥶

[Scarlet Shocker]

2 hours ago, Snarky said:

the entire ice thang should do slows.  agreed

 

my "dream" combo is ice blast/dark manip corr  but i just cannot get away from this vampire on my back!

 

That does sound like an interesting combo

 

[Snarky]

1 minute ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

 

That does sound like an interesting combo

 

Ice/dark corr is fully ranged.  It leverages two AoE DoT (one a nuke!) on top of Tar patch.  Solid ST damage.  Fearsome Stare. Darkest Night ranged targeted AoE debuff, and Fluffy.  it is a sweet mix.  add some +range bonuses and intuition alpha for +range/+dam.....  very wicked stand away from combat and F stuff up

[Troo]

25 minutes ago, Snarky said:

Ice/dark corr is fully ranged.  It leverages two AoE DoT (one a nuke!) on top of Tar patch.  Solid ST damage.  Fearsome Stare. Darkest Night ranged targeted AoE debuff, and Fluffy.  it is a sweet mix.  add some +range bonuses and intuition alpha for +range/+dam.....  very wicked stand away from combat and F stuff up

 

Bingo.

Ice/Dark/Soul.. Chef's kiss even on a lower price builds before incarnates.

 

 

Freeze Ray - It's a hold that does cold damage.

Bitter Freeze Ray - Is the hold that does cold damage and slows.

 

[Rudra]

4 hours ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

 

I think that's what is being pointed out. It's inconsistent with the whole power set.

 

Ice should by definition slow stuff down even if it doesn't fully lock down a powerful opponent.

*shrug* If that is the OP's intent, okay. Didn't feel that way to me since the OP didn't ask for a slow component, just the enhancement set. Never bothered me, but guess that makes me odd entity out. After all, it is a Mag 3 Hold on a Blaster that available fairly early in a set that lets my Blaster smack a target with a Mag 6 Hold effect. Mag 9 if I also take Leviathan Mastery. And up to Mag 15 with slotted procs.

 

Hells, Bitter Freeze Ray doesn't take Slow sets either. Most likely because it too is a Hold. Does the game have any Holds that also Slow?

[Ukase]

58 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Didn't feel that way to me since the OP didn't ask for a slow component, just the enhancement set.

What I asked was that it be able to slot slow enhancements. Never said anything about a set. 

[Troo]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

Bitter Freeze Ray

 

Should take Slows. It appears it did take Slows at some point, I have it in builds. Will check in-game.

 

 

Edited July 6 by Troo

[Rudra]

13 minutes ago, Ukase said:

What I asked was that it be able to slot slow enhancements. Never said anything about a set. 

Ok, but if it doesn't have a slow component, and you aren't after the sets, then why do you want it to accept slow enhancements?

[Rudra]

27 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

Should take Slows. It appears it did take Slows at some point, I have it in builds. Will check in-game.

Huh. Just checked in game and it says it does. I sit corrected. My apologies.

 

(Edit: Also saw it has a slow component. Never noticed its slow. So, again, my apologies.)

 

Edited July 6 by Rudra

[Scarlet Shocker]

This sounds like it should be moved to Bug Reports

 

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

This sounds like it should be moved to Bug Reports

 

I disagree. Freeze Ray has no Slow component. So it not accepting such enhancements is hardly a bug.

 

Edited July 6 by Rudra
Edited to remove "t" from "no".

[Ukase]

I think it's not a bug, because it used to take slows (from what Troo posted). Someone decided it shouldn't for some reason. Now, if it said it took slows and didn't, (or vice-versa) that would be a bug for sure. 

Like @Glacier Peak, I would look to slot the Ice Mistral's % damage in there. Was very surprised I couldn't. 

[Rudra]

2 hours ago, Ukase said:

I think it's not a bug, because it used to take slows (from what Troo posted).

That is Bitter Freeze Ray. The same set Hold I shifted to as part of the conversation.

 

2 hours ago, Ukase said:

Like @Glacier Peak, I would look to slot the Ice Mistral's % damage in there. Was very surprised I couldn't. 

 

4 hours ago, Ukase said:

What I asked was that it be able to slot slow enhancements. Never said anything about a set. 

Are you trying to be confusing?

[Ukase]

Not at all. Ice Mistral's set is in the category of slow enhancements. I'm not sure what's confusing about what I stated. 

[Rudra]

14 minutes ago, Ukase said:

Not at all. Ice Mistral's set is in the category of slow enhancements. I'm not sure what's confusing about what I stated. 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Ukase said:

6 hours ago, Rudra said:

Didn't feel that way to me since the OP didn't ask for a slow component, just the enhancement set.

What I asked was that it be able to slot slow enhancements. Never said anything about a set. 

That's what is so confusing. I stated that you were asking to be able to slot slow enhancement sets, not asking for Freeze Ray to get a Slow component added (which would have given it the ability to slot Slow enhancements). You then countered that you had never said anything about a set, just Slow enhancements. Which tells me you only wanted regular slow enhancements. Then you follow up with you had made this thread because you wanted to slot the proc' from Ice Mistral, an enhancement set. So if that had been the reason behind the thread the entire time, then why were you so set on stating you had not mentioned sets when I had pointed out that doing so was what you had seemed to be after? You can't slot the proc' from a set if you can't slot the set. So why did you make that statement implying you had not meant enhancement sets?