Aracknight

Incarnates are arguably easier to get, at least the Incarnate Experience is at least. Theres also a few more power choices in incarnates than there were presunset. But power creep a is not power creep b i guess.

Power creep was out the door on live when we learned how to solo giant monsters and task forces.

My mids rounded it I guess.

No one asked for an overhaul, at least I didn't. I think all anyone wants is to ditch the pre requisite for the third power which has now already been done for all but four power pools.

While politely put, it's still sort of "if you don't like it, leave. And truthfully, I'm considering it.

Don't infer or assume you know what I mean. Given how vehemently you and your cadre of banner waving balance and spirit of the devs cadre disapprove of every idea you dont like as if its your goddamn profession. You all squat in this forum and impose your will, in the name of balance, on anything you dont collectively approve of, with insight you dont have, and then have the audacity to tell me that 2 powers giving more than 3 powers is fair and balanced and fine? Its funny, but i read somewhere that the boards are not the game, and most dont even read them. I wonder how many people would just shrug, break out mids, and figure it the fuck out. I'm not often drive away from things i enjoy. I enjoy city of heroes. Today, im privately grateful that it shutting down for a decade delayed its descent into the toxic land you, and people like you, who rise up to battle, like some fucking crusade, because some gamer doesnt know how wrong they are on the internet. You don't disagree with people, you try to fucking *correct* them.

So, two tiny powers that get defense bonuses in a nondefense based set provide more defense than three powers chosen from a pool that is also not focused on defense is balanced, is this your position? Because people, despite your assertation, take these powers not only for defense, but for set bonuses that those powers take. I'll tell ya what fam, make Travel powers only take Travel sets, and not allow them to take defense sets/procs anymore, since that isn't their focus anyway and i will shut the fuck up about the fighting pool forever.

Ok then should hover and cj not get defense mods because they are in the Flight and Jumping pools, which are also not named the Defense pool?

On my scrapper, Hover gives 1.88 def. Combat jumping gives 1.88 def. Def is additive, 1.88+1.88 =3.76. Weave gives my scrapper 3.75 def, with no added movement. 2 powers gives more def bonus than 3 from fighting to get Weave. This is a better value. You might point out that if i took tough as a pre requisite than the overall protection is greater than hover+ cj, but Tough isnt the pre req, 2 power are. Those could be the, as you've pointed out, the useful boxing and kick. Costs more to get less. Seems legit.

Cool. Delete AE then because everything is already instant AF.

Two powers that i dont want to take, affecting a third power im not taking anyway does in fact have zero value to me.

Please explain how 3 speed powers, including hasten, 3 jumping powers, including combat jumping, 3 sorcery, including mystic bolt, etc etc etc are the same as or equal to boxing and kick. Ranged attack powers, movement, stealth, all things that can be used to be more survivable or even remove you from combat or prevent you from being noticed all available with no pre requisite are considered as weak as boxing and kick? My ass.

You're absolutely right. Fighting won't make you be able to run faster than a car or jump over a building. That's reserved for the ability to turn kinda invisible, Infiltration. Makes much more sense.

Right. Fighters never run long distances(end) or sprints (running) or skip rope or broad or high jump as part of their training. Rocky is a lie. But kudos to the consistency of the small mob of you continuing to wave that flag of shitcanning ideas in the name of your, not our, not the devs, idea of power creep.

Either way it's fucking toxic. OP, yeah, unlock the spear. Unlock everything. I don't need logic to tell me shit about it. If legendary mythic unique goddamn Excalibur is available to literally everyone with titan, ninja, katana, or broad sword, then some dinky npc's spear (or anything else, for that matter) should be good to go.

+1 Whether by accident or design, and without pointing a finger at a single being, there is a lot of fucking gatekeeping on this specific forum. If you don't like an idea, say that. It's not helpful to my or anyone else's day or experience for any of you to go above and beyond with a thousand word screed about how an idea is conpletely out of the question based on your personal knowledge of how things were, are, and allegedly should be. Sometimes ideas are a little overpowered. Sometimes they aren't. Sometimes they are workable. Sometimes they aren't. But I would wager most ideas on this forum come from a place of excitement and love for the game and don't deserve to be shit on in the fashion that some of you are so adept at in the name of the preservation of your enforced internal logic.

I didn't split a power pool into one for punching and one for kicking. I said to rename the Fighting pool to Boxing, and have a power named Boxing that does punching animations, and a power named Kickboxing that does kicking animations. I further wrote that perhaps the Boxing power could do one of four random animations to simulate the four classic boxing punches, and the Kickboxing power could do one of three random animations. Sort of how Brawl will throw from either hand or do a kick. Then I added existing powers to draw those random animations from. Thanks for letting me clarify my idea, and sorry for any misunderstanding.

There's no need for any of this at all.

Why not just rename Fighting to Boxing? Three of the powers are already boxing or boxing terms. We could.... Boxing Kickboxing Tough Weave Sweep Maybe Boxing could have all punching options, and Kick could become Kickboxing with all kicking options. Or a rotating/random attack, sort of how Brawl will switch hands for punches or do a kick when you have something in your hands. Boxing could do either a Jab (Brawl left hand), Cross (Brawl Right hand), Hook (Crippling Axe Kick punch animation), or Uppercut (Cobra Strike alternate) style animation (talking actual boxing punches here, not necessarily power names) and Kickboxing could do Front Kick (Kick), Roundhouse (Thunder Kick), or Side Kick (Crane Kick) animations. I'm sure someone creative could come up with more. I don't even think there would need to be any changes to the powers themselves. Although the Scrapper in me will always want Moar Damage. Digging the Sweep idea from above. for Cross Punch (Cone). Maybe Dragon's Tail animation for a kicking version? Or Storm Kick. Though, I suppose there's twoish of those these days for Storm Kick. I mean the Scrapper one, but the Blaster one could work also. I think there's room to maybe add some +run speed in there as a bonus too, given how much running boxers historically do. But someone will come in and scream "power creep" at me over something like that.

Hmm. A temp or prestige power like jetpack that's wings instead of, well, a jetpack. Power on, wings appear. Power off, wings disappear. I dig it. In b4 power creep argument.

Nerf the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

I disagree. It should be usable on everybody and it should debuff Regen. So that every one of us can Nerf Regen.

Oh. I get it. Like a five legged stool.

+1 to horse heads and tails.