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Looking at this list I can comfortably say I don’t bother with picking cones for AoE purposes if the arc is under 120 degrees. There are a few others I would take like Sweeping Strike, but in those cases only because they’re viable as S/T attacks.

Which melee cone are you having this experience with? Some cones are supposed to primarily function as single target attacks that occasionally hit a bonus target or two. Golden Dragonfly is an example. Some cones you should already be hitting 10 targets no sweat. Arc of Destruction or Frost are examples. I am guessing you have an issue with the ones in the middle of the spectrum that I never really take. Wouldn’t be opposed to tweaks for some of those.

I’ve met some deeply important people to me on Homecoming. To that one guy who wishes Homecoming never existed, kindly go f thineself 🙂

A hit dog will holler! Isn’t that what you always say?

I didn’t say the tinting was rose-colored. But when it comes to biases? You’re the single most predictable voice on this forum.

You definitely have the most tinted glasses here

I think, by now, pretty much everyone here understands that you would rather drink bleach than play CoH.

So much bad faith in one place! Maybe I’ll respond when I’m not on the road, maybe it’s not necessary. Basic points though: (1) I can’t currently study the videos well enough on my phone to tell what Ratch did, but you are out of your fucking mind if you think America’s Angel should be able to do what he did, regardless. (2) No, you don’t want changeling gone. You want it gone if and only if the devs give you all the Kheld buffs you ask for before they fix the exploit. The function of this position is to keep changeling around as long as possible. Final thoughts: saying anything with a 35 second pylon time is comparable to a low end scrapper is something we call a lie.

God I hope no one. Annoying when friends have the audacity to get stuck playing something else.

Obviously the player behind it is going to drive the performance more than the AT / powerset combo, but, all of that being equal, I would pick a Defender over a Controller as a teammate 10 times out of 10.

Nothing in the OP is comparable to Phantom Army, case closed

I’ve added this post to my goodreads list for when I have a few hours

I hear ya but didn’t they *just* push out a change normalizing name colors for those with tags because the color changes were apparently causing confusion?

Another issue I have: A lot of us have a part of the game we don’t like. Someone hates patrol xp. Some people hate inspirations, and everyone hates PvP by now. Neiska probably hates… whatever the polar opposite of triple boxing masterminds is.. One of my quirks that I forgot to mention in this thread is that I do not like custom keybinds and macros. I have finally gotten on board with two, for Teleport and Combat Teleport, but that’s it. I am so disinterested in using binds or macros in any other way that my Dominators are falling out of Domination with my Hasten unclicked, all the time. The macros are ugly at worst, out of place at best even after a custom macroimage, and they don’t recharge. The binds fuck with stuff under the hood and I still can’t figure out how to undo some bind I was given for a 4 star. And this whole AT’s current premise is you take your base offensive performance and then you get to triple it if you’re a heavy bind/macro user? Fuck off with that nonsense. I have Kheldians but they just aren’t getting played right now because I refuse to type in the codes, and people expect you to type in the codes. So yeah add that to my grievance list.

I know that not everyone cares about balance but okay

I’m sure the changeling problem isn’t happening at all because our DPS test is flawed 🙄 my mistake. I’m sure the pylon test results are routinely reversed and 700 DPS players just can’t seem to stay off the ground long enough to complete a mission, and the slow and steady 200 DPS players are really the overperformers. Thanks guys

I think your argument that the actual game isn’t testing so nothing useful can be extrapolated from testing is kind of absurd. Do you seriously think anything other than “controlling for other variables is a completely normal way to collect useful data”? I don’t understand why we should be testing something besides DPS if we’re trying to observe… the variable called DPS.

If the enemies are fighting back you are no longer testing DPS….. if either player is clicking heals or hiding or even moving, DPS is no longer the thing being measured. This is turning out like the time Mez said you can optimize DPS and defenses in the same build simultaneously and instead of providing supporting evidence he just kept challenging me to a radio mission clear time race… which doesn’t…. even…. measure…. DPS…

I don’t understand know what you’re saying. Do you seriously think tested DPS is not correlated with overall performance and that those numbers have no bearing on balance? And can you please tell us what the alternative is for testing DPS? Is there a better standard we’re unaware of? You also brought up survivability as if changelings are doing as much damage as Scrappers and Blasters at the *expense* of survivability, but the exact opposite is true. Kheldians are easily the most durable of that bunch *and* they’re leaving them in the dust on damage. So your argument about what the pylon tests neglect actually works in my favor.

The point of the pylon test is not to capture realistic combat. The point of the pylon test is to isolate a variable. The fact that it ignores other variables is why it is a valuable and good test in the first place.

I'll see what I can find. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rSgjI4tZ19_jLQi3kOjq0phnOC9LlQ-eOjO6O6qm68M/edit?gid=0#gid=0 Division 4 bans temps and signature summons, so I primarily looked at those. Not a fan of including Geas in pylon runs so maybe round those DPS numbers down a smidge. But I see America's Angel and Laucianna both doing obscene numbers in Division 4. Lauci has commented on her DPS on page 1. Clam was close here. He would've needed to record the alleged 62 second run he mentions to pass 700 DPS though. I could've sworn Koopak did some Kheld runs himself but I'm not finding the data anywhere. That's what I got for now I'm going back to work. I recall it being cited that a couple of people outdid changelings with scrappers so changelings must not be that good. IIRC one of the testers mentioned in that post was Ratch. I see Ratch's *Titan Weapons/Bio Armor* scrapper (not exactly the median we were talking about) did not quite beat Lauci in Division 4.

I knew someone would say this but (1) is there any other established alternative for testing S/T DPS? and (2) it’s not like the pylon test’s problems are going to overestimate one AT’s performance and underestimate another - the skew is in the same direction. If it’s apples to apples testing, what better way is there?

Pylon times such as by Lauci and others. If we run every scrapper powerset combo through the same testing parameters, I am comfortable betting money that anyone who thinks that the entire upper half of the scrapper performance spectrum is over 700 DPS is being untruthful. My guess at where that narrative came from? A couple people interested in protecting the exploit managed to barely surpass that bar, with probably a BA/Bio or EM/Bio, and then they decided to wildly exaggerate. As someone with a lot of old pylon test data, I can assure you that 700 DPS is an insane amount of DPS, at least for non-pet classes and standard no temps no geas etc rules, and especially for a class with near Tanker mitigation levels. My understanding of the numbers based on broader testing experience is that 700 DPS puts you far ahead of the median Scrapper or Blaster. Unfortunately you’d have to test a lot of powerset combos to fully demonstrate that whereas the HEATs only have one character to test. But I’ve tested enough high damage characters to know if something is failing the initial smell test.

Maybe just don’t join dogpiles when you haven’t the faintest idea what’s going on

I urge you to learn what the fuck you’re talking about. Considering you didn’t know what a changeling was a few posts ago, I will give you the benefit of the doubt for once and assume you are not a liar.