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It's a strange, defensive way to respond. I never proposed any censorship, but we somehow got 5 pages of people arguing against it. I don't know exactly what that's called... but it's been weird.

Ahh my bad I didn't see that one. Yes, a point black execution shot with one hand of SOME sort would look awesome.

I wonder what happened...

The irony of your post aside... I'm complaining about people taking part in a way that is counterproductive. I'm saying that what they are doing hurts that process.

Oh... I think a dev should say that critiques of ideas based on "dev ability" or "dev time" are stupid, and that people shouldn't do that... assuming the devs agree. I think they do, but I could be wrong. Then the people that don't understand that it's stupid can say "oh, dang... I didn't realize that was stupid" and stop.

For the powerset description I would suggest "It's like Assault Rifle, but way, way cooler." Rock salt as a sleep with that animation is hilarious and awesome. Also your power names makes me believe you know your way around a shotgun irl. If you wanted to get real weird, give it an interruptible melee shot using the dramatic one-handed pistol sniper animation. Is "Bite the Barrel" too crazy? Maybe "Discretion Shot" but if that's too obscure, "Point Blank" I guess.

That is a very good summary.

Lol ok

Lol... this is a weird non sequitur, but it is my opinion. It is my opinion that the discussions here could be better with guidance. The fact that there are threads is just... evidence that there are threads. What would you even compare to draw this conclusion? That's rhetorical, btw. Yes. I'm saying my opinion. I'm saying there's a problem. I'm saying I don't like it. I don't get the preoccupation with "that's your opinion!" anymore than the "I'm allowed!" stance. Ok?

I'm sure... but we're not employees in that field and we're not defending our ideas against people with knowledge or experience.

Lol weren't you the guy that said there's no way to display proc chances in game?

I believe it can be done.

Maybe it would help if you guys knew why the "dev time" defense is so stupid. Even if you were right, which is extremely unlikely, the response is still "So?" Guy suggests destructible environments. That's probably not gonna happen. We all know that. You say "tHaTS toO hArD TO CoDE!!1" The response is still, "So?" Whether you're right or you're wrong, and you are probably wrong, the response is still "So?" The best possible outcome is zero contribution and there's a significant chance, approaching certainty, of a negative effect on the conversation. It's objectively a stupid thing to say. It'd be like someone telling you about a goal or a dream and you telling them, "That's too expensive." I understand that people don't realize the chilling effect this type of thing has, because people do exactly that. That's why I'm suggesting guidance and coaching.

I think the Watcher collar for the trench coat is like this. I remember not being able to choose it for a female character.

Lol... I'm saying that's precisely the reason NOT to mention it. The people mentioning it don't know either.

Dang... sorry. You think I'm talking about them irking me? I'm not. They don't. They're irrelevant to me personally. This type is fairly easy to dispute, argue against or dismiss. They are preventing lively, productive discussion because of their effect on the forum... on the other posters who might not have the ability or tools to do that.

They don't. I've consistently repeated that I'm suggesting guidance and coaching, opinions and suggestions, rather than rules. I've said it over and over, despite the intellectually dishonest claims otherwise. You've read, quoted and reacted to those posts.

If that's how you want to describe it, sure. It's a problem. I'm describing a problem. It's possible that something that isn't against a rule can still have a negative effect. Would it be helpful for you if I reiterated once again that I understand that you are allowed to do this? I feel I've said this to you a few times and you are just sort of rewording your... objection? I have explained myself to you specifically more than once, so maybe we can just move on? You are allowed. You're allowed. You are totally allowed... You don't have to tell me that again. I know that you're allowd. We ALL know you're allowed.

That's great general advice. It doesn't address the concern that I am raising, though. My concern is that a small, vocal minority is chasing away people who would like to engage in fun, lively and productive conversations about their ideas and suggestions. I believe that is something that can be improved. Reporting them is not a solution because, generally, they're not breaking any rules. They're just being pedantic and negative. If you made a rule against that, you'd be pretty busy. Ignoring them is not a solution because they will still have a negative impact on the forums. My proposed solution is guidance and coaching from leadership.

That is my target. That is the Idea Police. Their purpose is to say no. They start from there. It's a handful of posters who have demonstrated an easily discernible pattern. And I understand good faith, but the best faith that can be offered is that they don't know that what they're doing is obstructive, destructive... and just kinda dumb. That's why I started with the oft-repeated "dev ability" defense. Sometimes they lead with that when it's an obvious one (destructible environments, voice acting), but they always run there when they can't defend their objections (proc chances listed in-game). I think if a person they would believe would just say "yeah that's dumb, you shouldn't do that" it would be a step toward better discussions. Again: this isn't about what is allowed, it's about what is smart.

Yeah, I'm not talking about what people are "allowed" to do. Whoops! Yeah I figured. I think if that were a more widely held and known opinion, discussions would improve.

Ok?

Currently, yes. I hope that changes. A private option would not fix the problem because the problem is the lack of lively discussion.

Yeah... gosh... I feel like we're talking in circles here. I'm saying that maybe they don't realize it, maybe they don't understand it, maybe things could improve... It's a suggestion. I'm suggesting something. I'm saying that something sucks, and suggesting ways it could be better. Maybe this thread has captured the problem, in a way

Yeah agreed. I left that a little open to interpretation. Was posting while you were.