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This thread has been so bizarre. I said that there are bad actors spoiling the discussions here. I said there were a few pieces of guidance that would improve the discussions. The replies have amounted to "You're trying to censor us!" "If you don't like it, too bad!" and "How about a place with NO discussion?" And then there's been a pile ironic posters defending the right to criticize things they don't like... while criticizing me personally... for criticizing something that I don't like. It's been a fun time.

That's one possibility. Some people got it, though, so it's hard to be sure.

That's exactly what would happen... or worse people would make new threads in that subforum to reply. A subforum that you can't reply to isn't really a forum. I don't think that idea has anything to do with the problem being discussed.

Oh man... no... I'm not a mod. I'm not telling you what you can and can't say. I'm giving my opinion of the things people do say. I didn't think it was that nuanced, but a LOT of people have missed it, so at least you aren't alone.

Ooph... wait. How come you didn't quote this part of his post? Just slow down... take a beat. The enhancement says it makes the power instant cast. The individual power says what happens when that power is instant cast or not instant cast. You very conspicuously ignored @macskull's point to try and force yours through. Maybe you think that the enhancement should have a little warning in the text? Like "Check the power description to see what this means." Is that what you think?

Well, that settles it. You meant this position, right? "Complaining that people take part in process of refinement of ideas in a way you don't like? -That- is pretty ignorant." -Steampunkette That's the one you didn't think was ironic...

"A hit dog will holler." Nobody proposed censorship. Ignoring isn't a solution... and you're allowed to disagree. I understand the defensiveness upon finding out that a talking point you have used before is stupid. It seems that this word has caused an emotional reaction in some of you and some of you may have taken it personally. Everybody does stupid things from time to time. Everybody overreacts, projects, speaks without thinking... everybody does that. You're not stupid because you've done something stupid. You didn't know it was stupid. That's fine. I explained why. I think there are a few bad apples spoiling this bunch. This is one of their favorite talking points and they will retreat to it when they can't defend or address any points being made. I think addressing one of their most common talking points will go a long way towards improving conversations. There are a few others, but this one is the best one to address. If you're not one of these folks, then I'm not talking about you. If you are, flame on I guess.

It is. I haven't. It wasn't.

We don't. We don't have those. I have not proposed any. I don't think anyone has.

I'm proposing efforts to improve the quality of conversations here. Commentary and critique are necessary for lively, productive conversations.

I don't think I've ever even made a suggestion before this one... And as I've said over and over, I am not suggesting a single rule change. I never have and never would. I'm largely against censorship. You're allowed to disagree. You should be allowed to disagree. You have assigned an opinion to me and then argued very passionately against it. I don't know how to help you.

It's a strange, defensive way to respond. I never proposed any censorship, but we somehow got 5 pages of people arguing against it. I don't know exactly what that's called... but it's been weird.

Ahh my bad I didn't see that one. Yes, a point black execution shot with one hand of SOME sort would look awesome.

I wonder what happened...

The irony of your post aside... I'm complaining about people taking part in a way that is counterproductive. I'm saying that what they are doing hurts that process.

Oh... I think a dev should say that critiques of ideas based on "dev ability" or "dev time" are stupid, and that people shouldn't do that... assuming the devs agree. I think they do, but I could be wrong. Then the people that don't understand that it's stupid can say "oh, dang... I didn't realize that was stupid" and stop.

For the powerset description I would suggest "It's like Assault Rifle, but way, way cooler." Rock salt as a sleep with that animation is hilarious and awesome. Also your power names makes me believe you know your way around a shotgun irl. If you wanted to get real weird, give it an interruptible melee shot using the dramatic one-handed pistol sniper animation. Is "Bite the Barrel" too crazy? Maybe "Discretion Shot" but if that's too obscure, "Point Blank" I guess.

That is a very good summary.

Lol ok

Lol... this is a weird non sequitur, but it is my opinion. It is my opinion that the discussions here could be better with guidance. The fact that there are threads is just... evidence that there are threads. What would you even compare to draw this conclusion? That's rhetorical, btw. Yes. I'm saying my opinion. I'm saying there's a problem. I'm saying I don't like it. I don't get the preoccupation with "that's your opinion!" anymore than the "I'm allowed!" stance. Ok?

I'm sure... but we're not employees in that field and we're not defending our ideas against people with knowledge or experience.

Lol weren't you the guy that said there's no way to display proc chances in game?

I believe it can be done.

Maybe it would help if you guys knew why the "dev time" defense is so stupid. Even if you were right, which is extremely unlikely, the response is still "So?" Guy suggests destructible environments. That's probably not gonna happen. We all know that. You say "tHaTS toO hArD TO CoDE!!1" The response is still, "So?" Whether you're right or you're wrong, and you are probably wrong, the response is still "So?" The best possible outcome is zero contribution and there's a significant chance, approaching certainty, of a negative effect on the conversation. It's objectively a stupid thing to say. It'd be like someone telling you about a goal or a dream and you telling them, "That's too expensive." I understand that people don't realize the chilling effect this type of thing has, because people do exactly that. That's why I'm suggesting guidance and coaching.

I think the Watcher collar for the trench coat is like this. I remember not being able to choose it for a female character.