ShardWarrior

This is why I am asking what the criteria is for testing. This allows anyone to repeat the same tests and provide more data to review. No one seems to want to answer the questions. The claim is that AE is a one stop shop for everything. It is the best place for rewards compared to any other part of the game. That may very well be true. All I am asking is using what criteria? What rewards are being measured? What ATs using what kind of builds are used for testing? Which AE farm map? What non-AE content? There are a lot of factors to take into consideration. I am sorry if I am not going to take the singular tests you ran as gospel. I can run all kinds of tests that will produce different results more in line with non-AE content being far superior for rewards. This is why I am suggesting there needs to be set criteria so results can be reproduced. For my individual tests, I am using my fire farmer running the meteor map and my scrappers and brutes running radio missions in PI. I will also use my blaster running through a series of back to back SBB runs and selling the IO set from there on the exchange. I guess we are measuring influence gained only as the measure since that seems to be the only thing you were concerned with? If not, let me know. Are XP and/or influence the only rewards being measured? There are multiple types of rewards in the game.

Well no, I have no idea where you derived anything about players leaving or staying or prices of IOs in the market from the post of mine you quoted. I am happy to help provide some data. What are we measuring and what is the criteria for the measurement? Can I run my fire farmer through a farm run and then run my EMP defender solo through some +4x8 Carnie Radios? That should produce the same results I think.

Sure. I will be happy to help and embarrass you again. Are we only testing influence gained per hour? Or are other rewards acceptable to test since the claim seems to be that AE is the single best source for all rewards in the game?

No idea where you are getting any of this from to be honest nor how you derived any of that from my post you quoted.

Repeatedly claiming one persons test is representative of the whole player base does not make anything true either. Of course one test is not going to sway any opinions, nor should it. Absolutely you have ignored the questions, that much is evident. Asking for proper criteria so results can be measured properly with as little sample bias as possible is not shifting the goal posts either. Yes, people are asking for data, so help define what data needs to be measured and how. It is much more difficult to refute evidence when you know the criteria used to gather it and results are repeatable.

Well no, that is not at all what I said nor what I suggested. Here is what I did say - I am specifically stating that criteria has to be defined so anyone testing knows what is being measured. You completely ignored the question of what rewards are going to be measured as there are many rewards in the game? Is it just strictly XP and inf? Or merits? Is selling any drops taken into consideration? What types of missions are being used to test? Are speed runs and/or AFK farming acceptable to use cases? Is testing limited to only certain ATs, power sets and enemy NPC types as some are much easier than others? There are a lot of questions to be answered beforehand and testing criteria established. This is how you avoid bias in the results which you are already blaming everyone of.

Sorry, but I disagree that one test is representative of the entire results. Taking one set of results and saying that is absolute proof of anything is specious. I did not say it should be ignored, rather it is just a solitary result. This would be akin to a team speed running an ITF in under eight minutes and saying that is how long it takes for every team to complete it. We know it is not the case as median averages are used. I am certainly open to seeing if there really is such a huge disparity between reward gains AE and non-AE content. If it is true, I have no issue admitting it. However, I am skeptical of the claim that AE is the best source of all rewards in the game as there are many different rewards. Sure, I can run tests of my own. I am already fairly certain what the results would be though as results are highly dependent on what rewards are to be measured. XP and influence are not the only rewards in the game. Testing criteria needs to be determined so results can be analyzed properly and measured as equally as possible. For example, it is far faster to speed run a LRSF/MLTF for SHOs than to farm in AE for the inf to buy them, at least it is for me. It takes far less time to run through SBB to get the Overwhelming Force IO drop. Speed running TFs can yield much faster merit rewards as well, especially speed running the WSTs.

This is only one person providing results under specific circumstances running a small content sampling, so it is not necessarily indicative of the real results. This is like polling one person on politics and saying their solitary opinion represents everyone in the country. A much larger data set would be needed here to be of any real analytical value. I am not saying what has been presented is fake or bad data, it is simply too small a sampling.

Crafting a build to take advantage of the weaknesses of various NPC enemy groups is not an exploit, it is crafting a good build for a specific purpose. Many people I know, myself included, have alts with builds crafted for specific content at specific levels. There are plenty of builds that are excellent at being all purpose builds that are at little to no risk running non-AE content.

I personally do not know anyone who is using RMT. It is fairly evident they are around and have been for a while.

There is your citation. The Homecoming folk already know about these sites and are doing what they can. It is not a good idea to post links to the various gold farming sites in this thread for all the world to see and advertise for them. Anyone requiring proof of their own can spend the literal ten seconds using Google to do the research on their own.

You are not looking nearly hard enough then. Absolutely this is going on. Here only.

Tolerance is a wonderful thing and the best that anyone can ask for. Sadly, tolerance seems to be in very short supply here. I wish more people were more tolerant of how others choose to spend their free time.

Not to mention not all content in the game requires or is intended for a full team to play.

Oh yes they most certainly are, and there is only one CoH server this is happening on. Other servers offer tools that render the need for gold farmers pointless.

Well yes, it is trolling when you ask these kinds of questions after I posted links to various posts I made in threads in the BETA forums. Quite clearly I had logged onto the test server and tried some of the new content. Were you to actually to do your homework and look at post history or used the search, it would have been very easy to have answered your own question. But I think you already know I had posted in several testing threads since we can all see you posting in them. You just wanted to make it seem like I did not test anything. No problem. You seem to be having difficulty using the search functionality on the forums, so I am happy to help where I can.

Here are a few others. If you would like more, please do the work yourself and look.

Here is a picture of me on Brainstorm just 3 minutes ago showing that the EMP to Merit reward is removed from the Merit Vendor. What else can I do for you? Or would you like to continue trolling?

Yes, I have. Would you like links to all of the posts I made on the items I tested? Or can you manage to use the search function on your own? Happy to do it for you if you need me to carry you.

I have already provided my feedback in the Beta thread for Reward merits. Here are just a few links to my posts there. What else can I do for you?

Yes, I have tested quite a few things on the test server to lend whatever help I can. What exactly would you like me to test again? Per the patch notes - Unless either one of those things have changed, there really is no reason for me to waste the time testing any further. I know you have read enough of my posts on this topic in various threads to understand my thoughts on these specific changes. It is nice they added Veteran levels back, but the EMP to Merit conversion is the bigger issue for me. What other information would you like me to provide? Do I need to repeat myself yet again? I am certainly happy to do that if you need me to.

Agree with everything @Krimson and @roleki posted above. I completely agree with @Neiska and would add; 8. Not wanting to get buried under layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of VFX spam from other players 9. Being able to actually contribute something before mobs are completely annihilated by everyone else. Nor would I call what @Neiskaposted an unpopular opinion. The overwhelming majority of the people in the circles I run in play the same way for the same reasons. It seems to me that the reasons people have for not wanting to be "encouraged" into teaming for "correct/right" content either gets lost, is just plain ignored or are never taken seriously into consideration. I think it safe to say we all want to feel super playing this game, however we feel super in different ways doing different things. I also believe the AE changes in this update are going to backfire. Of course I certainly hope it does not, however in our group discussions and chat it certainly seems like this is encouraging people into even more farming to make up for the lost EMP to merit conversion. I guess we can hope for the best.

Better understanding and compassion from everyone involved.

I am not sure that applies here. Perhaps I misunderstood the post, which very well could be the case, however I think the intent was to point out how the history here makes anything they say suspect. No matter what the folks here may do, the beginnings of how all this came about are not going to be forgotten and there are still a great may people in the community that did not like being lied to for years, no matter the circumstances. I would also point out that people may feel differently if it were their property being stolen versus that of a company that upset them.

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