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4 hours ago, MunkiLord said:
You came into a heavily debated thread with a spectacular claim and now you say you weren't looking for debate? Nonsense.
Was the 'claim' spectacular because it contained big words?
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2 hours ago, Abraxus said:
If you remember, while Napster was directly targeted, and ultimately shut-down, it served as the catalyst that changed the face of the music industry. I suggest that if the web had been as mature then (technology-wise that is) that Napster probably would have found a way to survive. Anyway, the point is that, once something became an infinite resource, the big guys tried mightily to put the genie back in the bottle, and eventually failed. So, once they recognized they were clinging to an outmoded business model, they changed.
So, in this case, since the proverbial genie has again already escaped the bottle, hopefully in the 7 years that have passed since it's closure, they have had time to reflect, and will get to the part where good things happen, rather than resorting to a struggle where they can win the opening battle, but will still ultimately lose the war. Just like before, folks will just go deeper underground, and have to adapt play-styles, but as you yourself pointed out, servers will go on. So, from a business perspective, why not play along and see what good can come from it? They really don't stand to lose anything they haven't already lost.Just my .02 of a dollar's worth.
I'll agree with your premise. I too hope reasonable judgement prevails.
While Napster came and went, royalties still get paid to entities that control the intellectual property. If those royalties aren't paid it gets ugly quick.
I'll point to recent music news where an artist I'm embarrassed to name will be re-recording all of their music because someone else has control of the recordings already made.
ISPs and services regularly have to pull user generated content that violates copyright or trademarks. It's the deep pockets that are held accountable. Those deep pockets aren't interested in discussion as much as minimizing exposure to risk and liability. - Live long and... have fun.
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oh geez.
@MunkiLord - you don't have to believe it. I wasn't looking for a debate. If you google Napster or something similar you're likely to find plenty... dang it now I looked.
Here's a possible example (I'm not reading it and providing highlights) " Copyright Infringement and Investor Liability in the Age of User Generated Content "
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@MunkiLord - it's NCSoft's IP being used to facilitate the action, and thus contributory infringement.
@Abraxas - I am hopeful, but realistic. I too enjoy the thought of a post deal COV while continuing to maintain an offline version (if needed).
@ShardWarrior - I am hopeful, but realistic.
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It just takes a letter.
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On 9/10/2019 at 9:48 PM, Rathulfr said:
The game cannot be shut down because of people using copyrighted chars. It can be shut down for infringing on NCSoft's copyright of its intellectual property, which is being used without permission. But that has nothing to do with players creating clones/parodies/homages.
NCSoft could easily be encouraged or forced to take action by other entities.
..this version as well as others could absolutely be 'shut down'. Cease and desist letters are not limited illegal behaviors. When ignored, letters lead to orders. Orders are temporary injunctions which freeze the offending action until a trial. Before any trial, the terms 'contributory infringement' and 'liable' get tossed around enough to pucker the sphincters of anyone even loosely associated with the offense that is not seriously lawyer-ed up.
Sinking dozens or hundreds of hours into a tenuous situation and then being flippant about the mention of a legitimate concern could be considered foolish.
Personally, I'm not stressed about it. This is all temporary.
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8 hours ago, jubakumbi said:
Objectionable to whom, exactly?
apologies, I was rushed and missed a conjunction in there somewhere.
'objectionable activities' was supposed to refer to the use of inappropriate words or crude language in character names. this mechanic is likely already in place and could be easily expanded.
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1 minute ago, Abraxus said:
Yeah, and I could be struck by a bolt of lightning, or win the lottery. The chances of either are probably about equal to anyone out there with a valuable IP, coming to the Homecoming CoH server to look for stuff that they consider theirs to protect. Not saying it's impossible, just improbable. Mainly because it's not worth the time, or effort. If, by some small chance it does happen, we will adapt, adjust, and overcome. It's what we have always done.
agreed.
it's just a simple thing to avoid or be proactive about.
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On 9/11/2019 at 8:24 AM, GM Capocollo said:
There's more companies and authors out there than Disney and WB. Even if they're too big to care, a lot of companies aren't.
Anyone who thinks they are too big to 'care' is mistaken. Use of copyright or trade marked materials is what it is.
Powers - Costumes - Names - Catch phrases. Copying all of that could be problematic. Enabling behavior could be liable.
Blocking names could be the simple/easy solution and also then documents a good faith effort AND to curb objectionable activities (like inappropriate words in names).
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On 9/10/2019 at 6:16 PM, cparks7040 said:
I think speak for all of us when I say we are all gateful to have COH back. im not a lawyer or versed on legal stuff as far as coprights. however I would like to encourge people to not make copyrighted chars using their name or likeness. I dont know who makes the comic con fire farms but I would also encourge those people to change the npcs costumes. I would hate for the game to be shut down because of people using copyrighted chars, it was strickly enforced during live for a reason and I think we should respect that.
I believe that the examples I've seen for comic cons typically avoid using the names of the specific characters. This is sufficient.
Using in game options to mimic costumes is part of fandom. A large green character with purple pants who is strong.. no problem. Naming that character Angry Guy or Smash.. no problem.
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58 minutes ago, oldskool said:
[Hulk photo]
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16 hours ago, Ljhalfbreed said:
Now as arguments get heated and suggestions fly... can anyone (hopefully a dev) explain this one and hopefully put this to bed for me, once and for all, as far as the current build on Live is concerned?
All other things being ignored (resistances, individual powerset differences, etc), who is supposed to do the best ST DPS? Feel free to use team sizes, damage caps, inherents, ATOs, or whatever to prove your point.
TL;DR: Which AT does the best ST damage, why, and if possible, *how*?
Thanks in advance.
This is debatable by design.
Play style can be a factor. Time can be a factor (spike vs sustained). Survivability can be a factor. Target type can be a factor.
It can be about more than just mashing buttons.
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/regen is a solid if not over performing set for stalkers
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On 9/4/2019 at 10:55 PM, SlimPickens said:
Yeah because 999 out of the 1100 people who picked super strength find the mechanic broken and terrible they must all be wrong and clearly you are right. apparently not enjoying standing around for 10 seconds every minute in trade for mediocre performance is lazy. Just to be clear, I have hated rage since live, because -9999% damage should never be a mechanic in the game, and now with the -def penalty on top its just crap flavored icing on a poop flavored cake.
But anyways, we can agree to disagree in that thread. It is interesting to see the numbers on how many picked ss, I truly wonder how many actually play the toons still after hitting 50, and how many of those play without rage at all to avoid the badly thought out mechanics. I know I rarely if ever play mine anymore, and every time I do I think of how I could be playing one of the many fun characters I have instead and performing better to boot.
Cool animations, iconic powerset. Terrible +dam mechanic.
What a shame, really.
exaggerate much?
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Great job!
Of course immediately it appears there might be a correlation between posted builds on the net (going back to live), hype (fotm now and then) and lack of creativity (min/max copycats).
Maybe that's harsh.. but it's really hard to roll a truly terrible combo.
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On 6/23/2019 at 4:06 PM, Gone said:
I made a Cold/Ice defender, sets I've never used before, but since I've read a few different places and in game some mentioned that these are strong Corruptor sets. Usually I tend to want to play Defenders over corruptors due to the quicker access to the defendery powers and the higher values in those powers as well as leadership.
Apparently Corruptors do well with rain powers because of scourge and these sets have a bunch, and the debuff numbers are similar or the same to defenders, while only the defense powers (the shields and the aura toggle) really suffer here and the closer one gets to endgame the less useful the shields become.
So really the question is, are those benefits the corruptor has worth more in the long run or less? I'm usually concerned with endgame quality as a goal since leveling up is so fast that it is only a small fraction of the time spent with a character. I don't intend to solo a lot, if that also makes a difference, I'm generally more team-oriented.
Any thoughts? Should I reroll before I get in too deep?
Curruptors are definitely not Defenders.
That said, damage can be the more difficult thing to find later in the game.
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gambling on the random number generator vs crafting.
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The volunteer devs have far more important (and easier) things to do than trying to make VFX from scratch. In the meantime, it won't hurt to just add Wind Control with minimal effort since it's already pretty much done. You don't have to play it if you don't want to, and maybe sometime in the future VFX can be made. No reason to make people wait for that time.
33 minutes ago, Vanden said:Putting out power sets with lazy, hacked-together visuals is not a good look for any development team.
Wow. Free game with volunteers taking crap. Maybe someone needs to take a timeout?-
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On 8/11/2019 at 10:48 AM, Leandro said:
Earth Control > Animate Stone: should no longer stop to reconsider it's life choices for about 6 seconds after using Hurl.
This was a nice touch.
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On 8/7/2019 at 6:20 PM, Jimmy said:
Hey folks,
We know things have been really quiet from us lately, and we wanted to provide an update on what we've been up to.
Homecoming and The Titan Network are working together and are in active negotiations with NCSoft in order to turn Homecoming into a legitimate operation, and we've been making significant strides in recent weeks. It's our intention to involve the entire community in this process when the time comes - which is not quite yet, but we'll certainly be shouting from the rooftops when it is - hopefully Soon™.
Please hang tight for the time being, and keep killing those Skuls.
EDIT: To be clear, Homecoming will remain completely free to play.
- The Homecoming TeamNothing like someone late, yelling from the audience an idea that was already bounced around. But here goes anyway:
The current non-profit game has a lot of potentially unused in game billboards that NCSoft could 'leverage'.
Love / Hate? I get it. However, I like playing on a public version more than I'd hate that idea.
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googling "COH leveling guide" returned many options. I'll find & post a link to a decent one.
classic non-AE/non-farmie guide ('leveling quickly' is not super accurate for the new version of the game. still good info)
also helpful
From zero to level 35/40 (suggestions, not definitive)
Spoiler- Death from Below (DFB) 3-4 times (to get the +acc,+dmg,+rec, and/or +def hydra enhancers (good to level 22))
- Drowning in Blood (DiB) 2-3 times (to get the +tohit,+dmg,+rec, and/or +def shivan enhancers (good to level 30))
- Positron 1
Important - If you hate the character or powers at this point, re-roll. Don't waste time on one you don't love.
- Positron 2
- Exploration badges when not doing the above
- AE badge mission
- Safegaurd missions (badges)
- Misc TFs as teams form (Synapse Task Force, Katie Hannon, etc)
- Finish up some accolades
That typically can get to 35-40 with more than enough to buy IO enhancements. (I just do SOs until IOs provide high values)
Note: this skips a lot of content and story arcs which can result in losing out on 300+ reward merits. If you've got lots of funds on other characters it's not a super big deal. if someone is new, that's a hit.
After 35/40 there is tons of content.
SpoilerPlus:
- Ouroboros
- Rikti War Zone
- Cimerora content
- Patrons
- Hamidon
Level 50 used to take players somewhere between 100 and 250 hours of play. It has greatly decreased. Definitely use xp boosts from the P2W vendor.
200+/- hours sounds like a long haul but there is so much content and interesting players along the way. There were really only a handful of levels that would feel like a grind. It was a little different then - we didn't have travel powers until level 14, had to unlock capes, auras & costume slots, earn re-specifications (to revamp your entire build from scratch) and walk uphill both ways in chest high snow..
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For a 40ish tank there might be some less expensive ways to go. If you're eyeballing end game soon and can afford it, the suggestions make sense.
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Energy Melee / Regen forever.
With insta Assassin's Strike out of hide = yummy.
If the old ET animation time was returned, well that would be the dream, wouldn't it?
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See subject. Also, what does IO stand for? My highest character is level 24 and I don't really know what I'm doing.
Don't stress about Invention Origin enhancements yet. I'd suggest sticking with Dual Origin and when possible Single Origin until you get a bit higher up. IOs are great in that they don't stop working as you level but they also don't increase in effectiveness.
SOs can be bought but also earned. Doing the Death From Below (DFB) or Drowning in Blood (DiB) trials which can yield 4-5 SOs per run for low level characters. (you can also a bonus at the end, up to 4 unique, one per run)
Here some more info:
https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Enhancements
"There are four main types of Enhancements: Training, Dual Origin, Single Origin and Invention Origin (abbreviated to TO, DO, SO and IO respectively). There are also several kinds of Special Enhancements, usually as rewards of a particularly difficult task set to players. Training, Invention Origin and Special Enhancements are usable by any character. Dual-Origin and Single-Origin Enhancements are only usable by characters based on the character's origin."
"Single-Origin Enhancements
Single-Origin Enhancements, often referred to as SOs, are even more powerful. They provide twice as much improvement as DOs (or four times as much as Training) and may be used only by a character whose origin matches the Enhancement's.
Single-Origin enhancements may be bought at origin-specific stores and NPCs in various zones and, at an inflated cost, from individual contacts. Currently, the lowest level Single-Origin Enhancements generally available for purchase are level 25, which are usable by characters of minimum level 22. There are, however, some particular exceptions as low as level 13 sold in Mr. Yin's store, allowing some characters to use some SOs as early as level 10. SOs are dropped by enemies for characters of level 22-50. SOs are also sometimes provided as mission bonuses, and in the cases of Task Forces and Story Arcs, the player may even choose the aspect.
SOs in certain level ranges for Heroes may only be purchased from contacts that require a mission before they will deal with you. Here is a quick reference. More detail in each contact's page and on the Stores Inventory page.
Origin - Contact Name - City Zone
Magic - Serafina - Brickstown
Mutant - Penny Preston - Founders Falls
Natural - Agent Six - Founders Falls
Science - Holsten Armitage - Brickstown
Technology - Mark IV - Founders Falls"
copyrighted chars and npcs in game
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Agreed.
It didn't hurt that the game maker had already been making a good faith effort to minimize infringements.
More details from that case are easy to search for.
December 12, 2005 - Marvel Entertainment, Inc., NCsoft® Corporation, NC Interactive, Inc. and Cryptic Studios, Inc. are pleased to announce today that they have amicably settled all claims brought by Marvel and all claims brought by NCsoft, NC Interactive, Inc. and Cryptic Studios, Inc.
From the statement: “The parties' settlement allows them all to continue to develop and sell exciting and innovative products, but does not reduce the players' ability to express their creativity in making and playing original and exciting characters. Therefore, no changes to City of Heroes® or City of Villains' character creation engine are part of the settlement. The parties have agreed that protecting intellectual property rights is critically important and each will continue aggressively to protect such rights in accordance with all applicable laws. While the terms of the settlement were not disclosed, all parties agree that this case was never about monetary issues and that the fans of their respective products and characters are the winners in this settlement.”
Some keys to arguments before the settlement included:
#1 The game makers argued in a response to the initial complaint, that characters named after third party properties were not allowed to be played in the game, and that, given the character creation engine of the game, similarities to Marvel characters may exist, but constitute a fraction of the possible outcomes of player-designed characters.
#2 The lawyers bungled it. Screenshots used as exhibits in the original complaint which claimed were players found in the game were actually characters created by the attorneys for Marvel in an attempt to prove their point that characters with names that infringed copyrights could be created in City of Heroes. Marvel’s counsel later admitted this to be the case with three of the characters shown in the exhibits it submitted.