WindDemon21

It should also be noted if not specified earlier, how detrimental using CS is with the actual power siphon mechanic because of it's super slow cast time, it means you're never gaining full PS stacks in the ST chain and especially the aoe chains.

Any chance @Booper could get a notice at this? I'm edging on pausing the toon, wanna play him but just too detrimental to the play and ruining the experience again, pretty much every time I have to use CS, so slow, and often doesn't recharge PS or does so when it woudln't matter anyway.

Mechanically what the set OFFERS, yeah I like having the ranged and ranged cone. That being said so does both spines and claws. And I've actually just stated how the long windup of CS ISN'T validated. It's actually one of the worst ones because it both doesn't crit, and doesn't get the benefit of the scrapper ATOs. Especially the more you start IO'ing and finishing the build. In fact adding hasten alone with enhancements in PS, makes it on average MUCH less more useful to have it recharge power siphon instead of doing actual crits. Also, it should be known, that burst was bugged and was only getting 6 feet of radius, at least that seems to have been fixed thankfully. But all things considered, at the least CS NEEDS to be boosted by the scrapper ATOs procs/globals. Seriously, i'm not joking, I had a 31 streak of NO power siphon recharge. and a 17 and 18 as well. No amount of random 1 or 2s make the mechanic worth dealing with those chances, especially when recharge/hasten/bonuses etc make the actual value of PS recharging from slow as molasses CS, much and much less worth it. In the IO world, and even SO world, I'd rather have it just plain do normal crits as a big finisher that gets the value of the scrapper ATOs, unless at the very least, they let it get those in it's current.

I'd REALLY hope for a fast patch on this one, cause otherwise I like the character i made and want to play him, but this is just being really detrimental and reminding me why i stopped playing my last KM scrapper, outside of the the fact that besides the first 3 attacks, the rest is REALLY slow. And I would imagine why it's one of the least played scrapper sets as well.

Yeah, I wonder if it "is as designed cause hey, you get a ranged cone" but then so does claws and spines with no downsides on it. So I would *assume* it's a bug too, cause otherwise, just another dumb thing broken with KM.

I put it there cause I wasn't sure if it was 100% a bug, and apparently bopper states that "it has always been this way on purpose". Which is honestly shocking as I pointed out how really terrible it actually is and needs revamped. I would even say, either fix it so that it benefits from the crit procs at least, or make it actually do normal crits, and then have EVERY power give a chance to recharge power siphon. That way it works prior to level 32, and you get crits on CS. Also re-noting, that repulsing torrent needs to apply PS stacks/-damage.

The long cast time as well with CS in relation to the actual power siphon buff, is also so slow, that it makes it so you don't actually get full 5 power siphon stacks most of the time,. This is also part of the issue, which is where this needs to be addressed. In theory, its good, but in actual use, it's REALLY bad for CS to not benefit from the ATO procs. This actually gets even worse the more recharge you have on the build, making the power siphon recharge even LESS useful than what I just described above.

I understand it, which is why I'm pointing out how flawed it is that it's not benefiting from the crit procs. It needs to at least do that for that mechanic to have much value at all as opposed to just actually doing crit damage.

This is also noting, that even putting it IN CS, that CS while giving it good cproc chances, is EXTREMELY slow and using it trying to spam it also hurts a lot as it doesn't get crit damage. Having the mechanic do that s one thing, but being reliant on CS where it's a tier 9 power for one, but also can't be boosted by the crit procs, needs a MAJOR redo.

6th try, 1 try, 6th, 2nd, 3rd, 8th, 2nd, 1st, 8th, 2nd, 6th, 8th, 1st, 7th, 31 tries!!! 7th, 4th try. Those are the last times I've counted. It should also be noted that even with just slotting power siphon for recharge, and CS for max recharge, that you're at best using it every 13 ish seconds if you're spamming, lets say 10 for ease with some rech bonuses. That means on top of just generally doing diminishing returns the close to it base recharging is, that anything 6 tries or over, is literally doing nothing, and unless it's 3 tries or less, it's hardly doing anything as it is cause then you're not perma-ing it anyway. This mechanic definitely needs fixed. And while it's RNG, there is no way that it should have taken 17 and THIRTY ONE tries before it even worked at all. I'm not joking or missed anything, I don't know how but it literally took 31 tries that one time before it actually worked.

Scratch that, took till 15 tries for it to finally recharge power siphon..

Definitely just had an 11 streak with no PS recharge fyi, that definitely shoudln't happen, and another showcase where it NEEDS to benefit from the crit procs as mentioned above.

Also to note, that it can be a bad mechanic as well when you have lots of recharge, making the PS recharge next to pointless as well anyway if you can't at least count on it with the crit proc. It's just a bad mechanic overall if it's not getting at least the benefit of the crit proc and crit bonus.

Also to be known, that especially when not being able to get boost from the crit proc, that it rarely goes off when it's actually useful, and instead will often do it when the power is almost recharged anyway, making it even more useless than if it actually crit. It needs to also crit or gain boost from the atos.

Also to note, that repulsing torrent is also not generating stacks of power siphon. Seems it also has probably been this way but it really should be stacking that -damage and +damage from it.

Yeah, I only got it in my build mainly for the IO mule actually and esploration badges temporarily using a jump in it. I almost never get travel powers, jump pack and ninja run usually are good enough and void skiff for tough heights. Don't skip cj early, it's really useful for combat mobility, lotg mule, and 2% more free defense.

Yes that was one of my first thoughts. However one that means you can't use it till 32 in the build, but also that still has the issue of not being able to use it FOR the power which you should be able to. It also ruins the ability to use it during the gaussians proc and getting both aoes in during it because it's cast time is so long as opposed to say focused burst which let's you do all three. Any other power with bonus crits like golden Dragonfly and eagles claw ALSO gets the crit bonus on top of that. There is ZERO reason that CS also shouldn't benefit from the set defining procs. At that rate I would much rather have it just do regular crits with maybe more crit chance like gd/ec. While we're at it the power also HEAVILY needs at least one of the wind ups removed to shorten it's cast time about a second.

This is the one that I used for mine. I've been thinking to ditch savage strike for hemorrhage, which I would only do on a scrapper for the crit proc. Otherwise hemorrhage should be stomped on repeatedly and sent to hell for how crappy of a power it is. With a high enough recharge build, this is the one and only exception where it is worth picking up that skill, because savage strike also sucks for damage XD: This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.0.5.9 https://github.com/Reborn-Team/MidsReborn Click this DataLink to open the build! 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-- EndRdx-I(A) Level 14: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(46), Rct-ResDam%(50) Level 16: Glacial Armor -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def(17), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(17) Level 18: Rending Flurry -- Erd-Acc/Rchg(A), Erd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(19), Erd-%Dam(19), SprScrStr-Dmg/Rchg(34), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(34), SprScrStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45) Level 20: Energy Absorption -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg(A), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(21), Srn-Def/Rchg(21), Srn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(23), PwrTrns-+Heal(45) Level 22: Blood Thirst -- GssSynFr--Build%(A) Level 24: Boxing -- Empty(A) Level 26: Hemorrhage -- SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCrtStr-Dmg/Rchg(27), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), SprCrtStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), SprCrtStr-Rchg/+50% Crit(50) Level 28: Tough -- Ags-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Ags-ResDam(29), Ags-Psi/Status(29), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(48), ImpSki-Status(50) Level 30: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def(31), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(31) Level 32: 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I've already posted it there in case, but as referenced to other higher "crit" chance powers, if this is not a bug, it's absurdly unjustified.

I'm watching it EVERY time I use the power too not just after the crit proc, and even then it's definitely not doing it 20% of the time. And regardless as well, it REALLY should be getting the benefit of the crit proc. Other powers that have higher crit chances, like golden dragonfly and eagles claw, also benefit from the crit proc. For a power like that that doesn't get any crits, it REALLY needs to have it's special "crit" be affected by the crit proc.

Also, it's not even hitting, either way, 1 in 5 times. I'm lucky to see it do it literally even 5% of the time.

That seems horridly unjust and REALLY hurts the set using the crit proc. Would rather it do actual crits and change the mechanic around somehow but it definitely should be able to benefit from the crit proc.

For reference, just did it 15 times after crit proc firing off, only recharged power siphon once...

I know it doesn't "crit" but it's "crit" recharges power siphon. I've been replaying my kin scrapper and with the crit proc in focused burst to use for CS to do so, i'm noticing that it almost NEVER recharges power siphon right after the crit proc. I've noticed it actually recharging it MORE when used normally and not right after the crit proc but i'm sure that's just RNG. But it definitely seems like it's not benefiting from the extra "crit" chances of the crit proc so far. I'd have to do further testing but from what I'm seeing this definitely seems to be the case and if so needs fixed. Update: after testing further it is 100% not getting the benefit of the scrapper crit proc to boost the chances of CS recharging power siphon. I've literally counted more recharges when NOT using the crit proc, and that's still REALLLY low.

Grrr so yeah testing more, it's definitely not getting the benefit of the crit proc. Swear every time I get really excited about a character there is always some super detrimental bug that makes it not work XD. Can this please be fixed asap! Gotta shelve another toon now till it is :((