Beast Mastery // Trick Arrow :: The Worst Conceivable Matchup?

[Carnivalous]

So~

 

As someone who shifts around a lot on the Discord, as well as someone who plays the game enough to watch discussion explode on Help Chat.

People seem to have a general concensus towards the idea that Beast Mastery is the absolute worst power set in the game.

... When they're not saying that Trick Arrow is.

So, I'm wondering!

 

Not if they're the worst, because I kinda trust people on that one -- but rather.

 

I'm wondering in this awesome game that we have;

Can they be;

A: Viable?

B: Effective?

 

Moreover;

Are they viable and effective --together--?

I mean, regardless I'm going to build this build anyway.

Just out of sheer, raw curiosity that goes outside of white room testing.

 

But I'm curious as to the community's thoughts, and how they'd go about building such a thing to be as effective as possible~

Thanks! ❤️

Edited November 14, 2019 by Carnivalous

[SmalltalkJava]

First of all.  regarding Beasts.  My xxxx/Nature Tests against Pylons, showed that Beasts was top dog.   It had the fastest time of Ninjas/Demons/Mercs/Beasts, with the same secondary /Nature slotting.  I had a 2:19 second run with Beasts.  Beasts however, is lower AOE damage than Bots/Demons in general.   In My Opinion, Beasts works best as an /Assist Train,  you single target "Petcomall Attack" them on the hard target first then pick off the weaker targets.   

 

I had a Beast/TA MM.  It was fun, but to make it work you have to run the /TA as a Proc Monster build.  Look at the Defender Proc Monster thread for how @Sir Myshkinslotted /TA. Then port it over to Beasts/TA.   /TA is like other MM secondaries that don't have heals.  your pets will die.   But it was fun.

 

Here is a first pass build that I did on the concept.  It needs to be tweaked as the endo drain spamming the beast MM attacks was tough.  I'm a big MM attack spammer, I don't like leaving 15-25% of a MM's DPS off the board.   But it should get you into a good start point.  I did actually run this build to 50 but i never got the incarnates.   But again, and I can't stress this enough, just use this as a start point.  I never went through and rebuilt/refactored it to absolutely maximize survivability/endurance/procs.   Just looking at it the MM attacks should be tweaked, and probably drop assault to pick up tactics.  I'd probably turn the MM's personal attacks into proc monsters also, but to each their own!   Also I have Fortify Pack 6 slotted just for the defense set bonuses.   But it was fun.

 

The /TA proc portion should be pretty solid though, it pretty much matches what @Sir Myshkinhad on his Defender TA/Archery Defender.

 

 

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Beast-TA Proccer: Level 50 Science Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Beast Mastery
Secondary Power Set: Trick Arrow
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Concealment
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Summon Wolves

• (A) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
• (3) Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage
• (3) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Damage/Endurance
• (5) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen
• (5) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage
• (7) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  

Level 1: Entangling Arrow

• (A) Accuracy IO
  

Level 2: Flash Arrow

• (A) Accuracy IO
  

Level 4: Call Hawk

• (A) Force Feedback - Recharge/Endurance
• (11) Force Feedback - Damage/Endurance/Knockback
• (11) Force Feedback - Recharge/Knockback
• (13) Force Feedback - Accuracy/Knockback
• (13) Force Feedback - Damage/Knockback
• (15) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge
  

Level 6: Train Beasts

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 8: Kick

• (A) Accuracy IO
  

Level 10: Ice Arrow

• (A) Gladiator's Net - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
• (15) Unbreakable Constraint - Chance for Smashing Damage
• (17) Ghost Widow's Embrace - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
• (17) Neuronic Shutdown - Chance of Damage(Psionic)
• (19) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing)
• (19) Ghost Widow's Embrace - Accuracy/Endurance
  

Level 12: Summon Lions

• (A) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets
• (21) Expedient Reinforcement - Resist Bonus Aura for Pets
• (21) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (23) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura
• (23) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage
• (25) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 14: Super Speed

• (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)
  

Level 16: Call Ravens

• (A) Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage
• (25) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge
• (27) Shield Breaker - Accuracy/Defense Debuff
• (27) Shield Breaker - Defense Debuff/Endurance/Recharge
• (29) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
• (29) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
  

Level 18: Fortify Pack

• (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
• (31) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
• (31) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
• (31) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• (33) Red Fortune - Defense
• (33) Red Fortune - Endurance
  

Level 20: Acid Arrow

• (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
• (33) Annihilation - Chance for Res Debuff
• (34) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
• (34) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
• (34) Annihilation - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (36) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 22: Tough

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
• (36) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
• (36) Gladiator's Armor - End/Resist
• (37) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• (37) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
• (37) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
  

Level 24: Weave

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• (39) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
• (39) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
• (39) Shield Wall - Defense
• (40) Shield Wall - Defense/Recharge
  

Level 26: Summon Dire Wolf

• (A) Sovereign Right - Resistance Bonus
• (40) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus
• (40) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
• (42) Sovereign Right - Accuracy/Damage
• (42) Sovereign Right - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (42) Sovereign Right - Damage/Endurance
  

Level 28: Disruption Arrow

• (A) Endurance Reduction
  

Level 30: Maneuvers

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• (43) Kismet - Accuracy +6%
• (43) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  

Level 32: Tame Beasts

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 35: Oil Slick Arrow

• (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
• (43) Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage
• (45) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage(Smashing)
• (45) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 38: EMP Arrow

• (A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold
• (45) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
• (46) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
• (46) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
  

Level 41: Assault

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 44: Scorpion Shield

• (A) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
• (46) Red Fortune - Endurance/Recharge
• (48) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
• (48) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• (48) Red Fortune - Defense
• (50) Red Fortune - Endurance
  

Level 47: Stealth

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• (50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  

Level 49: Hasten

• (A) Recharge Reduction
• (50) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 1: Brawl

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Sprint

• (A) Run Speed IO
  

Level 1: Supremacy 

Level 2: Rest

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• (A) Empty
  

Level 4: Ninja Run 

Level 2: Swift

• (A) Run Speed IO
  

Level 2: Health

• (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
• (7) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
• (9) Miracle - +Recovery
  

Level 2: Hurdle

• (A) Jumping IO
  

Level 2: Stamina

• (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
• (9) Performance Shifter - EndMod
  

Level 1: Alpha Howler Wolf 

Level 1: Howler Wolf 
Level 26: Dire Wolf 
Level 12: Lioness 
Level 1: Pack Mentality 
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[Carnivalous]

Huh!

Interesting~ ❤️

So hyperbole is hyperbole after all xP

This is pleasant =u= ❤️ 

[plainguy]

On 11/9/2019 at 3:10 PM, plainguy said:

Beast Mastery / Trick Arrow

Range Defense cap.

 

With Incarnates I am doing 4/8

 

This build went through several variations.

Just like with every build I try to max out the settings.  This build was a bit tougher because it had debuff but not much DPS. 

Another issue I encountered was Oil Slick had nothing to light it up and using the taser temp was caused 2 issues. 

1.  When using Taser if failed to light the Oil Slick it would make the Oil Slick target disappear.  I could fire all my arrows at the Oil Slick target without an issue but once I used the Taser temp. BAM it was gone ! - So that was No good.
2. Taser was short ranged and it was putting me into Melee combat range. 
3. I wanted to stay thematic but had to pick up fire blast, I changed it Green to try to keep it nature magical like. But was still Green Fire.  At that point It just made sense to rework the build max it out a bit more.

This was my first build.

http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/download.php?uc=1520&c=704&a=1408&f=HEX&dc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

 

I removed Super Speed, Maneuvers, Tactics and Temp Invulnerability from Field Mastery and went Kick, Tough, Weave and Fire Blast.

Had a reliable way to ignite and another DPS but still was running 1/6 at best and kill the 2 purple con NPC ( forgot their names A.T.P.) during the Incarnate missions was difficult. I had to log in with another account and burn the mind controlled hero down to finish the mish. 

 

Second build with Fire Blast  

http://www.cohplanner.com/mids/download.php?uc=1517&c=706&a=1412&f=HEX&dc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

 

Final Build

I removed  Disruption arrow  and Fortify Pack and went Field Mastery again. 

Picked up Temp Invulnerability , Energy Torrent and Explosive Blast.  Colored them green 

Now I have 2 more attacks and 2 more ways to light up Oil Slick and I am 5 points away from S/L Resistance cap. 

 

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I don't find it so horrible at all. My Incarnates are NOT high. highest is T3 and its reactive for the 75% for fire damage.   I needed the Ageless for the endurance because of the endurance issues.  That is what I needed from Incarnates. 

But is it my Farm fire/rad Brute ?? NO...

 

I think that is the issue people have.. It isn't that toon that can zip through a mission in 20 seconds and kill everything.   

 

If they get rid of the endurance crash on EMP arrow that would be helpful.

Further there is no power in Trick Arrow that will ignite Oil Slick. Oil Slick does  A LOT of DPS..  So you will need some sort of epic power to ignite it. 

Take this build. Remove the 2 attacks from Mastermind and slot it with Pets and I would say your pretty much set. Pick up the Barrier Incarnate

Edited November 15, 2019 by plainguy

[plainguy]

I would take 2 IOs out of energy torrent and put one in aid other and another in aid self for a bit more heal and recharge.. 8 seconds is a bit long on aid self. 

 

I quickly mashed this up with what I recommended. I am not big on all these proc IOs but I went that route since that seems to be the fashion now a days.

 

Villain Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.0.7
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Level 50 Natural Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Beast Mastery
Secondary Power Set: Trick Arrow
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Medicine
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Flight
Ancillary Pool: Field Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Call Swarm -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx(3), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(3), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(5), Thn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(5), Thn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Entangling Arrow -- GrvAnc-Hold%(A)
Level 2: Flash Arrow -- CldSns-ToHitDeb(A), CldSns-Acc/ToHitDeb(43), CldSns-Acc/Rchg(43), CldSns-ToHitDeb/EndRdx/Rchg(45), CldSns-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), CldSns-%Dam(34)
Level 4: Glue Arrow -- PcnoftheT-Acc/Slow(A), PcnoftheT--Rchg%(7), PcnoftheT-Dmg/Slow(9), PcnoftheT-Acc/EndRdx(9), PcnoftheT-Rng/Slow(42), PcnoftheT-EndRdx/Rchg/Slow(43)
Level 6: Train Beasts -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 8: Summon Wolves -- BldMnd-Acc/Dmg(A), BldMnd-Dmg/EndRdx(13), BldMnd-Acc/EndRdx(13), BldMnd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), BldMnd-Acc(11), BldMnd-Dmg(11)
Level 10: Ice Arrow -- BslGaz-Acc/Hold(A), BslGaz-Acc/Rchg(21)
Level 12: Summon Lions -- BldMnd-Acc/Dmg(A), BldMnd-Dmg/EndRdx(23), BldMnd-Acc/EndRdx(37), BldMnd-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(40), BldMnd-Acc(17), BldMnd-Dmg(17)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 16: Poison Gas Arrow -- FrtHyp-Plct%(A), FrtHyp-Sleep/Rchg(48)
Level 18: Aid Other -- NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(A)
Level 20: Acid Arrow -- OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg(A), OvrFrc-End/Rech(21), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End(25), OvrFrc-Dmg/End/Rech(34), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(34), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(23)
Level 22: Kick -- KntCmb-Knock%(A)
Level 24: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25)
Level 26: Summon Dire Wolf -- SprMarofS-EndRdx/+Resist/+Regen(A), SprMarofS-Acc/Dmg(27), SprCmmoft-Rchg/PetAoEDef(27), EdcoftheM-PetDef(29), SlbAll-Build%(29), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets)(31)
Level 28: Hover -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(42), BlsoftheZ-ResKB(48), BlsoftheZ-Travel(45), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(42)
Level 30: Weave -- RedFrt-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFrt-Def/Rchg(31), RedFrt-EndRdx/Rchg(31), RedFrt-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(33), RedFrt-Def(33), RedFrt-EndRdx(33)
Level 32: Tame Beasts -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 35: Oil Slick Arrow -- PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(A), Dtn-Dmg/Rchg(36), AirBrs-Dmg/Rchg(36), PstBls-Dam%(36), Ann-Dmg/Rchg(37), JvlVll-Dam%(37)
Level 38: EMP Arrow -- Lck-Acc/Hold(A), Lck-Acc/Rchg(39), Lck-Rchg/Hold(39), Lck-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(39), Lck-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(40), Lck-%Hold(40)
Level 41: Temp Invulnerability -- RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(A), RctArm-ResDam(46), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(46)
Level 44: Energy Torrent -- FrcFdb-Rechg%(A), FrcFdb-Dmg/KB(46), FrcFdb-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(50)
Level 47: Aid Self -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(A), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Explosive Blast -- SuddAcc--KB/+KD(A), PstBls-Dam%(50), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 1: Supremacy 
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(19)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A), PrfShf-EndMod(19)
Level 26: Dire Wolf 
Level 1: Pack Mentality 
Level 50: Ageless Partial Core Invocation 
Level 50: Musculature Partial Core Revamp 
Level 8: Alpha Howler Wolf 
Level 8: Howler Wolf 
Level 12: Lioness 
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[Crysis]

My Demon/TA MM was, and continues to be, the absolute worst combo I’ve ever played.  I farm a bunch, and I play a bunch of alts.  I farm to feed my alts.  I think nothing of dropping a billion in IO’s per alt.  Some have much more.  And once I hit 50, I almost always run the toon through incarnates up to T4.  Then I park them and pull them out here and there for certain missions or just to have fun.  This was the ONLY AT I ever got to 50, summarily respecc’ed out of all IO’s and deleted.  It was a mercy killing.

 

Demon/TA was a chore.  ROAR twang twang ROAR twang twang Oil Slick ROAR twang ROAR ignite slick ROAR.......for like 5 minutes a spawn soloing.  In teams I may as well have been the beer cart driver for all the uselessness I brought to the team.

 

This was all back on Live before the proc changes.  This thread gives me hope I could try it again but use Procs to make it semi-useful.  Thematically it was a cool toon with a great backstory (evil Cupid).  Looked cool too.  But damn if it wasn’t weak sauce.

[plainguy]

1 hour ago, Crysis said:

 In teams I may as well have been the beer cart driver for all the uselessness I brought to the team.

 

That made me laugh out loud..

 

I just wanted to clarify something..

I have a second account that I PL all my toons to 50 now.. 

 

I will tell you this clearly, Petless or Semi Petless Masterminds could not be leveled without either going regular route of having all the pets and respecing at 50 or getting Power leveled because the ENDURANCE drain is just too massive for them without incarnates. Meaning leveling Petless with just attacks is TOO MUCH.. The Mastermind attacks are double the endurance of any other archtype for the same attack. 

 

200 to 300 million is my max. 

 

I usually power level the toon to 50.. Transfer the about 100k or a bit more over to the toon in question. Then pull out the other toons and transfer over any IOs, Merits, converters, ETC to make the build. 

Those unique IOs are expensive at 20+ Million a each.. I created a build for a Typed defense cap Dom that needs about 350 million just for those unique IOs.. That build won't happen any time soon.

 

As related to Procs. I need to test out Oil Slick because I do not honestly see the procs working.. I will go over to that island with all the monkeys and do some testing for the procs.

 

 

[Williwaw]

Beasts have a bad reputation for being a weak set, but I'm not sure why, since in DPS tests, they invariably come out on top.

 

My own Beasts/Trick Arrow character plays fantastic.  Love that guy.  (TA isn't great, but it's better when you don't have to fit TA attacks between regular attacks)

[Hedgefund]

No way would I put Beasts as the worst powerset in game, I don't even put them in the bottom tier of MM primaries.

 

They do have nuances, flyers can be problematic for example, but seeing that they come out on top of DPS tests is no surprise to me.

 

TA on the other hand...

[Erydanus]

6 hours ago, Hedgefund said:

They do have nuances, flyers can be problematic for example,

Gosh I know. It's why selection of secondary requires careful consideration. If only there were secondaries with -fly powers.

 

*TURNS TO LOOK AT CAMERA*

[Hedgefund]

Lol, touché.

 

I'll go one step further and self-own... Beast Mastery includes -fly, even an aoe (Hawk and Ravens (for aoe)).