- RES powers

[bentlax33]

Hey all, 

I was playing around with Mids and was wondering are there any current (or archived) threads about the effectiveness of -res powers?  I've been searching a bit and can't really find anything good on the maths....especially against AV's?  I feel like AV's heavily resisted -res and shortened the duration of it? but that's from my memory of like 7yrs ago.   I remember there being discussion around it on the old pylon threads...

 

I also remember that resistance...resists -res ???  Any old guides floating around on -res in general?

 

I'm thinking of rolling a Bane Spider and they can stack alot of -res....

Edited March 3, 2020 by bentlax33

[roleki]

You're right that resistance resists resistable resistance debuffs; Paragon Wiki has an example of this, wherein a Tank with 45 Lethal Resist and 20 Energy Resist gets hit with a -22.5 Resist All, leaving them with 32.625 Lethal Resistance and 2 Energy Resistance.

 

Here's where I diverge from PW; either I am THAT bad at math, or their formula is formatted incorrectly, but this is how *I* get the numbers they arrive at:

 

NewResistance = OriginalResistance - (DebuffAmount - ((DebuffAmount * OriginalResistance) / 100))

 

In their example, that goes:

 

X = 45 - (22.5 - ((22.5 * 45) / 100))

X = 45 - (22.5 - 10.125)

X = 45 - 12.375

X = 32.625  for resulting Lethal Resistance

 

And

 

Y = 20 - (22.5 - ((22.5 * 20) / 100))

Y = 20 - (22.5 - 4.5)

Y = 20 - 18

Y = 2 for resulting Energy Resistance

 

They go on to say that an attack for 100 Lethal would have only hit the Tank for 55 damage before the debuff, but now hits it for 67.375 damage, or, 22.5 percent more damage.  

 

 

[Uun]

Other than damage resistance resisting resistance debuffs, AVs have no innate resistance to resistance debuffs.

 

https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Archvillain_Resistance

[macskull]

Keep in mind that the base value of any debuff is affected by the purple patch before any resistances are applied which makes debuffs less and less useful against higher-level-than-you enemies.

[Bill Z Bubba]

1 hour ago, roleki said:

resistance resists resistable resistance debuffs

 

47 minutes ago, Uun said:

damage resistance resisting resistance debuffs

 

I always loved these threads just for the alliteration.

[roleki]

While I am thinking about it... I know -Res doesn't stack from the same source, but, is that "same source" as in "Player X's copy of PowerName" or is that any -Res from Player X, period?

 

Reason I ask, I have a Fire/Poison controller with some -Res built into the secondary, and the opportunity to put -Res procs throughout the build (Hot Feet takes Annihilation, Poison Trap takes Gladiator, Cinders takes eh, a -Res proc, and there are a couple places to stick Achilles' Heel as well.)

 

Anyway, with all the potential for -Res from so many sources, does that all add up in a stack, or does each effect replace the last?

[SeraphimKensai]

You can easily find out for yourself using the P2W  Temp Power: Power Analyzer. Basically it's like using combat power attributes for your enemies. It's great to figure out exact stats on AV's and such.

[Uun]

5 minutes ago, roleki said:

While I am thinking about it... I know -Res doesn't stack from the same source, but, is that "same source" as in "Player X's copy of PowerName" or is that any -Res from Player X, period?

 

Reason I ask, I have a Fire/Poison controller with some -Res built into the secondary, and the opportunity to put -Res procs throughout the build (Hot Feet takes Annihilation, Poison Trap takes Gladiator, Cinders takes eh, a -Res proc, and there are a couple places to stick Achilles' Heel as well.)

 

Anyway, with all the potential for -Res from so many sources, does that all add up in a stack, or does each effect replace the last?

It's "Player X's copy of PowerName", however, multiple Achilles' Heel procs are considered the same power and you can never have more than one in effect. Not sure whether the Annihilation or Gladiator proc stacks with Achilles' Heel, but all of them will stack with Envenom and Venemous Gas (which stack with each other).

[roleki]

Thank you for clarifying; I'll have to invest in a Power Analyzer and see what's happening with the other -Res procs. 

[Coyote]

Each of the -Res procs is unique to itself but separate from the others. So a target can be affected by only one Achilles, one Fury, and one Annihilation, but it can be affected by all three at the same time.

[Sailboat]

 

On 3/3/2020 at 5:00 PM, Uun said:

Other than damage resistance resisting resistance debuffs, AVs have no innate resistance to resistance debuffs.

 

https://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Archvillain_Resistance

 

On 3/3/2020 at 5:49 PM, Bill Z Bubba said:

 

 

I always loved these threads just for the alliteration.

 

Technically, this means Tyrant himself has no innate resistance to resistance debuffs, but his resistance resists the Resistance's resistable resistance debuffs.

 

(I couldn't resist!)

Edited March 6, 2020 by Sailboat

[ShardWarrior]

On 3/3/2020 at 4:00 PM, roleki said:

resistance resists resistable resistance debuffs

Wow try saying this ten times fast! 😋

[roleki]

2 hours ago, ShardWarrior said:

Wow try saying this ten times fast! 😋

Two.  I can say it exactly twice.