Swift & Hurdle Set Enhancments?

[Herotu]

Is there a reason why we can't use set enhancements in Swift and Hurdle inherent powers?

 

It seems like an oversight or something.

 

I'd like to use sets so I can just slap an attuned in there and forget about them.

[SwitchFade]

I don't recall why, but it's by design.

[aethereal]

It's so that you don't have another place to put the stealth ios or botz kb reduction.

[Greycat]

As I'm recalling, it's so you can't slot the stealth IOs in there - which would make things like hostage missions nigh impossible (since the hostage would lose you constantly, and you can't "turn off" swift/hurdle.)

[macskull]

8 hours ago, Herotu said:

Is there a reason why we can't use set enhancements in Swift and Hurdle inherent powers?

 

It seems like an oversight or something.

 

I'd like to use sets so I can just slap an attuned in there and forget about them.

Can't use travel sets in auto powers because when the invention system was released people were slotting stealth IOs into them and losing NPCs in escort missions. I think the patch that removed the ability for slotting travel sets into auto powers came about a week after inventions were added. I don't really see a good reason why they (or prestige sprints) don't take universal travel IOs though.

Edited February 28, 2021 by macskull

[Herotu]

13 hours ago, macskull said:

Can't use travel sets in auto powers because when the invention system was released people were slotting stealth IOs into them and losing NPCs in escort missions. I think the patch that removed the ability for slotting travel sets into auto powers came about a week after inventions were added. I don't really see a good reason why they (or prestige sprints) don't take universal travel IOs though.

Just to play deviil's advocate, the stealth thing sounds a bit silly, because you CAN put stealth into sprints... oh it's because in Inherent Powers it's permanent stealth that you can't turn off?

[macskull]

3 hours ago, Herotu said:

Just to play deviil's advocate, the stealth thing sounds a bit silly, because you CAN put stealth into sprints... oh it's because in Inherent Powers it's permanent stealth that you can't turn off?

Bingo.

[Placta]

22 hours ago, macskull said:

I don't really see a good reason why they (or prestige sprints) don't take universal travel IOs though.

For the Prestige Sprints, you could get the ones from P2W and put BotZ -kb IOs in all five sprints you don't use for 20 points of KB protection with no build investment. At that point they may as well remove enemy knockback from the game. At least with Hurdle/Swift you'd be giving up a little movement bonus.

[macskull]

19 hours ago, Placta said:

For the Prestige Sprints, you could get the ones from P2W and put BotZ -kb IOs in all five sprints you don't use for 20 points of KB protection with no build investment. At that point they may as well remove enemy knockback from the game. At least with Hurdle/Swift you'd be giving up a little movement bonus.

80% of NPC knockback can be eliminated with just 4 points and 95% with 8 points. At that point enemy knockback has already been functionally removed from the game and it sometimes costs nothing in build investment already, and even with barely-or-unslotted Hurdle/Swift you’re bumping up against the existing travel speed caps when using SS/SJ/Fly.

Edited March 2, 2021 by macskull

[SeraphimKensai]

On 2/28/2021 at 5:50 PM, macskull said:

I don't really see a good reason why they (or prestige sprints) don't take universal travel IOs though.

Personally I'd be alright with that, but that decision as you know would drastically alter a lot of PvP builds across the board so if something like that were ever going to happen I feel it should be due to a consensus of the PvP community.