Mack008 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The patch notes indicate that Full Auto on the Merc Commando had it's activation time reduced. Was this applied applied to the Soldier's Assault Rifle Auto Fire? Quote Full Auto (All Versions, including Henchmen) Cast Time reduced from 4s (or 6s) to 2.5s (Mercenary Commando actually took a whopping 6s before!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbegla Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Short answer is Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack008 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Thank you. Out of curiosity, how did you confirm it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbegla Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mack008 said: Thank you. Out of curiosity, how did you confirm it? the Beta Server Threads mostly, but you can also check by looking at the mercs powers themselves in game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack008 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 OK, feeling dumb... how do I check a henchmen's powers in the game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbegla Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I can't get in game right now (currently at work) but I think you can right click the upgrade and one of the options there will show you what powers it grants to your pets. That should tell you the animation time and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack008 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Ahh! Thank you. I never realized you could click on that text to see the henchman's attack details. (And yes, Soldier's Assault Rifle Auto Fire is now down to 2.5 seconds.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tacheyon Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yep, which is why I am trying out a Mercs/Nature build that I started yesterday. I want to see how the DPS and/or chains have been modified with this simple chain. Obviously it's not got to be world chaining but there should be a bit of an increase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack008 Posted April 21, 2021 Author Share Posted April 21, 2021 Yea, this changes one attack on Soldiers and one on the Commando, so I'm not expecting to see much difference. My Merc/Elec MM is level 35, and I'll toy around with him tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayboH Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 Did they change the recharge? If not, I wouldn't expect much of an increase at all. Flint Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmalltalkJava Posted June 8, 2021 Share Posted June 8, 2021 The full auto change did make a difference. And.., Mercs still need some help 🙂 But putting a shield breaker, and a lady grey proc in each pet is pretty good. You can also put the Achillies Heal -Res proc in one of the pets. I don't know mathematically which one of the pets the Achilles Heel should go into in order to squeeze out most dps. @BGSacho may know. He did some research on Mercs. Touch of Lady Grey - Chance for Negative Damage Shield Breaker - Chance for Lethal Damage Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff Baseline MM Henchmen Defenses and Resist Values MM - Beast Pets - Pet Attack usage and some quick proc testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 Merc damage seems pretty much the same with the change to Full Auto. Just did a run on Beta, only Merc pets. Got the same dps as 1.5 years ago while testing. Both 211 secs, 310 dps. New: Old: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmalltalkJava Posted June 9, 2021 Share Posted June 9, 2021 24 minutes ago, StrikerFox said: Both 211 secs, 310 dps. Well. there we go. I guess it would make sense in the overall scheme of things. Taking into account down time between them using attacks, and cycling through attacks. Baseline MM Henchmen Defenses and Resist Values MM - Beast Pets - Pet Attack usage and some quick proc testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayboH Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 That's why I said that. The change affects Assault Rifle mostly. Mathematically unless they change the recharge it shouldn't help Mercs very much at all. Flint Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senbonbanana Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I'm honestly shocked Mercs DPS didn't go up even a single point. I expected it to go up a little bit, but no change is surprising. Mercs need love, even if it just drags them out of the dumpster. They don't have to be top tier, but they should at least be a competitive choice in the mid-tier. Is there a thread somewhere on suggestions to improve Mercs? The search isn't working this morning and I'm too lazy to troubleshoot right now -.- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 22 hours ago, Senbonbanana said: I'm honestly shocked Mercs DPS didn't go up even a single point. I expected it to go up a little bit, but no change is surprising. It was just a single run, rng likely plays a big part in it. The run with the Full Auto change actually did worse. The old run posted, only one pet was in Leadership range so 5 of 6 didn't get the buffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayboH Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 I mean, the idea is that Full Auto finishes sooner and does better burst, but then I assume they just stand around as long as it takes for their next attack because without altering recharge it probably does nothing for them Flint Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arbegla Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 1 hour ago, JayboH said: I mean, the idea is that Full Auto finishes sooner and does better burst, but then I assume they just stand around as long as it takes for their next attack because without altering recharge it probably does nothing for them I don't have access to City of Data, but don't they have 2-3 other attacks as well? While recharge could be an issue, they should still have a decent attack chain once you get all the upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayboH Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 hours ago, Arbegla said: I don't have access to City of Data, but don't they have 2-3 other attacks as well? While recharge could be an issue, they should still have a decent attack chain once you get all the upgrades. The point is that they didn't alter recharge after altering the new speedier/burstier Full Auto, which could mean they just stand around and basically makes their DPS unchanged, which StrikerFox confirmed Flint Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, JayboH said: The point is that they didn't alter recharge after altering the new speedier/burstier Full Auto, which could mean they just stand around and basically makes their DPS unchanged, which StrikerFox confirmed Lol! What? I didn't confirm that at all. I was trying to confirm if the change to Full Auto would make a significant impact on Merc dps. Anyone who did a lot of testing with proc-less, old Mercs and saved the data, would need to retest with the update to know for sure. The only data I have are proc heavy pets. My Merc dps is very rng dependent with 2-3 damage procs slotted on each pet. I have screenshots of each proc doing anywhere between 6-25% of a pet's total damage. I also have screenshots of the Medic doing more damage than Soldiers and Spec-Ops thanks to proc rng. The same pylon time is pure coincidence and doesn't mean pets stand around doing nothing due to quicker cast times. 7 hours ago, Arbegla said: I don't have access to City of Data, but don't they have 2-3 other attacks as well? While recharge could be an issue, they should still have a decent attack chain once you get all the upgrades. I did check the animation/combat log for a single soldier and he does use another attack quickly after his AR Auto Fire ends. Soldiers have a couple attacks that recharge fast. ASMG Burst (3s) and AR Burst (4s) so they should have an attack, ready to go, at all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayboH Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Ah, see that's correct then: if Burst is 3 sec and AR Burst is 4 sec, I thought Full Auto was 4 sec and is now 2.5 sec for activation, meaning they could possibly be nonstop back to back, but then you add activation time to the cd for Burst and AR Burst... hmm... any increase should be incredibly small from that patch. Recharge time on Commando's Full Auto is a whopping 60 seconds. Flint Eastwood Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SmalltalkJava Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, StrikerFox said: My Merc dps is very rng dependent with 2-3 damage procs slotted on each pet. So for mercs do you run Lady Gray and Shield Breaker in all pets and then Achilles Heel in the T1 Soldiers? That is how i run mine. Edited June 12, 2021 by SmalltalkJava Baseline MM Henchmen Defenses and Resist Values MM - Beast Pets - Pet Attack usage and some quick proc testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SmalltalkJava said: So for mercs do you run Lady Gray and Shield Breaker in all pets and then Achilles Heel in the T1 Soldiers? That is how i run mine. Soldiers: Shield Breaker, Lady Grey, Overwhelming and Soulbound. Spec Ops: Achilles', Shield Breaker and Lady Grey Commando: Explosive Strike, Shield Breaker and Lady Grey I would like Achilles' in Soldiers but wanted Overwhelming and Soulbound slotted on them too. When I tested 1.5 years ago, Explosive Strike performed a lot better than the def debuff procs on Commando. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;714;354;708;HEX;| |78DAF3AD70E159E7DE68CFC028E09C93585C1CEF9B585C925A949B9997C2E15B5A9| |25892999FC7CC0004EC402C8B908C0F2ECDCDCDCFD3F34D2D4A4ECD4B2CCA4C2D96| |4792752A4D4BD373CECF498977C9070A808D11F4CCCB482D4ACD2BD183310403F2F| |37380BCB2CCE2CCA4CC9CCC924A11B0886B45416A51662E500558232F58D02D333D| |A324332F9D1BC2CB0171855D0B3293F59C33128BD253A12EAF94003A540588E7B30| |2094690D3FFB332B001FD20CBC2C074968981C1104887B180699687CC103A02C267| |7386C8E7683240C17F2002023081152C065AC30D51CACA1D023186E708C4581EA8B| |57C506BF90E0269611606814888BAFF78C152A0C992509325658194212783542844| |A75425C4249970085F066A931CD4A6FFA400191674DFFA6088F82244FE07B040031| |628CB08967DCB0514614416798F21F20E43E40386889516C2166B24B68D163C90FF| |DB6AC183E5BF8F30D0B71013FE03007718FBA5| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| Edited June 12, 2021 by StrikerFox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack008 Posted June 17, 2021 Author Share Posted June 17, 2021 StrikerFox, so you don't bother with any of the +Resistance or +Defense IOs for your henchmen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrikerFox Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Mack008 said: StrikerFox, so you don't bother with any of the +Resistance or +Defense IOs for your henchmen? I do but the only way to achieve the slotting was pairing Mercs with Storm. Tornado can slot pet IOs. I did end up dropping the def debuff procs in Commando to give Tornado better damage, recharge and end redux. When I tested 1.5 years ago, the def debuff procs added about +5% dps each to Commando; Explosive Strike proc alone added about +12% dps. | Copy & Paste this data into Mids Reborn : Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;749;380;760;HEX;| |78DAF3AD70E159E7DE68CFC028E09C93585C1CEF9B585C925A949B9997C2EA9B989| |E99CCCC0004EC402C8B90890F2ECDCDCDCFD3F34D2D4A4ECD4B2CCA4C2D96479275| |2A4D4BD30B2EC92FCA852ACCCC4B67100CC8CFCFD1F3CC2BCB2CCE4CCACCC92CA91| |4018BB85614A41665E6A6E695249664E6E7F18205DD32D3334A80BAB821BC1C1057| |D8B5203359CF3923B1283D15EACA4A09A0BB5480783E2B906004B9F43F2B031BD0C| |9B22C0C4C679918180C8174180B986679C80CA123207C3667887C010B0314FC0722| |20001358C162A035DC506BB84320C6F01C8118CB03B5960F6A2DDF41202DCCC2201| |00951F71F2F580A345912E2085649592065C8C920150AD12955093149261CC29779| |099457676190FBCA80CDE472A02A25A8514A8F215A94ED99C0462A3F62023B52F90| |BC4912A4E10719593CCF81D298311483E1822BE0891FF012CD0F800CA328265DF72| |0145189145DE6388BCC310F9802162A585B0C51A896D03647343D9B65AF0D0FCEF2| |30CF419C484FF00B20AF766| |-------------------------------------------------------------------| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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