I need help Sonic / Sonic

[Crossie]

So I read that Sonic got a nice little buff so I built out a Sonic / Sonic Defender and named her Lady Karen.  She isn't like a typical Karen though.  She's a cool Karen.  

 

So far, I am REALLY enjoying playing her.  I am really struggling coming up with a good build for a sonic / sonic defender post changes.  I am really hoping to get some help with build templates I can follow that optimize the new buffs and the new availability of high level powers at an earlier level.  I've scoured the forums and haven't found anything.  Can somebody help me to create one or lead me in the right direction to a solid build post buffs / post earlier level availability of powers?

 

Love,

Karen

[Uun]

Sonic Attack was buffed. Damage was increased significantly for Screech and Siren's Song. Take Screech, Shout and either Shriek or Scream for ST attacks, 2 of the 3 cones plus Aim and Dreadful Wail. 

 

Sonic Resonance was not buffed and is generally considered an underperforming set. Sonic Cage and Sonic Repulsion are almost completely useless and should be skipped. Clarify is optional. Sonic Dispersion requires an ally to cast it on. Liquefy is an interesting T9 but the recharge is way too long. The best that can be said about the set is that most of the powers don't require a lot of slots, which frees you up for pool/epic picks.

[Crossie]

Can you turn the Sonic Repulsion from KB to KD?

[Crossie]

7 minutes ago, Uun said:

Sonic Attack was buffed. Damage was increased significantly for Screech and Siren's Song. Take Screech, Shout and either Shriek or Scream for ST attacks, 2 of the 3 cones plus Aim and Dreadful Wail. 

 

Sonic Resonance was not buffed and is generally considered an underperforming set. Sonic Cage and Sonic Repulsion are almost completely useless and should be skipped. Clarify is optional. Sonic Dispersion requires an ally to cast it on. Liquefy is an interesting T9 but the recharge is way too long. The best that can be said about the set is that most of the powers don't require a lot of slots, which frees you up for pool/epic picks.

According to Wiki - not sure if possible, I can slot Sudden Acceleration KB to KD on Sonic Repulsion which I would imagine would be insanely powerful. 

[Uun]

3 minutes ago, Crossie said:

According to Wiki - not sure if possible, I can slot Sudden Acceleration KB to KD on Sonic Repulsion which I would imagine would be insanely powerful. 

You can, but you can only cast Sonic Repulsion on an ally and they might not be happy about it. It's an expensive toggle to begin with, plus you lose 1 point of endurance for every foe it hits. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen this power used by anyone on live or HC.

[Crossie]

1 minute ago, Uun said:

You can, but you can only cast Sonic Repulsion on an ally and they might not be happy about it. It's an expensive toggle to begin with, plus you lose 1 point of endurance for every foe it hits. To be honest, I don't think I've ever seen this power used by anyone on live or HC.

Hmmmmm.  With fold space being a newer meta - I can see people being happy with teleporting a whole room into one spot then they are knocked down the whole time.  When fold space isn't available, is it really a bad thing to knock down enemies after everything surrounds the tank?  

 

Now that I think about it, whirlpool which sucks enemies towards the center + sonic repulsion KB - KD seems like it would be hella strong. 

[Crossie]

Okay I am pretty sure this build sucks... but....

 

This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
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Level 50 Magic Defender
Primary Power Set: Sonic Resonance
Secondary Power Set: Sonic Attack
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Psychic Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Sonic Barrier

• (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance
• (3) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
• (3) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
  

Level 1: Shriek

• (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
• (5) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime
• (5) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (7) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
• (7) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
• (9) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge
  

Level 2: Sonic Haven

• (A) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (11) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
• (13) Impervium Armor - Psionic Resistance
• (13) Impervium Armor - Resistance
  

Level 4: Howl

• (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
• (15) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
• (15) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
• (17) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
• (17) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  

Level 6: Hasten

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
• (19) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 8: Disruption Field

• (A) Endurance Reduction IO
• (19) Endurance Reduction IO
• (21) Endurance Reduction IO
  

Level 10: Shockwave

• (A) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
• (21) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
• (23) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
• (23) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
• (25) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  

Level 12: Sonic Dispersion

• (A) Impervium Armor - Psionic Resistance
• (25) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Endurance
• (27) Impervium Armor - Resistance/Recharge
• (27) Impervium Armor - Endurance/Recharge
• (29) Impervium Armor - Resistance
  

Level 14: Kick

• (A) Empty
  

Level 16: Shout

• (A) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
• (29) Thunderstrike - Damage/Endurance
• (31) Thunderstrike - Damage/Recharge
• (31) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 18: Sonic Repulsion

• (A) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback/Recharge
• (31) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback/Damage/Recharge
• (33) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback/Damage/Endurance
• (33) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback/Accuracy/Damage
• (33) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback/Accuracy
• (34) Sudden Acceleration - Knockback to Knockdown
  

Level 20: Amplify

• (A) Adjusted Targeting - Recharge
  

Level 22: Tough

• (A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP
• (34) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
• (34) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
• (36) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime
  

Level 24: Weave

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
• (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
• (36) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
• (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  

Level 26: Super Speed

• (A) Empty
  

Level 28: Siren's Song

• (A) Ragnarok - Damage
• (37) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
• (37) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
• (39) Ragnarok - Recharge/Accuracy
• (39) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
• (39) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown
  

Level 30: Maneuvers

• (A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
  

Level 32: Liquefy

• (A) Superior Defender's Bastion - Accuracy/Damage
• (40) Superior Defender's Bastion - Damage/Recharge
• (40) Superior Defender's Bastion - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (40) Superior Defender's Bastion - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (42) Superior Defender's Bastion - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
• (42) Superior Defender's Bastion - Recharge/Chance for Minor PBAoE Heal
  

Level 35: Screech

• (A) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
• (42) Apocalypse - Damage
• (43) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
• (43) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
• (43) Apocalypse - Recharge/Accuracy
  

Level 38: Dreadful Wail

• (A) Superior Vigilant Assault - Accuracy/Damage
• (45) Superior Vigilant Assault - Damage/RechargeTime
• (45) Superior Vigilant Assault - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
• (45) Superior Vigilant Assault - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
• (46) Superior Vigilant Assault - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
• (46) Superior Vigilant Assault - RechargeTime/PBAoE +Absorb
  

Level 41: Tactics

• (A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  

Level 44: Mass Hypnosis

• (A) Call of the Sandman - Chance of Heal Self
  

Level 47: Mind Over Body

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
• (48) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Resist
• (48) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance
• (48) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance/Rech/End
  

Level 49: World of Confusion

• (A) Coercive Persuasion  - Contagious Confusion
• (50) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused
• (50) Coercive Persuasion  - Confused/Recharge
• (50) Coercive Persuasion  - Recharge/Accuracy
  

Level 1: Brawl

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Sprint

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Vigilance 

Level 2: Rest

[MoonSheep]

i’d swap out tough/weave and pick vengeance / spirit ward. both great if you team a lot. a few def IOs in veng makes it really turn the tide of battle, spirit ward placed on the lead aggro taker makes a meaningful difference 

 

you could get away with 2 end reduction slots on disruption field, the difference is minimal having three

 

i’d 3 slot amplify with 2 recharge and 1 guassian’s chance for build up. as amplify recharges so slowly you’re pretty much guaranteed to have the build up proc fire every time, double build up

 

[Uun]

• Sonic Barrier needs 1 more resist to hit ED max.
• Swap your slotting between Shriek and Shout. Shriek has a 3 second recharge and the recharge in the Winter's Bite set is wasted.
• In Howl, swap the dmg/rech for dmg/range. Add a 6th slot with a proc.
• Only 2 endred in Disruption Field (+5 them).
• Consider a kb>kd in Shockwave
• Your slotting of Sonic Repulsion is counter productive. Accuracy, damage and recharge do nothing, while what you need most is endred (and you have a tiny amount). Slot 2 endred (+5 them) and the kb>kd and drop the other 3 slots.
• Tactics needs endred. The power needs to be active for the proc to go off. I prefer putting the BU proc in Amplify so you can use it with Dreadful Wail.
• World of Confusion is a toggle. It needs endred, not recharge. I'd drop this entirely as it only affects minions and has a tiny duration.
• Don't skip Sonic Siphon. It's 30% -res with a 30 sec duration. All it needs is 1 acc and maybe a recharge.

[Meknomancer]

@Crossie, check out @Nemu build (and all the info he provides) if your stuck on psi epic, somewhere near the bottom of that page. I'd swap in mu and powersink having played one on live and here for a few years i know what a nightmare they are on the blue bar. Its an old link not updated for page 5 sonic changes but it looks like an easy swap of scream for screech.

 

 

[Crossie]

12 minutes ago, Meknomancer said:

@Crossie, check out @Nemu build (and all the info he provides) if your stuck on psi epic, somewhere near the bottom of that page. I'd swap in mu and powersink having played one on live and here for a few years i know what a nightmare they are on the blue bar. Its an old link not updated for page 5 sonic changes but it looks like an easy swap of scream for screech.

 

 

Thank you for this!  

[Meknomancer]

@Crossie and this:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Doomguide2005]

On 1/31/2023 at 10:32 AM, Crossie said:

Hmmmmm.  With fold space being a newer meta - I can see people being happy with teleporting a whole room into one spot then they are knocked down the whole time.  When fold space isn't available, is it really a bad thing to knock down enemies after everything surrounds the tank?  

 

Now that I think about it, whirlpool which sucks enemies towards the center + sonic repulsion KB - KD seems like it would be hella strong. 

It looks interesting enough on paper that I'd want to experiment with it but:

1. It is an expensive toggle and on a Tanker/Brute etc. you could easily be looking at a huge cost as they draw more in.
2. If it works well you could leave a melee type (if the targeted ally) restricted to attacks with a range of 10 ft or more.  I'm not familiar enough with the various taunt aura radii on Tankers to know if they'd include targets kd 10 ft away especially with recent Tanker buffs.  Preventing foes from getting closer may hinder their aggro abilities
3. Tic rate (relatively slow) may allow foes in closer than 10 ft.  This may be a good thing depending on the ally targeted.
4. Lack of familiarity may be a hindrance for an melee centric ally as it potentially messes with their attacks (kd occurring beyond melee attack range).
5. Because of some of the above a blaster or other ranged ally may be a better target as the anchor.

Lunch over back later

[JayboH]

Note the KD enhancement change also causes it to hit less often from what I remember. 

[Gentoo]

DId any of you experiment with this? I am curious how it worked out if so. It would be something to make Sonic quite funny and unique (doing it on somebody and watching their reaction).