Kraven the Hunter

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

5 minutes ago, Scarlet Shocker said:

so I just found this... I've been living under a rock for other reasons...

 

But this cannot figure in the MCU...

 

Except and unless Kraven is a son of Zeus. Which is entirely possibly given how he liked to get his end away with all and sundry...

 

It's a Sony joint, so it's the Morbius Cinematic Universe.

 

 

[Scarlet Shocker]

1 hour ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

It's a Sony joint, so it's the Morbius Cinematic Universe.

 

 

 

 

Well I didn't necessarily enjoy the original Morb movie or that... pastiche but the fact does seem to be there's a significan't xover between the two houses given how closely their properties are connected.

 

But my point stands. Russell Crowe is Zeus in the MCU and this guy in the Kraven movie. But Anyone in the Sony movies is legit in the MCU.

 

And MCU has a policy of you play one character in MCU. There's no remix

 

So...

 

how does it pan out?

 

I'm speculum here - but Greek myths have Zeus as a randy-as-fuck bastard who isn't above resorting to watersports (I ain't talking wind surfing) to impregnate some hapless female mortal he takes a shine to. Fundamentally Zeus is a massive rapist. Crowley's role model. Russel Crowe is Zeus in the MCU and this guy here. I suspect fowl play

[Ghost]

Well, it comes out this week.

Im predicting a box office run of about 8 days

 

[Ghost]

And the bad news has already started.

Apparently this was supposed to open on over 4000 screens nationwide.

However,1000 have already cancelled.  Cinemas are saying with the poor Morbius and Madam Web performances, they don’t want to bump more lucrative films for this.

 

 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

11 hours ago, Ghost said:

And the bad news has already started.

Apparently this was supposed to open on over 4000 screens nationwide.

However,1000 have already cancelled.  Cinemas are saying with the poor Morbius and Madam Web performances, they don’t want to bump more lucrative films for this.

 

 

It's also its fourth scheduled release date. Eesh.

 

Projections are $13-$15m for the opening weekend, or around half of what Wicked took in its 3rd week on release.

That would be a decent OW for a low-budget horror or an indie comedy, but for a $130m wide-release studio flick... not great.

[Ghost]

Lolol Rotten Tomatoes score is 12%
 

Sony has found a way for us to stop laughing at Madam Web

[Techwright]

7 hours ago, Ghost said:

Lolol Rotten Tomatoes score is 12%
 

Sony has found a way for us to stop laughing at Madam Web

Wait, wait, wait!  The score has now climbed to ...15%.  Yes!

 

I'd wondered if I'd ever heard of a lower score.  Then I checked.  Yes, yes I had.

 

Morbius (2022) 15%

Batman & Robin (1997) 12%

Jonas Hex (2010) 12%

Madame Web (2024) 11%

Fantastic Four (2015) 9%

Captain America (1990) 6%

 

Even the extremely low-budget, never released (sort of), intentionally pathetic Fantastic Four of 1994 scored a 27%.  That's just humbling to the modern stuff.

 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Just in case you wanted to know... yes, there are zero-rated movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_a_0%_rating_on_Rotten_Tomatoes

 

 

[Ghost]

8 hours ago, Techwright said:

Wait, wait, wait!  The score has now climbed to ...15%.  Yes!

 

I'd wondered if I'd ever heard of a lower score.  Then I checked.  Yes, yes I had.

 

Morbius (2022) 15%

Batman & Robin (1997) 12%

Jonas Hex (2010) 12%

Madame Web (2024) 11%

Fantastic Four (2015) 9%

Captain America (1990) 6%

 

Even the extremely low-budget, never released (sort of), intentionally pathetic Fantastic Four of 1994 scored a 27%.  That's just humbling to the modern stuff.

 

Things are looking up!

 

Time for Sony to start spending money to green light the sequel!

[Luminara]

10 hours ago, Techwright said:

Captain America (1990) 6%

 

Is that the one where he got really old?  That's the only pre-MCU Cap film I remember watching, the one with Captain Oldmerica.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

7 hours ago, Luminara said:

 

Is that the one where he got really old?  That's the only pre-MCU Cap film I remember watching, the one with Captain Oldmerica.

It's... an experience.

 

[Techwright]

8 hours ago, Luminara said:

 

Is that the one where he got really old?  That's the only pre-MCU Cap film I remember watching, the one with Captain Oldmerica.

It's the one where, strangely, Red Skull was an Italian piano prodigy who was forcibly given flawed super-soldier serum by the Italian Nazis and turned into Red Skull, who then proceeds to carry on their work after WW2.  I think Cap wore a motorcycle helmet for part of the film. 

Curiously, the clearly low-budget film had some pretty recognizable names in it, like Darren McGavin of "A Christmas Story" fame, and "Deliverance" veterans Ronny Cox and Ned Beatty.  Bill Mumy ("Lost In Space") was in there, too.

 

It was an odd show, but its all we had at the time, so I watched it a few times.  Might be fun if you are in the mood for cheesy popcorn flicks sometime.

[Techwright]

11 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Just in case you wanted to know... yes, there are zero-rated movies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_with_a_0%_rating_on_Rotten_Tomatoes

 

 

That is an ...interesting... list.    I've actually seen a couple of them.

 

Highlander 2 was definitely a bizarre part of the franchise.  It felt like someone else was writing the story based off of half a page of Cliff Notes from the first film.  That said, I'm not sure I'd have scored it a zero, but there it is.

 

Police Academy 4 I saw about 30 years ago.  I saw all the films in the franchise, but have trouble remembering which is which.  It was just so homogeneous.  I'd probably not have scored it as zero either.  Lower scores, sure, but that would have been all the films, too.  They're popcorn flicks. 

 

Bolero is on the list?  I never saw it, but I remember there was a lot of hype around it.

 

Sad that John Candy's final film, Wagons East! is on that list.  He deserved a better send off.  His Cool Runnings still brings a smile to my face.

 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

I have a confession to make.

During my (brief/traumatic) stay in Whollyodd, I worked on one: Dark Tide.

That was on some promo stuff when they were scrabbling to find distro, so the only way I could have helped would be to burn the negatives and wipe the edit drives. Yes, that bad. I had a flick through the script with a friend and guessed how early one character would get fridged: they didn’t even make it to page twelve.

 

It’s still not the worst one that particular producer put their name to, but they managed to get it out for the public and critics to see. With Netflix and Amazon hungry for endless supplies of content, a lot more crimes against the gods of celluloid are lurking in the dankest recesses of your streaming portals. BEWARE. BEWAAAARRREEE [dramatic chords: wanders off making woooOooOoo noises]

[InvaderStych]

5 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

It’s still not the worst one that particular producer put their name to, but they managed to get it out for the public and critics to see. With Netflix and Amazon hungry for endless supplies of content, a lot more crimes against the gods of celluloid are lurking in the dankest recesses of your streaming portals.

 

Heh. Pardon my latching on to "Industry Story Time," but I, too, should confess one of my own Crimes Against The Gods of Celluloid.

 

I worked several times for a ... let's call him a Financially Successful Director That No One Has Ever Heard Of who made quite a lucrative living off the recesses of first the Direct To Video and Movie of the Week markets, and these days Definitely Straight To Streaming. The stuff I worked on with him were thoroughly terrible Straight To A Cable Channel movies using a 25 year old script bought on the cheap as the core and recycled multiple times by tweaking a detail here and there.

 

You'd (well, probably not you as you're in the know, but the general audience would) be surprised how cheaply these things could be made. Crew of less than a dozen people, lighting kit that fits in a hatchback, shot on things like a Sony EX-1, in a house legendary for its use in the world of p*rn (I worked on several of these, all of them used the same house as the primary location), with the occasional "don't I recognize them from somewhere?" actor well past their heyday in one or more supporting roles.

 

His other "bread & butter" work is/was "college thriller" movies usually featuring a half-dozen shirtless hunks and one femme protagonist under one pseudonym, and kid's movies about things like talking cats under a different pseudonym. The bulk of the industry has been focused on churning out cheaply made nonsense for a very long time. The stuff we see marketed barely approaches scratching the surface. 🤣

 

Hilarious guy to work with though. Something about crewing for a piece that no one is taking seriously is a lot more enjoyable than say working for a 1st time director who is convinced their very existence is riding on the success of their masterpiece. Low stakes, low stress. I mean, I worked on some mediocre films that the producers were taking quite seriously, but the crew ... we always knew what was up. 😉

 

I thought about telling this story in my post in the other thread about financial success not being a good metric by which to measure a film's artistic merit. This guy basically printed money for his distributors. Not because he was churning out great movies, but because he found a couple niche markets with an audience and got them done so cheaply that ROI was a forgone conclusion.

[Ghost]

Lol

Now the director is promising that if you go see this movie, and it makes enough money for a sequel, it will be Kraven Last Hunt - Kraven vs Spiderman 

🤣🤣🤣

 

[PeregrineFalcon]

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Look bud.  If you just go see it, we “promise” Spider-Man will be in the next one.  You can trust us!

[PeregrineFalcon]

22 hours ago, Ghost said:

Look bud.  If you just go see it, we “promise” Spider-Man will be in the next one.  You can trust us!

Eventually Hollyweird will get tired of shitting out crap movies, insulting its customer on social media, and losing millions of dollars each time.

 

But today is not that day!

[Without_Pause]

Buying the rights to anything Marvel doesn't already exclusively already have should be pretty easy for Marvel at this point.

 

"You guys are losing money overall, so this would be an addition via subtraction."

 

If Sony continues down their pathway and screw up what Spider-Man access they do have, Marvel might simply step in to prevent further tarnishing what Marvel is trying to do. 

[Skyhawke]

On 12/12/2024 at 6:03 PM, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

It's... an experience.

Fun fact: The guy playing Cap, Matt Salinger, is the son of J D Salinger (of The Catcher in the Rye fame). Movie still sucked, but that's a neat bit of trivia. 

[battlewraith]

The director on Kraven did Margin Call. Margin Call is a great film that I've rewatched many times. He also did a Film called Triple Frontier that I think was pretty decent. It was done during Covid so most people who saw it probably did so on Netflix. Given the mess that this film seems to be, I have to blame it on the studio and a death by committee situation. My wife was going to make me go see this with her but finally relented upon reading reviews that said Kraven suffered from bad filmmaking--things like bad edits, bad overdubs, etc. 

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

The director on Kraven did Margin Call. Margin Call is a great film that I've rewatched many times. He also did a Film called Triple Frontier that I think was pretty decent. It was done during Covid so most people who saw it probably did so on Netflix. Given the mess that this film seems to be, I have to blame it on the studio and a death by committee situation. My wife was going to make me go see this with her but finally relented upon reading reviews that said Kraven suffered from bad filmmaking--things like bad edits, bad overdubs, etc. 

Sometimes directors do it just for the paycheck, or to fulfill a contractual obligation.

 

Other times, they may have just gotten lucky in the past.

 

 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Sony tapped three relatively unknown but well-respected directors for the Spideyverse flicks: JC Chandor for Kraven (Golden Globe nom and a couple of other good creds), Dan Espinosa for Morbius (cult-ish Swedish director making a first, and possibly last foray into Whollyodd), and perhaps unluckiest of all, journeywoman Brit director SJ Clarkson. I'm not sure if Sony felt that with relatively fresh mea... er, less authoritative directors, they could impose a corporate vision and a storm of notes more effectively.

 

TBH, I feel that two of the three Golden Raspberries should land on the desk of Sazama and Sharpless for hideous, unworkable, but apparently studio-blessed scripts.

 

And as for Kraven... m'learned coll's @Ghost's point about "getting lucky once" definitely applies to the scribblers, Art Marcum and  Matt Holloway. They wrote the original MCU hit Iron Man. However, MIB:International and Uncharted didn't exactly extend their streak: see also Transformers: Last Knight (even if they did score Sir Tony Bloody Hopkins his very self to appear in it, who tucks into a ludicrous role will relish and a side of bara brith.)