ecjones2 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 "Defeat Veles" and similar missions are Timed Escort Missions, the worst kind of feces any game can contain. Maybe it was an original NC Soft/Cryptic design but that kind of refuse should be removed/changed to make the game better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frostbiter Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I kind of agree with it being bad mission design in general but that particular mission is only hard because of Veles and then you get hit with an escort. The timer is more for tension than anything. It's 150' to the door in that mission. I helped someone with Veles the other day. I had enough time to rescue the NPC, run to the door, forget I had stealth on, and then run the hall twice more. 1 1 Torchbearer Discount Heroes SG: Frostbiter - Ice/Ice Blaster Throneblade - Broadsword/Dark Armor Brute Silver Mantra - Martial Arts/Electric Armor Scrapper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 What @Frostbiter said, tension. I honestly love that arc because of moments like that. Well the whole thing really. Chernobog's cutscenes, the rave music in that club where those asshole Skulls: Spoiler Lock the ravers in with orders to kill anyone who tries to get out And yes, the timer. Honestly its a well crafted series of missions compared to things like escorting the office workers in OG Positron through waves of Ruin Mage-infused ambushed. And its not just old NCSoft/Cryptic; do the Homecoming created Story Arc of awesome called the Graveyard Shift. Spoiler Get out of the explody in time. Are there annoying ones, sure. Roy Cooling Arc ( Spoiler Where you have to rescue the Rogue PPD Cops form the burning building for the badge. Tension and you feel you earned your reward. 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Totally Cali, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranagrande Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Does the timer even do anything? I usually have it run out and I can still complete the mission anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 generally if you fail any mission on time in CoH it is due to: 1) this pizza guy showed up, and rammed his car into your house, then barricaded himself inside, while holding you at gunpoint 1a) this is why i never deliver pizzas anymore 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorkNemesis Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 On the contrary, I actually like the tight timed missions. Prior to more recent updates before sunset, pretty much any timed mission that wasn't from Efficiency Expert Pither was far too generous for it's time limit. The short timers add to a sense of urgency in the narratives (the building's about to explode, wrap things up and get the hell out!) while also making you have to focus for a change. Also, in the case of Veles, that arc may not have actually been fully tested and ready. It was part of the major update that was set to come just before the shutdown was announced. It may have some issues stemming from the development's plug being pulled. Currently playing on Indomitable as @Zork Nemesis; was a Protector native on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadesofDawn7971 Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 10 minutes ago, Snarky said: generally if you fail any mission on time in CoH it is due to: 1) this pizza guy showed up, and rammed his car into your house, then barricaded himself inside, while holding you at gunpoint 1a) this is why i never deliver pizzas anymore To the first part, yeah, I've even had timed missions where I've died and had to run back and still had time to complete the mission with ease within the timer. To the second part... we need a Red Side mission where you are tasked to deliver a pizza to a super base in an attempt to get in undercover to plant a bug. Instead everything goes tits up so you have to blast your way in, barracade yourself inside while your contact ransacks their computer remotely, all while police and supers form up outside. Maybe having to run around the base to stop infiltration attempts. Then you have to blast your way back out through them and escape. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarky Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, ShadesofDawn7971 said: To the first part, yeah, I've even had timed missions where I've died and had to run back and still had time to complete the mission with ease within the timer. To the second part... we need a Red Side mission where you are tasked to deliver a pizza to a super base in an attempt to get in undercover to plant a bug. Instead everything goes tits up so you have to blast your way in, barracade yourself inside while your contact ransacks their computer remotely, all while police and supers form up outside. Maybe having to run around the base to stop infiltration attempts. Then you have to blast your way back out through them and escape. It sounds like YOU are ready to write an AE arc! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go0gleplex Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 I've never had any issues with timed missions, Veles included. Most of them I don't even hit the halfway mark before completing...and that's going solo. I'd simply like to see a LOT more variety in villains throughout the zones rather than focus groups by level band. It's not like the bad guys are lacking numbers. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 (edited) 42 minutes ago, ranagrande said: Does the timer even do anything? I usually have it run out and I can still complete the mission anyway. Depends. In Cooling's arc you don't make the time you don't get the badge. In Graveyard, you don't get the badge. Failure rarely results in the full fail, just look at that doctor rescue in Moonfire. Do not mention Efficiency Expert Pither. That MFer counts time to the nano-second and sucks. Funny though. First time I ever did Hess back on live that countdown timer effed me up panicking. Edited January 25 by High_Beam Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Totally Cali, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Cat Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 You think that mission is bad? I liked it quite a bit. Some real bad mission designs are in Croatoa. I like the place and arcs overall but damn there are three missions in particular off the top of my mind that are stinkers. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorkNemesis Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 2 minutes ago, A Cat said: there are three missions in particular off the top of my mind that are stinkers. I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking this. Stop the Ritual, which is a kill-all in disguise on a big map and mobs run for an exit. Automatic skip in my books, one of the few I do that with. 2 Currently playing on Indomitable as @Zork Nemesis; was a Protector native on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 1 hour ago, ZorkNemesis said: Stop the Ritual, which is a kill-all in disguise on a big map and mobs run for an exit. Automatic skip in my books, one of the few I do that with. Yeah that one kind of blows and sucks at the same time. I only do Croatoa arcs with my magic origin types. 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Totally Cali, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Several alts and of course my original from live on Freedom, OG High Beam (someone else has her non OG name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasperStone Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 Ray Cooling Story Arc In the end, you Defeat Mr Y. in a Burning Building Suddenly, it turns into a timed Mission where you have 5 minutes to rescue 12 NPC, Find Harken, and lead him to the exit. The Tension is awesome! /e poofgone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, ShadesofDawn7971 said: To the first part, yeah, I've even had timed missions where I've died and had to run back and still had time to complete the mission with ease within the timer. To the second part... we need a Red Side mission where you are tasked to deliver a pizza to a super base in an attempt to get in undercover to plant a bug. Instead everything goes tits up so you have to blast your way in, barracade yourself inside while your contact ransacks their computer remotely, all while police and supers form up outside. Maybe having to run around the base to stop infiltration attempts. Then you have to blast your way back out through them and escape. There kind of sort of is one? I can't remember which one, but there is a mission where you infiltrate a Longbow base and have to take out the Longbow supervisors or night watch, and one of the Longbow targets is "Wait, you aren't the snack machine guy!". (Or something like that.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudra Posted January 25 Share Posted January 25 19 hours ago, Go0gleplex said: I've never had any issues with timed missions, Veles included. Most of them I don't even hit the halfway mark before completing...and that's going solo. I'd simply like to see a LOT more variety in villains throughout the zones rather than focus groups by level band. It's not like the bad guys are lacking numbers. 😉 There are 2 timed missions that are problems in my book, and one of those is intentional in design. (You are supposed to fail it, but if you remember where the glowies were on the previous map, you can get them on the timed map and not fail.) The one that wasn't designed to be a problem was a red side mission that was a defeat all for Freakshow and it had the Arachnos layer cake room. With one of the Freakshow somehow all the way on a ceiling pipe where he shouldn't have been able to get to. (You get 90 minutes to finish that mission, and I had less than 10 seconds left before I finally found him and defeated him.) Barring odd spawning like that lone Freakshow though? Yeah, there is ample time to finish a timed mission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranebump Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 I’ve had Veles kick my ass before. But I can’t recall ever failing the timed rescue. Might be an issue if you’re still being chased by Veles’s Grave Knight (which I believe doesn’t die because Veles surrenders before he falls). I have done a TON of AE work, both long form and single arc. Just search the AE mish list for my sig @cranebump. For more information on my stories, head to the AE forum sub-heading and look for “Crane’s World.” Support your AE authors! We ARE the new content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudra Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 2 minutes ago, cranebump said: I’ve had Veles kick my ass before. But I can’t recall ever failing the timed rescue. Might be an issue if you’re still being chased by Veles’s Grave Knight (which I believe doesn’t die because Veles surrenders before he falls). The Grave Knight can be defeated, but Veles will always summon a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cranebump Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 He won’t after he surrenders will he? I have done a TON of AE work, both long form and single arc. Just search the AE mish list for my sig @cranebump. For more information on my stories, head to the AE forum sub-heading and look for “Crane’s World.” Support your AE authors! We ARE the new content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudra Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 (edited) 17 minutes ago, cranebump said: He won’t after he surrenders will he? Yes, he will. As long as Veles is on the map and combat has started, even after it is finished and he has surrendered, he will summon a replacement as needed to always have a Grave Knight available. And the Grave Knight, as a pet, remains hostile to you regardless of whether or not the fight with Veles is done. Fighting the Grave Knight just uses up time, both while fighting Veles and after he surrenders. Edited January 27 by Rudra Edited to add "to always have a Grave Knight available". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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