Be Gentle :) Sort of a Test

[WuTang]

This is my first attempt at posting a build, it's sort of mine. I modified @Infinitum SS/Inv build from like 2 years ago. It's for a "Hulk" build so I needed Super Jump instead of Flight and I took everything in the Fighting pool and needed to move some enhancements around, but everything else is from the original build, which I think was really good. I wanted Hand Clap and Hurl but couldn't fit them as I also wanted the build to actually be viable...or what I think is viable, which is what I'm hoping you guys might let me know.

 

OK I can't see how to import the nice link...so I think this will be the long format, sorry....

 

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Edited March 12 by WuTang

[Infinitum]

1 hour ago, WuTang said:

This is my first attempt at posting a build, it's sort of mine. I modified @Infinitum SS/Inv build from like 2 years ago. It's for a "Hulk" build so I needed Super Jump instead of Flight and I took everything in the Fighting pool and needed to move some enhancements around, but everything else is from the original build, which I think was really good. I wanted Hand Clap and Hurl but couldn't fit them as I also wanted the build to actually be viable...or what I think is viable, which is what I'm hoping you guys might let me know.

 

OK I can't see how to import the nice link...so I think this will be the long format, sorry....

 

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I haven't had a chance to look at your build yet but I had a thought. Go with force of will and get mighty leap instead of super jump and also pick up unleash potential. 

[Sovera]

I get an error importing it. Try dropping the file into your post. The import and export has been borked for a while and file dropping is how we get around it.

[Snarky]

Also, have you looked at Hyperstrike and his work on Invulnerability?  Top botch, some of it set up for 4star Aeon (the MO Durable builds). It would benefit you to peek at his work and het ideas

[Infinitum]

21 hours ago, Snarky said:

Also, have you looked at Hyperstrike and his work on Invulnerability?  Top botch, some of it set up for 4star Aeon (the MO Durable builds). It would benefit you to peek at his work and het ideas

I forgot to post in here, but I was talking with Wu in PM to customize a build for them.

 

Trying to channel the hulk this is what we came up with. 

 

Brute (Super Strength - Invulnerability).mbd

[Lantra]

One would think a SS/Rad or Bio would work better for a Hulk build

[Thraxen]

1 hour ago, Lantra said:

One would think a SS/Rad or Bio would work better for a Hulk build

If it weren’t for the unavoidable graphics those two add maybe. I think inv is correct. 

[Erratic1]

6 hours ago, Thraxen said:

If it weren’t for the unavoidable graphics those two add maybe. I think inv is correct. 

Bio has a minimum gfx setting with only one power retaining it's full effect (and can be played as a sort of transformation thing). The lesser effects can be mostly hidden via costume color choices and are no more obtrusive than Invulnerability's effects.

Edited March 16 by Erratic1

[Thraxen]

Adaptations can’t be minimized. 

[Zect]

On 3/15/2024 at 12:11 PM, Infinitum said:

I forgot to post in here, but I was talking with Wu in PM to customize a build for them.

 

Trying to channel the hulk this is what we came up with.

 

Brute (Super Strength - Invulnerability).mbd 44.38 kB · 8 downloads

 

This build is pretty bad. (I also do not recommend hyperstrike builds, which are very low quality. They are a good exercise for novice builders in identifying common build design errors, though.) It doesn't utilize slot-efficient choices for the bonuses it's pursuing, so it wastes a lot of slots. See how you can get the same or more stats from a lot fewer sets:

 

 

The brute ATIO when split up 3 and 3 gives 10% SL def, the most slot-efficient SL def in the entire game (tied with scrapper ATIO). Not taking advantage of this is a mistake. This also gives us the opportunity to move the 3xFF set to a place where its proc is more likely to be both useful and frequently procced, and the enhancement value of the FF pieces is put to good use. Judicious use of boosters helps shore up enhancement values without spending slots, and we avoid chasing positional defense bonuses such as 6x numina's to focus on more slot-efficient typed defense bonuses instead. And now the ATIO2 regen proc is actually in an attack you might want to use.

 

I also burst out laughing when I saw invincibility toggled to 10, rage toggled to 2 and the FF proc toggled on. You're only going to get that performance a fraction of the time in the actual game. Sorry, but this is just mids-warrioring - you've made something that looks pretty in the builder without thought for whether this is a realistic depiction of the performance one might expect. You might as well take barrier and toggle that on instead; it would be equally honest.

 

Brute (Super Strength - Invulnerability)2.mbd

Edited March 16 by Zect

[Infinitum]

31 minutes ago, Zect said:

 

This build is pretty bad. (I also do not recommend hyperstrike builds, which are very low quality. They are a good exercise for novice builders in identifying common build design errors, though.) It doesn't utilize slot-efficient choices for the bonuses it's pursuing, so it wastes a lot of slots. See how you can get the same or more stats from a lot fewer sets:

 

 

The brute ATIO when split up 3 and 3 gives 10% SL def, the most slot-efficient SL def in the entire game (tied with scrapper ATIO). Not taking advantage of this is a mistake. This also gives us the opportunity to move the 3xFF set to a place where its proc is more likely to be both useful and frequently procced, and the enhancement value of the FF pieces is put to good use. Judicious use of boosters helps shore up enhancement values without spending slots, and we avoid chasing positional defense bonuses such as 6x numina's to focus on more slot-efficient typed defense bonuses instead. And now the ATIO2 regen proc is actually in an attack you might want to use.

 

I also burst out laughing when I saw invincibility toggled to 10, rage toggled to 2 and the FF proc toggled on. You're only going to get that performance a fraction of the time in the actual game. Sorry, but this is just mids-warrioring - you've made something that looks pretty in the builder without thought for whether this is a realistic depiction of the performance one might expect. You might as well take barrier and toggle that on instead; it would be equally honest.

 

Brute (Super Strength - Invulnerability)2.mbd 39.1 kB · 0 downloads

You really don't know what you are talking about. 

[Erratic1]

7 hours ago, Thraxen said:

Adaptations can’t be minimized. 

 

"Minimized" is not synonymous with "non-existent".

 

I will grant Genetic Contamination is going to be rather present on your screen but that is true of all the damage auras.

Edited March 16 by Erratic1

[Thraxen]

You win the grammar award. 

[Thraxen]

Inv can be made to be non existent if that is the preferred word needed.   

[Thraxen]

2 hours ago, Zect said:

 

This build is pretty bad. (I also do not recommend hyperstrike builds, which are very low quality. They are a good exercise for novice builders in identifying common build design errors, though.) It doesn't utilize slot-efficient choices for the bonuses it's pursuing, so it wastes a lot of slots. See how you can get the same or more stats from a lot fewer sets:

 

 

The brute ATIO when split up 3 and 3 gives 10% SL def, the most slot-efficient SL def in the entire game (tied with scrapper ATIO). Not taking advantage of this is a mistake. This also gives us the opportunity to move the 3xFF set to a place where its proc is more likely to be both useful and frequently procced, and the enhancement value of the FF pieces is put to good use. Judicious use of boosters helps shore up enhancement values without spending slots, and we avoid chasing positional defense bonuses such as 6x numina's to focus on more slot-efficient typed defense bonuses instead. And now the ATIO2 regen proc is actually in an attack you might want to use.

 

I also burst out laughing when I saw invincibility toggled to 10, rage toggled to 2 and the FF proc toggled on. You're only going to get that performance a fraction of the time in the actual game. Sorry, but this is just mids-warrioring - you've made something that looks pretty in the builder without thought for whether this is a realistic depiction of the performance one might expect. You might as well take barrier and toggle that on instead; it would be equally honest.

 

Brute (Super Strength - Invulnerability)2.mbd 39.1 kB · 0 downloads

A lot of builders around here just like talking each other up while posting builds that would be vastly different in game than on paper. I build with invincibility set to 1. Anything else is a bonus or makes up for not great ddr. 

[Erratic1]

13 minutes ago, Thraxen said:

Inv can be made to be non existent if that is the preferred word needed.   

 

Mostly non-existent. Even in its no effects mode a few leak through.

 

9 minutes ago, Thraxen said:

I build with invincibility set to 1. Anything else is a bonus or makes up for not great ddr. 

 

Invincibility set to 1, Hasten not toggled on unless it is perma, Fury set at 80. 

 

Also I prefer to post builds where the spread between endurance consumption and recovery is at least 2/sec (unless there are endurance recover powers involved).

[Thraxen]

25 minutes ago, Erratic1 said:

 

Mostly non-existent. Even in its no effects mode a few leak through.

 

 

Invincibility set to 1, Hasten not toggled on unless it is perma, Fury set at 80. 

 

Also I prefer to post builds where the spread between endurance consumption and recovery is at least 2/sec (unless there are endurance recover powers involved).

nothing from invincibility “leaks through”. If turned to minimal nothing shows. 

[Thraxen]

Just tried in game. Even unstoppable doesn’t have graphics. 

[Erratic1]

4 minutes ago, Thraxen said:

Just tried in game. Even unstoppable doesn’t have graphics. 

 

I ran put together the  custom colorizations for an Invulenrablity  character I made last night and they were definitely showing throw despite being set for no effects.

 

Will check again once I get back.

[Thraxen]

Also, end procs don’t show in mids. I aim for recover double what usage is from toggles. Then end procs make it where I never run out. 

[Infinitum]

1 hour ago, Thraxen said:

A lot of builders around here just like talking each other up while posting builds that would be vastly different in game than on paper. I build with invincibility set to 1. Anything else is a bonus or makes up for not great ddr. 

If a brute or tanker and isn't around 10 or more 90% of the time - the point of the ATs are lost. 

 

The main point of my builds for tanker and brute is survivability - but they don't miss out on damage either. 

 

Lots of people have played my builds and Hyperstrikes builds in game and have never had issues with them for that matter. 

 

I certainly don't. If you need an in game demonstration hit me up. I will demonstrate and test with anyone - any one of my builds - and will own up if I am incorrect. Just ask @Spaghetti Betty

Edited March 16 by Infinitum

[Thraxen]

Case in point of talking each other up on forums. 
 

I don’t need proof.  Most of y’all don’t take taunt  either. Cause we do fine without it. 
 

The game is easy so fuck it. Do what ya want. 
 

Im unsure why I still care. 

[Erratic1]

1 hour ago, Thraxen said:

Just tried in game. Even unstoppable doesn’t have graphics. 

 

 Dull Pain has a cloud like effect, even when set to No Effect.

[Infinitum]

1 hour ago, Thraxen said:

Case in point of talking each other up on forums. 
 

I don’t need proof.  Most of y’all don’t take taunt  either. Cause we do fine without it. 
 

The game is easy so fuck it. Do what ya want. 
 

Im unsure why I still care. 

You cared enough to run your mouth didn't you? 

[Thraxen]

Lol 

gl