Is Infiltration (Stealth Pool) & Celerity +Stealth IO enough?

[Story Archer]

If I drop a Celerity +Stealth IO into the Infiltration slot and turn it on, do stealth benefits of both stack or is there some sort of funky interaction I need to be aware of?

 

If they do, is that adequate to effectively stealth missions I don't want to fight my way through?

 

TIA.

[Gulbasaur]

It's enough for general gameplay. As long as you don't run up to mobs, you should be absolutely fine.

[Maelwys]

Multiple abilities which decrease the radius at which you're noticed ("Stealth Powers") no longer stack with each other.
However they *do* stack with a Stealth IO.
So you could have SuperSpeed and a Stealth IO; and they'd stack.
Or Infiltration and a Stealth IO, and they'd stack.
But SuperSpeed and Infiltration would NOT stack.

Each AT has a different Stealth Cap which increases as they level up - but this always caps out at 200ft+ in PVE.
(Once upon a time this used to actually matter in PVP zones for detecting Stalkers)
Most enemies in the game have a perception radius of around 50-55 feet.
"Snipers" have a greater radius - 149 feet.

+ Stealth IOs grant you +30ft StealthRadius (which by itself would mean "most foes" start to see you ~20ft away instead of ~50ft away)
+ Infiltration grants +36ft StealthRadius
Combined that's ~66ft; meaning normal foes won't ever spot you... but you still need to be careful of "snipers" (within missions these are mainly Nemesis LTs), GMs, Rularuu, etc.
Alternatively you could just take Power Pool Stealth which by itself grants +55ft StealthRadius.

Hide (Stalkers) and Superior Invisibility (Illusion Control) are the only stealth abilities that will let you walk right up to a Sniper unnoticed.
However you can also debuff enemy perception via things like Smoke Grenade.
 

Edited May 10, 2024 by Maelwys

[Scarlet Shocker]

I often take stealth - not least because it's a useful mule for an LotG Global Rech - and then shove a stealth IO in to one of the Prestige Sprints. I find those work fine in almost all instances - and if they don't I'm probably out of my depth anyhow

[lemming]

Infiltration plus Celerity works fine for any mob without +per and assuming you don't have a field that alerts them.

[ZekeStenzland]

Some other things you might want to consider depending on how much you want to stealth missions: -perception powers and placate powers. These can help with the following cases. 

 

• Some mobs ignore stealth, like Rularuu eyes and Rikti drones. 
• Some mobs have much better perception, like Nemesis snipers and Knives of Artemis. 
• Stealth suppresses when clicking glowies, but mob debuffs do not. 
   

 

[Uun]

19 hours ago, Gulbasaur said:

It's enough for general gameplay. As long as you don't run up to mobs, you should be absolutely fine.

Infiltration plus a +stealth IO allows you to stand next to mobs undetected (except for those that ignore stealth).

[Nostromo21]

I love stealth in-game for any toon (along with sorcery flight/teleport!). BUT, I just started a MM demons/thermal, so no native stealth :(.

Are there any pool powers or IOs, etc that give team stealth...? Otherwise I guess my only option is to unsummons all of the pets if I want to stealth past mobs to the mission objective say, yeah...? Cheers!

Edited Tuesday at 02:02 AM by Nostromo21

[srmalloy]

46 minutes ago, Nostromo21 said:

Are there any pool powers or IOs, etc that give team stealth...?

Unfortunately, the AoE stealth powers are buried in primary or secondary powersets, like Shadow Fall, Steamy Mist, or Group Invisibility.

[TheMoneyMaker]

The concealment pool has a Grant Invisibility power, but it's single target only, so you'd have to apply it to each pet individually. It has a 3 second recharge and lasts about 2 minutes, so it might be tedious but it's more effective than unsummoning your pets then resummoning and rebuffing them again later.

Edited Tuesday at 05:56 AM by TheMoneyMaker

[Psyonico]

If you are going to go the Grant Invisibility route, make sure to put your on passive so they don’t just aggro things anyway.

[Snarky]

12 hours ago, Nostromo21 said:

I love stealth in-game for any toon (along with sorcery flight/teleport!). BUT, I just started a MM demons/thermal, so no native stealth :(.

Are there any pool powers or IOs, etc that give team stealth...? Otherwise I guess my only option is to unsummons all of the pets if I want to stealth past mobs to the mission objective say, yeah...? Cheers!

It was mentioned, and i forget the details, that a day job accolade granted charges of the smoke grenade.  You can click glowies and waltz past snipers with a smoke grenade on them.  

[Octogoat]

I'd just like to mention that as an exception to the rule stealth + veat stealth do stack.

[Hedgefund]

Just fyi, some of the Demons have a debuff/damage aura and will aggro mobs even if invis and on passive mode.

[Nostromo21]

Maybe I'll just killify everything and unsummon if and when I really need to skip to the end he he!

[lemming]

1 hour ago, Nostromo21 said:

Maybe I'll just killify everything and unsummon if and when I really need to skip to the end he he!

They can't see you if they're unconscious (or ded)!