How long does that trial take?

[Oklahoman]

@BlackSpectre suggested I post this thread, and I'd like others to chime in, as well. The question we league leaders get a lot is "how long does that take?" So, here's a thread dedicated to answering that, as well as arguing about it down to the second (as is tradition here on the forums).

 

Based on my experience, and what I tend to run most, speaking in generalities, I would say...

• Speed Lambda - pretty consistently 12 minutes, if we only clear 1 side. After you clear the weapon caches you usually have 2 minutes or less before Marauder appears. If you can clear the containment chambers faster than that, go for it, otherwise your best bet is to wait on Marauder to get there on his moped using Apple Maps.
• Lamdba badge runs - roughly 20 minutes each, since you can't use the pacification grenades. (See my signature for how to figure out who did, though.)
• BAF - about 20 minutes, whether you are doing a regular run or a badge run. Doesn't seem to be a significant difference.
• Dilemma Diabolique - 20 to 25 minutes. This is one that's pretty easy to get Master on if everyone follows chat at least a little, so no clue what a regular run would be. I would think about the same.
• TPN Campus - 20-25 minutes here, too. Maybe a bit faster if you aren't worried about badges at all, or if you're just trying for the News Flash badge.
• Magisterium - Probably about 20 minutes. It depends - I ran with a pretty low DPS group today and we went down to the wire on the AVs, so that can stretch it out, especially if you use a lot of time on Tyrant, too.

 

I'll also throw in a couple of non-iTrial things, as well:

• Mothership Raid (MSR) - about 45 minutes, counting taking out pylons and the Drop Ship afterwards.
• Hami Raid - Hamikaze style, we usually can get 4 runs in under 30 minutes, probably under 20 most times. It all depends on how fast Hami chooses to spawn for us.
• DFB - probably about 20 minutes.
• DiB - probably about 20 minutes, too.

 

As an aside, the problem I have with the question itself (when players ask me) is that I can't tell you how long it will take to recruit. A Speed Lambda, for instance, may actually take 30 minutes total if you are the first one into the league and recruiting is slow. You can definitely run these without a full league, but sometimes it can take a while to recruit even enough to know you'll probably be successful.

[BlackSpectre]

thanks for that list, Oakley! Very helpful!
 

What about task forces? 

Here’s a list…

 

The Rule of Three	Positron
Dam Heroes	Positron
The Fall of the Clockwork King	Synapse
A Clamor for the People	Penelope Yin
The Sky is Falling	Admiral Sutter
The Kheldian War	Moonfire
Citadel's Children	Citadel
The MegaMech Cometh	Ernesto Hess
A Tangled Plot	Katie Hannon
Following Countess Crey	Manticore
Soul of the Woodsman	Numina
Time's Arrow	Imperious
Explorers and Exploiters	Dr. Quaterfield
The Legend of Ruladak	Sara Moore
The Saga of Faathim	Justin Augustine
The Saga of Lanaru	Faathim the Kind
Ms. Liberty Task Force	Ms. Liberty
The Lady Grey Task Force	The Lady Grey
Return of the Reichsman	Dr. Kahn
Alpha Strike	Apex
The Praetorian Offensive	Tin Mage Mark II

[Uun]

Positron I / II: 20-30 minutes each.

 

Synapse: 60-90 minutes. 

 

Penny Yin: 20-30 minutes for a non-speed run. 

 

Moonfire: 30-45 minutes.

 

Citadel: 45-60 minutes. Having 3+ people with Team TP speeds things up considerably.

 

Katie Hannon: 20-30 minutes at +0. Increasing the notoriety will add significant time to the first mission (on higher difficulties the final waves will be +5).

 

Manticore: 45-60 minutes if you stealth to objective on missions 3, 5, 6 and 7. At least double that if you kill to objectives.

 

Numina: 40-50 minutes.

 

Admiral Sutter: 40-50 minutes. Varies depending on familiarity with the missions.

 

Imperious: 15 minutes for a speed run, 45-60 minutes for a +4 kill most. 

 

Kahn: 15 minutes for a speed run, 45-60 minutes for a non-speed run (longer if team isn't Incarnates or notoriety is increased).

 

Apex / Tin Mage: About 15 minutes each. Can run a few minutes longer if the team is inexperienced. Apex is essentially a kill all. Tin Mage is typically run as objectives only with most of the mobs in missions 1 and 3 skipped (mission 2 is a kill all).

 

 

[BlackSpectre]

This is so awesome! Thanks guys! 🙂

[SuperPlyx]

Nice list of times.

I swear it proves that enjoyment or lack there of affects the perceived speed of time,I hate the TPN so that one always seem to take a damn hour when I do it. I know it doesn't take anywhere near that, but I would never had guessed only 20 minutes.

[BlackSpectre]

The goal here is to set expectations on about how long a TF or trial will take to complete. We need this data to set aside an adequate amount of time in our real lives to accomplish the TFs and trials. There have been many times when I found myself stuck in a TF or trial that took much longer to complete than I had time for.  Frankly, I had no idea how long the TF would take when I joined up. This necessitated the entire team to log out so we can log back in at the same time (requires a lot of organization and time management skill on the part of players... definitely NOT a PUG team), log out and abandon my team (I hate to do this), or bite the bullet and stick it out until the end, resulting in various troubles in RL big and small.  And then there's player stamina. We all have different levels of healthiness and fitness, both mental and physical, and an estimated completion time would help people decide whether or not they're up to the task. There are many other good reasons to have an estimated completion time too, but I figure these two are the most common.

 

And yes, wait times for the team or league to fill would also be very useful, but I'm not currently trying to bite off that lofty goal. I figure an estimated time to complete trials and TFs would be "good enough" to start so players would have an idea of how much time they'd need to set aside. We can always mention that there may be a wait time to start.

 

Sans data mining, the best option to determine TF completion times seems to me to be anecdotal data from the folks who do these TFs and trials frequently. I really liked the way @Oklahoman Structured his answer into the most common goals for trials, speed runs vs kill alls. From LFG chat that appears to be the 2 major ways the player base has of doing TFs and trials, so why not use them to answer times? These would necessarily be estimates, but hopefully they'd be reasonable or educated estimates from the experts who actually run these things (or join them)  often. 

 

Over at another post someone suggested using the time-based challenge times to get an idea of how long TFs take. I've made a list, but @Uun's times seem much more realistic, based in real experience. Meanwhile, the challenge times seem very arbitrary and not really based on how long the TFs will actually take to complete.  

 

@Uun didn't give times for all the TFs, so if you have a lot of experience running the task forces please fill in the blanks.  Once the Homecoming wiki is able to be edited again, I plan to add a completion times column for task forces and trials. 

 

In the meantime, here's the list of time-based challenge times that I collected from the Challenge Settings for each task force...

 

 

Task Force Name	Contact	Challenge Settings Gold Time (min)	Silver Time	Bronze Time	@uun Player Times
The Rule of Three	Positron	30	60	90	20-30
Dam Heroes	Positron				20-30
The Fall of the Clockwork King	Synapse	90	180	360	60-90
A Clamor for the People	Penelope Yin	30	60	90	20-30
The Sky is Falling	Admiral Sutter	30	60	90	40-50
The Kheldian War	Moonfire	30	60	90	30-45
Citadel's Children	Citadel	30	60	90	45-60
The MegaMech Cometh	Ernesto Hess
A Tangled Plot	Katie Hannon				20-30
Following Countess Crey	Manticore	30	60	90	45-60 (90-120 for kill all)
Soul of the Woodsman	Numina	30	60	90	40-50
Time's Arrow	Imperious	30	60	90	15 (speed run) 45-60 (kill all)
Explorers and Exploiters	Dr. Quaterfield	30	60	90
The Legend of Ruladak	Sara Moore	30	60	90
The Saga of Faathim	Justin Augustine	30	60	90
The Saga of Lanaru	Faathim the Kind	30	60	90
Ms. Liberty Task Force	Ms. Liberty	30	60	90
The Lady Grey Task Force	The Lady Grey	30	60	90
Return of the Reichsman	Dr. Kahn	30	60	90	15 (speed run) 45-60 (kill all)
Alpha Strike	Apex	30	60	90	15
The Praetorian Offensive	Tin Mage Mark II	30	60	90	15

Edited June 9 by BlackSpectre

[Troo]

2 hours ago, BlackSpectre said:

definitely NOT a PUG

 

2 hours ago, BlackSpectre said:

times

 

[BlackSpectre]

Over on another thread reward merits were raised as a method of determining the completion time for task forces. As I've said before the resulting times really don't reflect how long it takes to complete the task forces. I did this analysis 3 years ago, but I decided to re-create it so that everyone could see the data who cared to do so. The amount of reward merits for each task force was taken from the Wiki. 

 

TASK FORCE REWARD MERITS TO COMPLETION TIMES

** Calculated based on the formula in the post below which is also found at the Wiki.

 

NAME	CONTACT	REWARD MERITS	MEDIAN COMPLETION TIME	@uun Player Times
The Rule of Three	Positron	11	41 min	20-30
Dam Heroes	Positron	15	55 min	20-30
The Fall of the Clockwork King	Synapse	58	197 min	60-90
A Clamor for the People	Penelope Yin	20	73 min	20-30
The Sky is Falling	Admiral Sutter	22	80 min	40-50
The Kheldian War	Moonfire	32	113 min	30-45
Citadel's Children	Citadel	40	140 min	45-60
The MegaMech Cometh	Ernesto Hess	19	70 min
A Tangled Plot	Katie Hannon	26	93 min	20-30
Following Countess Crey	Manticore	32	113 min	45-60 (90-120 for kill all)
Soul of the Woodsman	Numina	36	127 min	40-50
Time's Arrow	Imperious	26 †	93 min	15 (speed run) 45-60 (kill all)
Explorers and Exploiters	Dr. Quaterfield	122	381 min
The Legend of Ruladak	Sara Moore	63	211 min
The Saga of Faathim	Justin Augustine	42	147 min
The Saga of Lanaru	Faathim the Kind	73	243 min
Ms. Liberty Task Force	Ms. Liberty	38 †	133 min
The Lady Grey Task Force	The Lady Grey	37 †	130 min
Return of the Reichsman	Dr. Kahn	20 †	73 min	15 (speed run) 45-60 (kill all)
Alpha Strike	Apex	40	140 min	15
The Praetorian Offensive	Tin Mage Mark II	40	140 min	15

 

 

*** These times are estimates because they lack the last variable in the formula, "ArtificialModifiers", which players don't have access to. 

 

**** Keep in mind that these median completion times were data-mined back at the end of 2009. How long it takes to complete a task force might have changed between then and now.

 

I'll re-create the same data for trials next.

Edited July 14 by BlackSpectre
Updated the median completion times to match the official formula.

[BlackSpectre]

INCARNATE TRIAL MERIT REWARDS AND PLAYER COMPLETION TIMES

** The amount of merit rewards for incarnate trials are not calculated based on the medium completion time. Instead, reward merits are linked to the drop tables. Essentially, for every astral merit dropped, 2 reward merits are awarded. For every empyrean merit dropped, 10 reward merits are awarded. So completion times for incarnate trials cannot be calculated based on merit rewards.

 

NAME	REWARD MERITS		@Oklahoman Completion Times
Behavioral Adjustment Facility Trial	18		20 min
Lambda Sector Trial	20		12 min (speed run) 20 min (badge run)
Keyes Island Reactor Trial	18		35 min
The Underground Trial	40		45 min
TPN Campus Trial	30		20-25 min
Minds of Mayhem Trial	30		35 min
Dilemma Diabolique Trial	30		20-25 min
The Magisterium Trial	22		20 min

Incarnate trials didn't award Reward Merits until Homecoming's Issue 27 Page 4.

Edited July 14 by BlackSpectre
Updated to reflect how reward merits are awarded for incarnate trials

[BlackSpectre]

I previously used the 30 reward merits per hour rate that I originally gleaned from playing the game, but I didn't do any research on reward merits. It dawned on me that some of the variance might be due to awarding different amounts of reward merits based on the class of the task, and I was right. That is the case. All it took was a search through the wiki, and then perusing through about 50 pages of a thread on the original COH forums. Information from the Wiki on how the live devs calculated reward merits is below:

 

Here's the hourly rate by class:

Task Forces give an average of 1 merit every 3 minutes of average time (20 merits an hour)

    **This is incorrect. The ratio is about 1 merit for every 3.7 minutes of average time (16 merits an hour) as mentioned by Synapse in a correction. Actually, the ratio is more like 1 merit for every 3.75 minutes of average time (16 merits an hour) as born out by the official formula after the TimeModifier is factored in. 

Trials give an average of 1 merit every 2.5 minutes (24 merits an hour)

    **This is also inaccurate. The ratio is 1 merit for every 3 minutes of average time (20 merits an hour) as born out by the official formula

Story Arcs give an average of 1 merit every 7.5 minutes (8 merits an hour).

    **This is also inaccurate. The ratio is about 1 merit for every 6 minutes of average time (10 merits an hour) as born out by the official formula

 

The reason for this major difference is due to the considerable time and effort Task/Strike Forces can take to set up and complete, so naturally these tasks grant a much greater reward.

 

Here's the formula the live devs used to determine merit rewards:

(MedianTime / MPM) * TaskModifier * TimesRunModifier * Rounded TimeModifier + ArtificialModifiers

Decimals in the result are dropped off (ie: the result is rounded down).

 

MedianTime: The datamined median time to complete the task
MPM: The desired Minutes per Merit, currently 3.7
TaskModifier: 1.5 if the task is a raid, 1.2 if the task is a trial, 1.0 if the task is a Task Force or Strike Force, and 0.6 if the task is a Story Arc
TimesRunModifier: 1.0 if the task has been run enough times for the developers to be comfortable with the datamining, 0.6 otherwise
TimeModifier: A percentage merit bonus equal to the median time divided by 20 (ex: the Synapse TF has a MedianTime of 194 minutes. 194 / 20 = 9.7, rounded up to 10% bonus)
ArtificialModifier: Manually added bonuses or penalties to a given task; from Synapse:

 

From Synapse:

What I've used this field here in the past was to round out some villain strike forces that weren't granting enough merits for a random roll.

For example: When merits were first introduced in Issue 13 beta the Temple of the Waters SF would have normally only granted 23 merits. However, I wanted players who completed this task to be able to purchase a random taskforce roll (which was then 25 merits, now it's 20) so I added a +2 bonus in this field. I've seen a number of players wonder why certain tasks (namely villain SFs) not have their merit numbers increase. This is because after the new data rolled in, I removed the bonus from this field if the task offered enough merits for the random roll.

Example
The Statesman Task Force has a datamined median completion time of 133 minutes.

(133 / 3.7) * 1.0 * 1.0 * 1.07 + 0 = 38 merits

 

 

Edited July 14 by BlackSpectre
listed inaccuracies in the Wiki data

[BlackSpectre]

On 6/2/2024 at 1:53 PM, Oklahoman said:

The question we league leaders get a lot is "how long does that take?" So, here's a thread dedicated to answering that...

@Oklahoman do you happen to have completion times for these trials?

 

Keyes Island Reactor Trial
The Underground Trial
Minds of Mayhem Trial

 

 

 

[Oklahoman]

8 hours ago, BlackSpectre said:

@Oklahoman do you happen to have completion times for these trials?

 

Keyes Island Reactor Trial
The Underground Trial
Minds of Mayhem Trial

 

I don't run any of those on account of hating them with the white hot passion of a thousand suns.

[Uun]

@Galaxy Brain should be able to provide Underground. I would estimate 30-40 minutes each for Keyes and MoM.

[BlackSpectre]

Here are the trials and their estimated median completion times calculated from the reward merits formula. 

 

If you happen to know the average times to complete these trials, please let us know and post them!

 

Hero Trials
Trial Name	Reward Merits	Median Completion Time	Player Completion Time
Death From Below	0 Reward Merits	11 min	11 min
Cavern of Transcendence	8 Reward Merits	5 min	5 min
Drowning in Blood	2 Reward Merits	8 min
Terra Volta	27 Reward Merits	82 min
Terra Volta	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Abandoned Sewers Trial	28 Reward Merits	84 min
Eden Trial	6 Reward Merits	20 min
Terra Volta	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Market Crash	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Cathedral of Pain	11 Reward Merits	35 min
Villain Trials
Death From Below	0 Reward Merits	11 min	11 min
Drowning in Blood	2 Reward Merits	8 min
Tree of Thorns	14 Reward Merits	44 min
Tree of Thorns	14 Reward Merits	44 min
Tree of Thorns	15 Reward Merits	47 min
Market Crash	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Cathedral of Pain	11 Reward Merits	35 min

 

 

I should mention what a median is vs a mean or average. Given a list of a bunch of times, the median is the time that happens to be right in the middle. So let's say you have these times: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, 8, 55. The median would be 2. Whereas the average or mean is 8.44 (76 divided by 9). The median is often a better measure of the central tendency of the group as It is not skewed by exceptionally high or low values, which is what the devs use to calculate reward merits. 

Edited July 14 by BlackSpectre

[BlackSpectre]

Oops! Did not mean to leave out the villainous strike forces...

 

STRIKE FORCE MERITS TO MEDIAN COMPLETION TIME ESTIMATION

** Calculated using the official reward merit formula

 

Strike Force Name	Merits	Median Completion Time	Player Times
The Beast Beneath the Mountain	13	49 min
Pirates of the Sky	42	147 min
The Fire and the Flames	22	80 min
The Temple of the Waters	24	87 min
The Crystal of Serafina	26	93 min
Time's Arrow	26 †	93 min
Chasing Fool's Gold	40	140 min
Lord Recluse's Strike Force	25 †	90 min
The Lady Grey Strike Force	37 †	130 min
Thus Spoke the Reichsman	20 †	73 min
Trading Places	10	38 min
Alpha Strike	40	140 min
The Praetorian Offensive	40	140 min

 

 

[Laucianna]

On 7/13/2024 at 9:04 AM, BlackSpectre said:

Here are the trials and their estimated median completion times calculated from the reward merits formula. 

 

If you happen to know the average times to complete these trials, please let us know and post them!

 

Hero Trials
Trial Name	Reward Merits	Median Completion Time	Player Completion Time
Death From Below	0 Reward Merits	11 min	11 min
Cavern of Transcendence	8 Reward Merits	5 min	5 min
Drowning in Blood	2 Reward Merits	8 min
Terra Volta	27 Reward Merits	82 min
Terra Volta	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Abandoned Sewers Trial	28 Reward Merits	84 min
Eden Trial	6 Reward Merits	20 min
Terra Volta	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Market Crash	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Cathedral of Pain	11 Reward Merits	35 min
Villain Trials
Death From Below	0 Reward Merits	11 min	11 min
Drowning in Blood	2 Reward Merits	8 min
Tree of Thorns	14 Reward Merits	44 min
Tree of Thorns	14 Reward Merits	44 min
Tree of Thorns	15 Reward Merits	47 min
Market Crash	20 Reward Merits	61 min
Cathedral of Pain	11 Reward Merits	35 min

 

 

I should mention what a median is vs a mean or average. Given a list of a bunch of times, the median is the time that happens to be right in the middle. So let's say you have these times: 1, 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 5, 8, 55. The median would be 2. Whereas the average or mean is 8.44 (76 divided by 9). The median is often a better measure of the central tendency of the group as It is not skewed by exceptionally high or low values, which is what the devs use to calculate reward merits. 

For Cathedral of Pain it should not take you 35 minutes 😄 Around 5-10 minutes max for that one ❤️ I know @Mayaedits runs a lot of trials so she is a great source of info for some times too!

[Troo]

1 hour ago, Laucianna said:

For Cathedral of Pain it should not take you 35 minutes 😄 Around 5-10 minutes max for that one ❤️ I know @Mayaedits runs a lot of trials so she is a great source of info for some times too!

 

these are not how fast it can be done..

 

On 7/13/2024 at 1:04 AM, BlackSpectre said:

If you happen to know the average times to complete these trials, please let us know and post them!

 

I would say 15 minutes would be the fastest average I would ever tell anyone to avoid dropped participants. Maybe even 20 - 30 minutes unless I was absolutely sure we'd knock it out quicker.

 

DFB and DiB are definitely not averaging 11 & 8 minutes.

[Laucianna]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

 

these are not how fast it can be done..

 

 

I would say 15 minutes would be the fastest average I would ever tell anyone to avoid dropped participants. Maybe even 20 - 30 minutes unless I was absolutely sure we'd knock it out quicker.

 

DFB and DiB are definitely not averaging 11 & 8 minutes.

I mean with Cop the average highly depends on both how well the league listen and how the leader instructs, but if both are okay 10 mins is still the average max time for a CoP imo

[Ukase]

Regarding the Underground Trial, so much depends on if you're in pursuit of badges - and the method used in pursuit of Preservation Specialist. 

If you "speed" the UGT - which can be problematic, as we're "supposed" to escort Desdemona, and you know a safe place to stash her, and incan/tp the escort away from Des, a strong team that doesn't need a lot of instruction can zip through this trial in 25-30 minutes. 

There are 4 badges required for Master, and it can be done in one run, easily. Even if you zerg all the bombs as a league, this can slow things down. 
If the league is inexperienced, or the league leader isn't effectively communicating, (or league isn't reading chat ) this trial can fail, or more likely, take about 45-50 minutes. 

I would think 40 minutes is a fair answer if asked how long it takes, tho. Just add another 15 minutes if you expect to snipe the bombs in the long hallway. 

If you're ultra conservative and try to snipe ALL the bombs, add 45 minutes, for a total time of about 80-90 minutes. I don't think anyone does it like this anymore; but maybe 4-5 years ago, when HC first opened up, some of us were still rusty and super conservative. 

With any UGT, unless the leader is fairly well known like Okie, Cygnus or LB3K, (there are others, of course - these are just the ones that come to mind) recruiting can be problematic. I have had occasions where I'm ready to cancel it because recruitment was taking over 20 minutes. For Master runs, recruitment can take even longer. Most folks just don't care about that bomb badge. There are faster/easier ways to get that random rare drop the master badge provides. 

[50caltech]

fyi living brain 3000  how to ....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPVZxcDgPNo

 

[Mayaedits]

On 7/16/2024 at 8:51 AM, Laucianna said:

For Cathedral of Pain it should not take you 35 minutes 😄 Around 5-10 minutes max for that one ❤️ I know @Mayaedits runs a lot of trials so she is a great source of info for some times too!

If CoP is taking you 35 mins, that is NOT average. I’ve seen random pug teams with inexperienced leaders still make it out in under 20 mins.

 

Something has to have seriously gone wrong if it takes that long which is not average.

Edited July 18 by Mayaedits
Typo

[Mayaedits]

On 7/11/2024 at 12:06 AM, BlackSpectre said:

INCARNATE TRIAL MERIT REWARDS AND PLAYER COMPLETION TIMES

** The amount of merit rewards for incarnate trials are not calculated based on the medium completion time. Instead, reward merits are linked to the drop tables. Essentially, for every astral merit dropped, 2 reward merits are awarded. For every empyrean merit dropped, 10 reward merits are awarded. So completion times for incarnate trials cannot be calculated based on merit rewards.

 

NAME	REWARD MERITS		@Oklahoman Completion Times
Behavioral Adjustment Facility Trial	18		20 min
Lambda Sector Trial	20		12 min (speed run) 20 min (badge run)
Keyes Island Reactor Trial	18		35 min
The Underground Trial	40		45 min
TPN Campus Trial	30		20-25 min
Minds of Mayhem Trial	30		35 min
Dilemma Diabolique Trial	30		20-25 min
The Magisterium Trial	22		20 min

Incarnate trials didn't award Reward Merits until Homecoming's Issue 27 Page 4.

Most of these look ok. Baf might have some variance depending on if it is a badge run (Maybe an extra couple of mins at most.)

MoM and keyes are probs a bit on the high side. MoM I would say closer to 25 and keyes closer to 20

[BlackSpectre]

Keep in mind that the median completion times derived from backwards processing the reward merit formula are from 2012 at best. Since the player base has become seasoned veterans and also have learned quite a bit about the game, todays times will probably be faster than any of the median times from 2012. 
 

I’m really enjoying this discussion. Lots of interesting details here. 
 

I think we need to focus on how long a “normal” run for trials and task forces take, rather than branching out to all of the various ways to do these tasks. There are quite a few variables that all impact how long a task will take, but the goal here is not to account for all variables, but rather to get a general idea of how long they might take for the average person… a starting point. After people have this info they can factor in all of the things that would impact the time themselves. 
 

However, in my view, the most significant omission to thinking about how long a task will take is recruitment time. For example, BAF might take 15 min to complete, but it can take up to 30 min to fill the league. so if I wanted to get an idea of how long the task would take in order to fit it in my schedule, I’d need to consider recruitment times too and that data doesn’t exist anywhere. 
 

For example, if I had a doctors appointment 1 hour from now, id need to not only consider that BAF takes 15-20 min to complete , but also that recruitment could take from 10-30 min. So I’d need to allocate a minimum of 25 min up to 50 min to do a BAF. Not enough time to do a BAF AND make my appointment. I see this happen all the time when a player joins a league thinking they can knock a trial out in 20 min, only to drop 15 min into recruiting because they realize they don’t have enough time. IT’s a conundrum. 

 

 

[Uun]

2 hours ago, BlackSpectre said:

However, in my view, the most significant omission to thinking about how long a task will take is recruitment time.

Clearly Incarnate Trials take longer to recruit than TFs/SFs due to the larger number of participants. Aside from that, the biggest variants are the population of the shard you're playing on and the popularity of the TF/SF. Recruiting on lower population shards takes longer than higher population ones. Filling an ITF or Penny Yin takes less time than a Synapse or Faathim.