Make incarnate materials account transferable

[DrRocket]

This is a Quality of Life suggestion...

 

I will confess at being an ALT-O-HOLIC, perhaps modestly at 55 alts, so as I make new alts and get them to 50 and unlock their incarnate powers, having those incarnate salvage available would come mighty handy.

 

I wonder, if the devs have plans for what to do in the future with all those incarnate salvage in our alts' storage, that we have no use for at this time?

 

But it would strike me as harmless, if we could transfer within our account incarnate salvage, since we can't convert them into emps or sell them in the market.

 

Any thoughts, am I missing something in particular?

 

As always, please help me by making this a learning opportunity

 

Thank you

 

[Glacier Peak]

I don't see what the problem or issue that this suggestion is trying to address.

[lemming]

2 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

I don't see what the problem or issue that this suggestion is trying to address.

Once you're done building a character, transferring their incarnate salvage would jump start future alts.  Much like transferring Emp Merits.

 

Now, would this break anything? Probably not.  Would it mean people would hit 50 and be able to craft T4 immediately, probably.

 

I'd rather have more consolidated currencies for merits: Instead of just a 50 token,  1 (exists), 5, 10, 25, 50 (exists), maybe 100.    Would make transfers easier.

 

[Glacier Peak]

Just now, lemming said:

more consolidated currencies

This makes more sense to me if that's what the OP is suggesting. Especially the Incarnate components. It was an interesting idea at the time to tie the Incarnate xp and components to specific Incarnate trials - but since the game now grants this stuff across all content drops, it seems moot. 

[FDR's Think Tank]

I hope we get some Interdimensional Post Office where we can make our transfers of goods to other characters/servers under our account. Brought to us by the Portal Corporation!

[Rudra]

27 minutes ago, FDR's Think Tank said:

I hope we get some Interdimensional Post Office where we can make our transfers of goods to other characters/servers under our account. Brought to us by the Portal Corporation!

For things that can be transferred, the in-game e-mail does this.

[Rudra]

59 minutes ago, DrRocket said:

This is a Quality of Life suggestion...

 

I will confess at being an ALT-O-HOLIC, perhaps modestly at 55 alts, so as I make new alts and get them to 50 and unlock their incarnate powers, having those incarnate salvage available would come mighty handy.

 

I wonder, if the devs have plans for what to do in the future with all those incarnate salvage in our alts' storage, that we have no use for at this time?

 

But it would strike me as harmless, if we could transfer within our account incarnate salvage, since we can't convert them into emps or sell them in the market.

 

Any thoughts, am I missing something in particular?

 

As always, please help me by making this a learning opportunity

 

Thank you

 

I oppose this request on the grounds that becoming an incarnate is a personal journey. You don't see characters ascending to godhood in literature and then turning around and sharing the resources they used to become gods with other random individuals. (Edit: Yes, the means by which they ascended is shared/known, but not anything else. And the means by which our characters can ascend is already shared/known.)

Edited September 15 by Rudra

[Puma]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

I oppose this request on the grounds that becoming an incarnate is a personal journey. You don't see characters ascending to godhood in literature and then turning around and sharing the resources they used to become gods with other random individuals. (Edit: Yes, the means by which they ascended is shared/known, but not anything else. And the means by which our characters can ascend is already shared/known.)

Isn't a key part of this game's lore that Incarnates do, in fact, share their power with other individuals?  

This would make total sense. As you are becoming an incarnate, a well of your own power so to speak, you are able to help others achieve it by sharing your power with them.  

[Rudra]

7 minutes ago, Puma said:

Isn't a key part of this game's lore that Incarnates do, in fact, share their power with other individuals?  

This would make total sense. As you are becoming an incarnate, a well of your own power so to speak, you are able to help others achieve it by sharing your power with them.  

It's a key part of the game's lore that a single incarnate shared his power with others, not that he made those others incarnates themselves. As soon as Tyrant was defeated and lost the Well's favor, so did everyone he was sharing that power with. Not the same thing as what the OP is asking for. It is the difference of a god granting power to followers versus a god empowering others to likewise becoming gods in their own right. In the first case, you have Tyrant empowering non-incarnate beings to extend his own power. In the latter case, you have what the OP is asking for.

 

Edit: And you never become a Well of your own. Mot gets the closest to becoming a Well of his own. And he started as a god and proceeded to devour the world. And even then, he still didn't become a Well.

 

Edited September 15 by Rudra

[Glacier Peak]

8 minutes ago, Puma said:

Isn't a key part of this game's lore that Incarnates do, in fact, share their power with other individuals

The Well shares with those it deems worthy. No Incarnates in game willingly share their power, however. Statesman's was stolen from him, Hero 1 was brainwashed, and Lady Grey, Lord Recluse, Trapdoor, Hamidon, and Tyrant (anymore) aren't sharing either. 

Edited September 15 by Glacier Peak

[tidge]

Simply my hot-take: Wanting to have a lot of alts isn't a good reason to make it easier to T3/T4 than it already is.

 

I can see that there is little functional difference between a level 50 with a full-kit of character-juicing enhancements and an IO-only build with all the incarnates. As a practical matter, we're  only talking level 45+ content... and most of what the game has to offer at 45+ isn't "Incarnate".  I can almost imagine having a level 50 that somehow I've unlocked all the Incarnate tiers but somehow don't have any/enough Incarnate salvage to equip, but in my imagination this feels a LOT like a character that has been farmed up and hasn't been all that engaged with the game.

 

I'm not anti-farming by any means, but this seems like a big request for JUST MOAR.

[Psyonico]

2 hours ago, tidge said:

  I can almost imagine having a level 50 that somehow I've unlocked all the Incarnate tiers but somehow don't have any/enough Incarnate salvage to equip, but in my imagination this feels a LOT like a character that ha

I'm against the idea, but want to point out that unless all you're doing at 50 is running incarnate content, you'll very likely unlock all slots before you have enough salvage to fully T3 everything.

[tidge]

5 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

I'm against the idea, but want to point out that unless all you're doing at 50 is running incarnate content, you'll very likely unlock all slots before you have enough salvage to fully T3 everything.

 

I feel like I get Threads (and Shards, on some content) on sub-50 content. Certainly from leveling up.  I sort-of get the point about fully slotting everything vy the time Hybrid is unlocked, but if that is the case, why bother wanting to have all the Incarnate powers slotted?

[Rudra]

27 minutes ago, tidge said:

I feel like I get Threads (and Shards, on some content) on sub-50 content.

Because you do. Not only does the player character start earning iXP even if exemplared down, but both incarnate shards and threads also can drop while exemplared down. Regardless of how much you exemplar down. I get them routinely even while doing low level missions/arcs through Ouroboros.

 

(Edit: @Psyonico is correct though. Relying on random shard and thread drops from mobs from doing non-incarnate content is probably the slowest way to get incarnate abilities crafted.)

 

Edited September 16 by Rudra

[Psyonico]

You do get empyrean merits every 3 vet levels up to 99 and threads up to vet 11(on levels not divisible by 3).

 

That gets you enough to be T3'd by vet level 12, however, you unlock slots faster than that.

[Jacke]

Empyrean Merits (and 50 of them in a Transcendent Merit) can already be emailed to the Global Email address, allow transfer of that particular Incarnate Salvage between Toons on the same Account.

 

 

Edited September 16 by Jacke

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Jacke said:

Empyrean Merits (and 50 of them in a Transcendent Merit) can already be emailed to the Global Email address, allow transfer of that particular Incarnate Salvage between Toons on the same Account.

 

 

They already are. You get a Transcendant Merit and e-mail it yourself. Then you have the other character claim it and convert it back. Transferred between characters on the same account accomplished.

[UltraAlt]

14 hours ago, DrRocket said:

Any thoughts, am I missing something in particular?

 

The end-game is intentionally all about grinding.

Why would any DEV want to take that away from end-gamer that only want to grind in the end-game instead of play the actual game (the leveling part)?

 

I'm totally against this.

Plus why would someone that wants to be Deity (incarnate) give away any of their god-like powers?

 

At any rate, trading amongst your alts is the slippery slope of incarnate stuff going into the market for any one to purchase.

Not that I'm necessarily against another way of taking influence from end-gamers.

 

 

 

[tidge]

9 hours ago, Psyonico said:

You do get empyrean merits every 3 vet levels up to 99 and threads up to vet 11(on levels not divisible by 3).

 

That gets you enough to be T3'd by vet level 12, however, you unlock slots faster than that.

 

The times I've cared about T3s ASAP, and have had the Incarnate slots unlocked ASAP, I feel like I've been able to T3 the three Incarnate powers to give Incarnate shifts (+3) before vet level 12 without sweating.

 

@UltraAlt hits close to the mark about my own lingering feelings about the Incarnate system from Live: It was always about the grind. As far as I'm concerned, its pretty much the ability to keep Incarnate powers (including the Alpha shift) down to level 45 (exemplar) for non-Incarnate content (and I suppose AE) as the only thing that gives players a reason to consider their characters "incomplete" without Incarnate powers.

 

I'll put my cards on the table: My personal attitude is that generally my characters' power progression isn't considered (by me) to be "complete" until I've done the level 50 respec and attained the 4 stat-boosted accolades. After those, I guess the +1 Alpha shift is important (to me, to be able to hang in certain content)... beyond that I know there is MOAR, but its such a low priority and none of what I don't have gatekeeps my enjoyment of the game.

[lemming]

15 hours ago, tidge said:

Simply my hot-take: Wanting to have a lot of alts isn't a good reason to make it easier to T3/T4 than it already is.

 

I can see that there is little functional difference between a level 50 with a full-kit of character-juicing enhancements and an IO-only build with all the incarnates. As a practical matter, we're  only talking level 45+ content... and most of what the game has to offer at 45+ isn't "Incarnate".  I can almost imagine having a level 50 that somehow I've unlocked all the Incarnate tiers but somehow don't have any/enough Incarnate salvage to equip, but in my imagination this feels a LOT like a character that has been farmed up and hasn't been all that engaged with the game.

 

I'm not anti-farming by any means, but this seems like a big request for JUST MOAR.

Yea.  It's not needed.   And Emp Merits transfer just fine.    I did do a T4 for the heck of it before a char hit 50 once since you can craft stuff before hand and it's certainly feasible.  (And a bit of a waste...)

 

The way vet levels work, it's not hard to get T4 now in a pretty short period of time.

 

I don't think the suggestion breaks anything, but it's also not needed.

[Jacke]

9 hours ago, Rudra said:

They already are. You get a Transcendant Merit and e-mail it yourself. Then you have the other character claim it and convert it back. Transferred between characters on the same account accomplished.

 

Which is what I said.