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[Lunar Ronin]

6 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

You can pin messages in Discord so that they will always be visible, and easily found, by everyone in the channel forever. Also, you can search Discord channels. Basically you can do everything in Discord that you can do in forums plus also have voice and video, the interface is just different.

 

This is directed to you Nemu, but to everyone in this thread as a whole. Speaking of misinformation, most of the statements in this thread about Discord are misinformation posted by people who clearly don't use Discord. For people who claim to hate misinformation so much you all sure do love to spread it.

 

I love the smell of hypocrisy in the morning.

 

The stuff posted on the forums is indexed by search engines, and is easily accessible without requiring an additional account other than the Homecoming account.  That's a point in favor of forums.  Discord, you're at the whims of Discord.  Like many social media companies, Discord has begun using AI moderation.  There's been many complaints on Reddit the past few months of Discord randomly banning people.  And if you're erroneously banned by Discord?  Good luck getting your account back.  Also, yes, you can search Discord, but it's complete butt compared to a forum's search, and especially an actual search engine which indexed a forum.

 

I've been told by young Millennial friends that the Homecoming Discord is better than the forums as well, with more knowledgeable and more friendly players.  So I started regularly observing it over the past eight months.  It's not any better than the forums.  I've seen plenty of stuff said on the Homecoming Discord server that is just plain wrong.  Quite a few people that hang out there also tend to be a bit on the toxic side.  I've seen people pilloried, piled on, and bullied out of discussions.  Much like the forums.

 

The only differences between the Homecoming forums and the Homecoming Discord are that the players that hang out on the forums tend to be older, while the people that hang out on the Homecoming Discord tend to be younger.  And the Discord server is harder to search.

[Teklord]

In no way is the discord better than the forums for information dissemination. Searching is worse, it is harder to see activity streams and it is so much more noisier with much less signal.

 

I remember when everyone went to IRC from Usenet and it was a similar loss of information. But I am older and appreciate being able to digest information from something other than a firehose.

[Neiska]

Three thoughts-

 

1. The forums and discord need not be either/or. Many use both.

 

2. For all the claims of ages of users, I am interested in the source of this claim. Pray tell, let’s see some sources and citations on that. 
 

3. My third and final thought is how in the heck is this thread still going?

[PeregrineFalcon]

14 minutes ago, Lunar Ronin said:

Discord, you're at the whims of Discord.

And on the forums you're at the whims of the moderators. What's the difference?

 

5 minutes ago, Teklord said:

In no way is the discord better than the forums for information dissemination.

Better, no. Just different, yes.

[ZemX]

14 hours ago, Seed22 said:

Plus usually having a lot more experienced and knowledgeable players on the discord help quell lots, but definitely not all misinfo in real time. 

 

I don't think this "Discord is where all the people who are better than you hang out" is quite the selling point for a community you seem to think it is. 

[ZemX]

7 minutes ago, Neiska said:

For all the claims of ages of users, I am interested in the source of this claim. Pray tell, let’s see some sources and citations on that. 

 

I don't think anyone is claiming absolute facts here.  I doubt all that information is publicly available.  But they are not unreasonable assumptions.  Discord is just newer and hence likely to be more popular with younger gamers than a lot of us old farts.  That doesn't mean nobody old uses Discord.  Of course they do, but I'd be not surprised at all if it skews younger than people who hang out primarily on forums.

 

That said, I'm sure the Homecoming Discord itself skews older than the average Discord community.

[lemming]

16 minutes ago, Neiska said:

Three thoughts-

 

1. The forums and discord need not be either/or. Many use both.

 

2. For all the claims of ages of users, I am interested in the source of this claim. Pray tell, let’s see some sources and citations on that. 
 

3. My third and final thought is how in the heck is this thread still going?

1. I'm on both.  I do find the forums easier to search, but I see the same names in both areas.
2. No idea myself.   You're all a bunch of young punks.  *shakes cane*   (I'm on the old side, but there are plenty older)
3. Sheer stubborness?   Hasn't been shot in the head yet?  Black Knight cosplay?

[Snarky]

1 hour ago, JackMars said:

I just think everyone should remember -

 

If you're struggling in a mission and feeling bad and all alone  -

 

And you look behind you -

 

And don't see any footprints in the sand -

 

Those are the times Gravitus had Group Fly on.

[Snarky]

43 minutes ago, Neiska said:

3. My third and final thought is how in the heck is this thread still going?

[Gravitus]

51 minutes ago, Snarky said:

I was wondering the same. I "signed off" in hoping this thread would die but people would rather talk shit than play the game I guess     ::shrug::

[PeregrineFalcon]

17 minutes ago, Gravitus said:

I was wondering the same. I "signed off" in hoping this thread would die but people would rather talk shit than play the game I guess     ::shrug::

I can "talk shit" on the forums while I'm at work, but I can't play the game while at work.

 

I have a feeling that I'm not the only one for whom that's true.

[Gravitus]

10 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

I can "talk shit" on the forums while I'm at work, but I can't play the game while at work.

 

I have a feeling that I'm not the only one for whom that's true.

fair

[Gravitus]

4 minutes ago, Krimson said:

Apparently taking a trip to Null is so much of a hardship that there are now at least two threads talking about changing the Flight Pool. This goes way beyond shitting on a player for picking the power. Fortunately those threads will be ignored like most suggestions. 

3 actually 

[Snarky]

27 minutes ago, Krimson said:

Count the number of players posting in this thread. They are a vocal minority who you will never see in game. Every day on Homecoming there are over 2000 concurrent players. About 1% of that is in this thread. 

Snarky is logged on in Mercy/Excelsior farming damage taken badges.  Visit him.  See the 1%!  Drop a hami or a purple on him.  Show the love!

[ZemX]

2 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

I have a feeling that I'm not the only one for whom that's true.

 

*checks cubicle for listening devices*

[Snarky]

10 minutes ago, ZemX said:

 

*checks cubicle for listening devices*

we have folks watching you...

[Neiska]

51 minutes ago, Krimson said:

Apparently taking a trip to Null is so much of a hardship that there are now at least two threads talking about changing the Flight Pool. This goes way beyond shitting on a player for picking the power. Fortunately those threads will be ignored like most suggestions. 

 

Ya but no. No one is dumping on a player for picking a power. They are dumping on the player for using a power that negatively affects others and then crying when they get booted from the team after being asked to stop but didn't. And in many people's opinion, rightly so. And now it's being turned into "help they are poking fun of me for my poor decisions!" and "no, I can use this power whenever I wish, others have no right to complain they are negatively affected by it!"

 

Spoiler alert - if YOU pick a power and USE it and it NEGATIVELY affects other people and continue to do so after being asked to stop, then YOU are the problem here. The fixes is fairly simple - either play alone, make your own team, or god FORBID - actually ASK in team chat "hey anyone mind if I use group fly" before using it. Because, you know, apparently trying to play and team well with others is such a hardship.

 

But NOoo... instead it's - "How DARE they not abide by my personal choices that affect them negatively! Quick! TO THE FORUMS! THE INTERWEB SHALL MOST CERTAINLY HEAR OF THIS!"

[Snarky]

2 minutes ago, Krimson said:

What warnings do players get before they pick a power that is considered Badwrongfun? Does the power explain how players will react? There's no such thing as psychic powers but players are somehow expected to know before they choose, right? 

We have Psychic powers in game.  I have a Mental/Psi Blaster I just 50d.

 

But seriously.  A new player cannot know these things.  But if asked to stop using it in a Task Force that is a good indication something is up...

 

I will go a step further.  I was not there.  The team lead could have been the dick.  The booting could have been pretty much wrongly executed.  Still.... after 16 pages of "maybe you should rethink this" the OP wants to make the issue anyone but theirs.  Says something, dont ya think?

[Snarky]

Just now, Krimson said:

The entire issue can be avoided by the team leader vetting the players BEFORE launching the mission. 

I have led many a TF.  Some a VERY hard to get 8 together for.  You take 8 and hope 3-4 of them help you carry the ball across the finish line.  I do not "vet" anyone.

[Seed22]

5 hours ago, ZemX said:

 

I don't think this "Discord is where all the people who are better than you hang out" is quite the selling point for a community you seem to think it is. 

Im not trying to sell you on anything. And if thats your takeaway that sucks that you feel that way.

 

The discord from my experience has a lot more people with more up to date knowledge on things like build crafting in my experience. Some of the best build crafting practices that I use to this day came from joining that discord back in late 2019-2020. 
 

This, and being able to communicate with the devs in real time, alleviates a lot of misinformation that could linger on the forums for awhile.

 

It is what it is.

Edited September 26 by Seed22

[Excraft]

8 minutes ago, Krimson said:

If players don't want players choosing Badwrongfun powers then find a way to inform players BEFORE they choose them. 

 

I agree with the sentiment that players should be informed sooner rather than later.   I made a suggestion in one of the other GF threads that maybe add Null's options to Miss Liberty and such so players can make those changes right from the start.  The main problem is newer players aren't going to know what things like speed boost and GF are like until they experience how it affects them.  They may think it sounds cool and not choose to disable them, but then realize how those powers affect them really sucks.

[Snarky]

8 minutes ago, Krimson said:

Neither do I. If Captain Knockback joins my team (and he did) then I accept that my herding experience will not be optimal. Big deal. It's a game. People are more important than well herded mobs.

we agree.  and you obviously, like me, do not kick peeps from TF.  i feel kind of bad for people who "play weird' or "can't find the team" but i try to help them a little, and mostly keep the ball marching towards the end zone.  definitey not kicking though.

 

but if it is so important to a leader that they kick, i see your point, they should tell everyone up front and ask.

[Laucianna]

15 minutes ago, Krimson said:

The entire issue can be avoided by the team leader vetting the players BEFORE launching the mission. 

With all due respect, are you expecting a team lead to take 5 minutes at the start of every team they form to check through everyones powers and then if they find a power like Group Fly, either tell the rest of the team after already waiting 5 minutes:

"Hey everyone, CHARACTER NAME has group fly so if you don't want that affecting you, you will need to leave this zone and go to Pocket D, you can get to pocket D by the van in Atlas if you check your map, once there head over to the seagull on the red side van and ask him to turn it off, then come back here we can start!"

Or the weirdly worse option:

"Hey CHARACTER NAME, I notice you have Group Fly, I am going to ask now for you not to use it for these task forces if that is okay? Oh you won't because you would prefer to have it on? In that case I will sadly have to remove you from the team as it will negatively affect them."

Neither of those are good options in my book, so in reality we should be trying to figure out a way to prevent this issue all together as a few people have mentioned solutions in the midst of all this chaos. Personally I would remove the group version of travel powers and have the single versions affect your pets too so it saves those who want to RP their characters as teleporters to teleport an army with all these cool new animations (Just imagine an undead army arriving as a swarm of ravens 😄 ), or those who want to have their robots all flying beside them to take flight

[Andreah]

1 hour ago, Krimson said:

Apparently taking a trip to Null is so much of a hardship that there are now at least two threads talking about changing the Flight Pool. This goes way beyond shitting on a player for picking the power. Fortunately those threads will be ignored like most suggestions. 

And don't forget [Fold Space] took some hot drive-by fire! Poor little fold space! 

[Andreah]

59 minutes ago, Neiska said:

actually ASK in team chat "hey anyone mind if I use group fly" before using it. Because, you know, apparently trying to play and team well with others is such a hardship

A lot of players who might have complained otherwise will appreciate the heads-up enough to work with you.