New D23 trailers

[Glacier Peak]

Captain America: Brave New World

 

The Thunderbolts*

 

Thoughts?

Edited November 10 by Glacier Peak
From D23 Brazil I guess?

[Triumphant]

Meh.

And...

Meh.

 

🤷‍♂️

[Ghost]

I think these two trailers look better than the previously released ones.

However, I have lost all hope that they will be worth a damn.  Thanks Disney.

Edited November 10 by Ghost

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Still not sold on Cap:BNW, although...

Spoiler

...the Manchurian Candidate inference of the opening seems interesting, as does Thaddeus looking surprised that he Hulked out. How would you not know?

 

A little more enthused about Thunderbolts*, which still seems like a perfectly amenable popcorn-friendly cape-r with possible DARK UNDERTONES.

[Excraft]

14 hours ago, Triumphant said:

Meh.

And...

Meh.

 

🤷‍♂️

 

Even a Meh rating is being too kind for these.  Uninteresting, tertiary D-list characters, none of which are box office draws.  Both of these are going to be colossal flops.  No interest in either of them.  The fact that Disney/Marvel is resurrecting RDJ as Iron Man Dr. Doom is proof enough how desperate the MCU has become.

 

No thanks on either of these.  Hard pass.

[Glacier Peak]

1 hour ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Still not sold on Cap:BNW, although...

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...the Manchurian Candidate inference of the opening seems interesting, as does Thaddeus looking surprised that he Hulked out. How would you not know?

 

A little more enthused about Thunderbolts*, which still seems like a perfectly amenable popcorn-friendly cape-r with possible DARK UNDERTONES.

Yeah, I thought the same thing for Captain America: BNW. Felt like that was already a story line...

 

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... carried out in the Captain America: The Winter Soldier though. So hopefully it gets more plot development!

 

1 hour ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

A little more enthused about Thunderbolts*, which still seems like a perfectly amenable popcorn-friendly cape-r with possible DARK UNDERTONES

Same - team up movies have a special place in my movie watching preferences.

[Without_Pause]

11 hours ago, Excraft said:

Uninteresting, tertiary D-list characters, none of which are box office draws.

For the record, you are including Captain America. 

[Glacier Peak]

30 minutes ago, Without_Pause said:

For the record, you are including Captain America. 

Right? What even is tertiary D-List? Is that like when a kid performs at their local school play?

 

Critics making these movies sound like they're getting a forced lobotomy. 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

3 hours ago, Glacier Peak said:

Is that like when a kid performs at their local school play?

I don't think Marvel would make flicks about the kid who turned up as the octopus to their Nativity...

...oh wait.

 

Joking aside, Marvel kinda need a new MCU Anchor Being.

Iron Man's dead. (And while they can bring back RDJ the actor, actions having permaconsequences in the MCU is a good decision.)

Cap is living undercover with Peg in an alternate timeline. 

Captain Marvel, much as some of us like her, isn't selling the tickets.

The Kang Thang misfired horribly, and not just because of talent issues.

And Deadpool can't sell lunchboxes to Walmart. Well, not that kind. Probably.

 

While they're trying to figure out who that is - and I hate to say this, but unless BNW is a complete surprise package it's probably not Sam - Thunderbolts seems like a nice placeholder, gives a bunch of underused characters a second shot at a first impression (well, Bucky's had a better run than the rest, and Walker could be... interesting.)

 

As for the forced lobotomy... right now, I could go for some uncomplicated, brain-soothing entertainment.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Speaking of entertainment... Andor S2 drops April 22nd, so expect a trailer around three months earlier.

 

Bothan spies have not smuggled any new trailer footage out of D23B (so if you see any new trailers online, they're "fan concepts").

However, what we know:

• S2 will be 4 x 3-episode mini-arcs, with large time jumps in-between.
• Ben Mendelsohn and Alan Tudyk both return, so we'll likely meet Krennic towards the end of the series and could pick up K2-SO anywhere along the line.
• Luna says the writing is bang-up stuff...
• ...with the final arc changing how we think about Rogue One.
  (Not 100% sure I like the sound of that, but it's always been Tony Gilroy's story...)

Edited November 11 by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[Without_Pause]

4 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Joking aside, Marvel kinda need a new MCU Anchor Being.

Iron Man's dead. (And while they can bring back RDJ the actor, actions having permaconsequences in the MCU is a good decision.)

Cap is living undercover with Peg in an alternate timeline. 

Captain Marvel, much as some of us like her, isn't selling the tickets.

The Kang Thang misfired horribly, and not just because of talent issues.

And Deadpool can't sell lunchboxes to Walmart. Well, not that kind. Probably.

 

While they're trying to figure out who that is - and I hate to say this, but unless BNW is a complete surprise package it's probably not Sam - Thunderbolts seems like a nice placeholder, gives a bunch of underused characters a second shot at a first impression (well, Bucky's had a better run than the rest, and Walker could be... interesting.)

 

As for the forced lobotomy... right now, I could go for some uncomplicated, brain-soothing entertainment.

 

I don't deny there being a transition period, but Spider-Man is still around. My wife and I babysit her nephew, and you better believe we are watching the new Spider-Man cartoon. Doom, for however that turns out to be, is coming. So is the Fantastic 4, and no, I'm not exactly excited by it as I think casting is a bit of a misfire. Daredevil is coming back, and lets just pray they don't screw that up because it is the rare thing I watched more than once. X-Men are here in mostly cartoon form, and that thing was fantastic although with the writer being done, we'll have to see. I fully expect more and more X-Men to start showing up. Arguably one of the most important castings might already be done in having X-23 take over as the new Wolverine as she did in the comic. If she on the level of Hugh Jackman? Hell no, But honestly, he nailed the character so well no one was going to fill that role unless a generational fit happened. They just need to nail Xavier and Magneto. I don't know how long Ruffalo wants to be Hulk, but he and Marvel absolutely want to do World War Hulk, and they have been working on getting the storyline there. There is no movie I want more. Honestly, I think going forward Marvel's biggest problem is that they have a 'other studio' problem where said studio is just going to put out steampile after steampile of content and then Marvel has to ignore or incorporate it into the MCU and pray people aren't simply worn out by it. 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

 

More very quick bits including about 15 seconds of Andor. Good to see the returning and new cast at least.

And perhaps m'learned coll' @Techwright will know what that ship is, but Vader's going to be p*ssed if that's Cassian jacking his new ride. 

 

Also tiny fragment of the Noah Hawley (Legion) series Alien:Earth, which is a prequel set Down Under. Facehuggers? Strewth, he's just bein' friendly, mate...

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[Techwright]

45 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

More very quick bits including about 15 seconds of Andor. Good to see the returning and new cast at least.

And perhaps m'learned coll' @Techwright will know what that ship is, but Vader's going to be p*ssed if that's Cassian jacking his new ride. 

 

Also tiny fragment of the Noah Hawley (Legion) series Alien:Earth, which is a prequel set Down Under. Facehuggers? Strewth, he's just bein' friendly, mate...

 

The ship appears to be a TIE Avenger (though there are some minor differences in the core. Possibly a tweak by the model shop).  I'm not sure why Cassian would be stealing it, except for the simple reason of escape.  I first thought that it might have been a forerunner of the TIE Defender, the ship being designed by Morgana and tested by Thrawn on Lothal (and a major plot point of the whole Rebels series), then I remembered that Andor Season 2 runs concurrent in the Star Wars BBY era with Rebels, so...no.   If there's a reason within books and works not put on the screen, I've not delved deep into those, so I would not know. 

 

(Side note: it is a generally held view of fans that had the TIE defender program reached a successful conclusion, mass production of it, and utilization of it by Thrawn himself, would have won the war with the Rebellion without the need for the outrageously expensive, all-eggs-in-one-basket Death Star(s).  It was that dangerous.  So that is why, for a moment, I saw a forerunner theft as exciting...before reality of the timeline kicked in.)

 

[Techwright]

2 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

Also tiny fragment of the Noah Hawley (Legion) series Alien:Earth, which is a prequel set Down Under. Facehuggers? Strewth, he's just bein' friendly, mate...

 

How is a product of the Aliens franchise also a first-showing Disney product?  I thought Fox only sold Disney their vault of films, not the whole movie making biz?

[Without_Pause]

3 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

Related.

 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

47 minutes ago, Techwright said:

I thought Fox only sold Disney their vault of films, not the whole movie making biz?

Aliens:Earth is for FX/Hulu... which may be part of D+ fairly soon officially. 

Anywhere outside the USA, there's an FX channel on D+ for stuff like The Old Man and AHS, which sits kinda odd in the menu next to Mickey Mouse Clubhouse.

 

We don't get the ESPN stuff, except for some odd bits and pieces under the NatGeo banner.

[BrandX]

I thought both the Captain America and the Thunderbolts trailers looked like fun movies.

[Excraft]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:05 AM, Without_Pause said:

For the record, you are including Captain America. 

 

Not in my opinion.  Sam may wear the costume and have the shield, but he isn't Steve Rogers and certainly isn't Captain America in my eyes.  Nothing against Sam Wilson the character or Anthony Mackie the actor, but he's a way better supporting character of Falcon than leading man. 

[Excraft]

On 11/11/2024 at 12:37 AM, Glacier Peak said:

Right? What even is tertiary D-List? Is that like when a kid performs at their local school play?

 

The D-List is a commonly used euphemism, especially in entertainment.  I'm surprised you've never heard of it, although I suspect you actually have.  You can't read an article or watch an interview about a big Hollywood star being referred to as an "A-List" celebrity. 

 

Per Google:

 

"The D-list in Hollywood refers to celebrities who are so obscure that they are typically only known for their appearances on reality television and panel game shows. A D-list celebrity is considered to be at the bottom of the celebrity heap."

 

The same can be said for these characters.  So Red Guardian, Bucky, Ghost, U.S. Agent et al. aren't "A-List" characters.  Other than US Agent, did any of them even have their own comic solo comic series?  This is Marvel/Disney attempting their take on a "Suicide Squad" type film and hoping there are enough saps fans still out there to spend money on it.  I just don't see these characters being the box office draw Disney/Marvel is hoping for.  You're welcome to disagree.

[Without_Pause]

21 minutes ago, Excraft said:

The same can be said for these characters.  So Red Guardian, Bucky, Ghost, U.S. Agent et al. aren't "A-List" characters.  Other than US Agent, did any of them even have their own comic solo comic series?  This is Marvel/Disney attempting their take on a "Suicide Squad" type film and hoping there are enough saps fans still out there to spend money on it.  I just don't see these characters being the box office draw Disney/Marvel is hoping for.  You're welcome to disagree.

Bucky, aka The Winter Solider did in fact have his own comic. 

[Excraft]

28 minutes ago, Without_Pause said:

Bucky, aka The Winter Solider did in fact have his own comic. 

 

I'll go out on a limb and say it didn't sell anywhere near X-Men or Avengers level.  Don't get me wrong, Bucky is a great supporting character and I like him in that capacity.  He isn't a leading man level character though.

[InvaderStych]

7 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Also tiny fragment of the Noah Hawley (Legion) series Alien:Earth, which is a prequel set Down Under.

 

Cautiously interested in this. I'm not sure Hawley's style lends itself to an Alien(s) installment. I fear he might be reigned in a bit for this one, but would be thrilled to find I am wrong and the proverbial They let him off the leash.

 

On 11/10/2024 at 10:52 AM, Glacier Peak said:

Felt like that was already a story line...

 

Skipping the spoiler tag under the safe assumption everyone in this thread already knows the story beats covered in CA:TWS. Honestly, I'm into it. Sure, they've already done a political thriller once - but we're talking, fundamentally, about genre films here. Each one is pretty much a re-tread of well worn ground. Heck, the first Avengers and Ultron both followed the same basic beats: Bring some characters together, get them to fight amongst themselves in Act 2, get them to come together against the "Big Bad" in Act 3. At least by following in the footsteps of TWS they're working with what I thought to be one of the best structures of the entire oeuvre to date. This one has my interest, but I don't have expectations of it being much more than passably entertaining. Esposito is always a joy to watch though, so that will help. Particularly having him take another turn as villainous.

 

Which brings me to my problem with Thunderbolts* ...

 

... once more, those same story beats - here's some characters you're mostly familiar with, here is them fighting each other, here is them banding together to fight something else. Character choice isn't my complaint here, the story structure is. Personally, I'd rather they do these sorts of explorations than just giving us the same fifteen or so characters over and over ad infinitum. (I mean, really, how many #$%^ing versions of Batman do we need?) Having said that though, the second trailer makes it appear like they are going to waste HJK's talents again which I find disappointing.

 

 

On 11/10/2024 at 9:41 AM, Excraft said:

No interest in either of them. 

 

Asking this out of genuine curiosity. What would you rather they be putting out there?

 

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

Nothing against Sam Wilson the character or Anthony Mackie the actor, but he's a way better supporting character of Falcon than leading man.

 

Mackie was great in Twisted Metal, but a terrible choice for Altered Carbon (among many terrible choices made in S2 of that adaptation). Part of the problem is that he is one of those actors who does work that is largely based on their personality rather than disappearing into a given character. Like the difference between someone like Robert DeNiro or Jack Nicholson (personalities) rather than Gary Oldman (full disappearance).

 

I can see why that would be a turn-off for some fans vis-a-vis Captain America. I don't mind the idea of the evolution of Cap, personally, and find Mackie entertaining enough to take it someplace different than the classic portrayal. That said, I could probably think of better actor choices to do it (if I could be bothered, lol), who would disappear into it more while still being the Sam Wilson version of Cap.

 

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One thing occurred to me that I am curious to hear the thoughts of others regarding:

 

I don't think that DisArvel is doing themselves any favors with these "Here is what we are planning for the next decade" reveals. Sure, great, you're thinking that you're going to drop some Mutant stories in 2027. Meanwhile, we're all out here spending the next couple years speculating, arguing, and theorizing, ultimately to be disappointed by the end product because we've been thinking about it so long. Then there's the "talent decided to mis-behave in the meantime and now we have to switch gears after announcing we were betting big on them" issue that crops up from time to time.

 

Part of their ROI problem might just be that they are putting out too much too early into a landscape that is going to obsess over it in the interim and feel let down when it doesn't match their personal expectations.

 

 

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

35 minutes ago, InvaderStych said:

I'm not sure Hawley's style lends itself to an Alien(s) installment.

Part of the appeal of Alien has been the slow-build dread, but Aliens flipped that into full-on chaos mode. Given he was responsible for the Fargo series as well (badass Martin Freeman - who knew?), I think he's very capable of both. 

 

What bugs me is the idea that this is a prequel, set 30 years before the first movie, following the investigation into a crashed UFO. It definitely sounds like something a little different, but how it gels with the rest of the canon I'm not sure...

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[InvaderStych]

53 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Part of the appeal of Alien has been the slow-build dread, but Aliens flipped that into full-on chaos mode.

 

Two very different movies, and excellent examples of how to do their respective styles properly. Hawley is very good at the slow burn - I wasn't really associating Fargo as much as I should have been. The free reign he was given with Legion sits too strongly in my consciousness. It will be interesting to see where he takes this one.

 

53 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

What bugs me is the idea that this is a prequel, set 30 years before the first movie, following the investigation into a crashed UFO. It definitely sounds like something a little different, but how it gels with the rest of the canon I'm not sure...

 

That is an odd choice.

 

Of course there were a lot of odd choices in the story-line over the years. I'm not even sure what is and isn't canon for the franchise at this point. 🤣

 

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[Techwright]

4 hours ago, InvaderStych said:

 

Two very different movies, and excellent examples of how to do their respective styles properly. Hawley is very good at the slow burn - I wasn't really associating Fargo as much as I should have been. The free reign he was given with Legion sits too strongly in my consciousness. It will be interesting to see where he takes this one.

 

 

That is an odd choice.

 

Of course there were a lot of odd choices in the story-line over the years. I'm not even sure what is and isn't canon for the franchise at this point. 🤣

 

 

I've only seen 3 movies in the franchise:  Aliens, Alien3, and Aliens vs. Predators.  Each one had a very different feel to it, so I'm not sure what a consistent Aliens style is.  I'm overdue for the first film, and I guess I'll have to stomach the ones I heard poor reviews about to get a better understanding.   Incidentally, Aliens was awesome (I had bruises for days from some random lady friend of a friend seizing my arm repeatedly very, very painfully in the jump scenes.  A unique experience.), Aliens v. Predators was great with popcorn, and Alien3 was the single most depressing movie I've ever seen. (With the possible exception of Where The Red Fern Grows, but I was a kid watching it.)  I went opening night and the whole theater was silent afterwards, and remained that way as we left. Avengers: Infinity War didn't hold a candle to it.