A Couple QoL Suggestions

[TheMultiVitamin]

Just a few that I believe would make life a little easier.

1. A new Special type of Salvage (could be called Detuners) that turn Attuned IO's back to their Non-attuned form, typically at the level of the character. So if I'm level 30, use a detuner on an attuned enhancement, then it'd just turn the attuned one into it's level 30 normal IO form instead. I imagine like other special salvage it'd take some Reward Merits to acquire.

2. When converting, make it so that it doesn't automatically put the newly converted enhancement back into the tray, so that way you can just keep clicking Convert instead of having to click and drag repeatedly.

Edited December 4 by TheMultiVitamin

[Greycat]

Not sure about the detuner. Not really invested one way or the other on that.

 

The conversion window... needs a look anyway, as some of the options (as I recall) aren't "sticky" between conversion attempts and should be. I'm not sure if there's a technical reason for them to go back to the tray or not, so...

[TheMultiVitamin]

6 hours ago, Greycat said:

Not sure about the detuner. Not really invested one way or the other on that.

 

The conversion window... needs a look anyway, as some of the options (as I recall) aren't "sticky" between conversion attempts and should be. I'm not sure if there's a technical reason for them to go back to the tray or not, so...

The Detuner's context is that I level with Attuned IO's up to 50, but once I hit 50 in order to turn the Attuned IO's into 50s so I can boost 'em I have to sell my attuned ones and buy new, lvl 50 non attuned ones. Because I generally buy at instant prices (which admittedly isn't smart but I'm impatient) this means the Attuned IO's don't sell for as much as I bought them, and the non-attuned IO's I'm buying for more then I'm selling, resulting in me losing a ton of Inf that I now have to farm/converter roulette for. Of course, this can be avoided if I just put them at more standard prices for both buying and selling and just waiting, but as mentioned I'm a very impatient person. 

On the conversion window, yea the options aren't sticky as well which can get annoying when I have to repeatedly click to change it from Rarity to Category. So those being sticky too would also be a large time saver.

Edited December 5 by TheMultiVitamin

[Captain Fabulous]

[Super Atom]

What if instead of a new salvage item, you can just spend another catalyst to remove it?

[Rudra]

Why not just use generic IOs until 50 and then slot your boosted set IOs on top of them?

[biostem]

2 hours ago, TheMultiVitamin said:

Just a few that I believe would make life a little easier.

I'll work in reverse, for this one:  I have no issue with your second suggestion.  As to the 1st one - there is and should continue to be a tradeoff for the convenience/versatility of having an attuned IO vs the extra buff value you'd get by boosting it at 50, IMO...

[arcane]

Sounds fine to me. Either that or SuperAtom’s suggestion.

[Psyonico]

1 hour ago, biostem said:

there is and should continue to be a tradeoff for the convenience/versatility of having an attuned IO vs the extra buff value you'd get by boosting it at 50, IMO...

There is already another tradeoff.  That being that boosted IOs don't carry their set bonuses down below 3 levels below whatever level they are.

[biostem]

15 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

There is already another tradeoff.  That being that boosted IOs don't carry their set bonuses down below 3 levels below whatever level they are.

Which isn't very relevant if, for instance, you kit out an alt with a bunch of attuned IOs while they're leveling up, then "de-attune" them once they hit 50, to get the best of both worlds.  Just use generic IOs or unslotters to preserve those attuned IOs and place those 50+ ones. 

[Psyonico]

1 hour ago, biostem said:

Which isn't very relevant if, for instance, you kit out an alt with a bunch of attuned IOs while they're leveling up, then "de-attune" them once they hit 50, to get the best of both worlds.  Just use generic IOs or unslotters to preserve those attuned IOs and place those 50+ ones. 

Unless you exemplar, which was my point.

 

Also, there would be a cost for whatever material de-attunes an IO.

[biostem]

1 minute ago, Psyonico said:

Also, there would be a cost for whatever material de-attunes an IO.

Which would likely be far cheaper than to replace that IO, thereby reducing any sort of opportunity cost involved in replacing it...

[Rudra]

8 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

Unless you exemplar, which was my point.

 

Also, there would be a cost for whatever material de-attunes an IO.

I'm curious now. Are there players that slot boosted IOs that ever exemplar? Everyone I know of that uses boosted IOs rather than attuned IOs never exemplar.

[Psyonico]

1 minute ago, Rudra said:

I'm curious now. Are there players that slot boosted IOs that ever exemplar? Everyone I know of that uses boosted IOs rather than attuned IOs never exemplar.

I don't slot them everywhere, but at certain times I use Boosted instead of attuned and I exemplar all the time.

[Rudra]

1 minute ago, Psyonico said:

I don't slot them everywhere, but at certain times I use Boosted instead of attuned and I exemplar all the time.

Would you if they were all boosted like the OP seems to be doing?

[TheMultiVitamin]

5 hours ago, Super Atom said:

What if instead of a new salvage item, you can just spend another catalyst to remove it?

This could also work just fine, saves the trouble of making a whole new salvage item too.

[Psyonico]

56 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Would you if they were all boosted like the OP seems to be doing?

Sure... If I'm playing a 50, I'm (usually) doing a WST. Since they come at all level ranges, I don't see that changing.  But that's the reason I don't boost every IO, I exemplar.

[biostem]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

Would you if they were all boosted like the OP seems to be doing?

I know you weren't responding to me, but I feel like this is an area where multiple builds really shines - have one build for exemplared content, and another for 50+ stuff.  It wouldn't be all that expensive, either, since you could basically use generic IOs on the sub-50 build...

[Psyonico]

1 minute ago, biostem said:

I know you weren't responding to me, but I feel like this is an area where multiple builds really shines - have one build for exemplared content, and another for 50+ stuff.  It wouldn't be all that expensive, either, since you could basically use generic IOs on the sub-50 build...

If you're using generic IOs, there is no reason to have a second build, since the boosted set IOs still provide better performance and either way you don't have set bonuses.

[tidge]

I find the detuner suggestion to be slightly more than niche, and possibly troublesome (but not too much) because of PVPs... we can effectively 'detune' and leverage the auction house to turn an attuned piece into a level 50 non-attuned piece, because of bucketing. There is the vig of course. If a character was somehow totally short on cash for the vig (and unslotters I suppose) I'm not sure how they'd be able to afford this new salvage piece and boosters.

 

 

 

[biostem]

2 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

If you're using generic IOs, there is no reason to have a second build, since the boosted set IOs still provide better performance and either way you don't have set bonuses.

Here's the thing - I've actually done this on a character - I have one build with level 25 generic IOs for all lower level content, and the main build that has set IOs, with some boosted, for 50+ content.  Beyond being able to tailor which specific enh's I'm using, I can also tweak which powers I take and when...

[tidge]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

I'm curious now. Are there players that slot boosted IOs that ever exemplar? Everyone I know of that uses boosted IOs rather than attuned IOs never exemplar.

 

1 hour ago, Psyonico said:

I don't slot them everywhere, but at certain times I use Boosted instead of attuned and I exemplar all the time.

 

I also boost level 50 enhancement pieces (that aren't Very Rare, PVP or IOs)... it is pretty much for:

• Franken-slotting, such that there was not going to be an enhancement set bonus anyway
• Sets that will only have a few pieces, don't have a viable Hami-O or D-Sync alternative, and I don't really care about any enhancement set bonus below level 45.

There aren't many in the second category, but the same ones keep appearing in certain builds.

 

[Rudra]

25 minutes ago, biostem said:

I know you weren't responding to me, but I feel like this is an area where multiple builds really shines - have one build for exemplared content, and another for 50+ stuff.  It wouldn't be all that expensive, either, since you could basically use generic IOs on the sub-50 build...

True, and I do know players that have a boosted build and an attuned build. That isn't what the OP is about though. Near as I can tell, the OP wants to replace all their attuned IOs and have a boosted build. And while I am surprised to hear about players that have both boosted and attuned on the same build, I still don't know anyone that has a boosted only build that does anything under level 50. (If @Psyonico or @tidge do this and I am misunderstanding their posts, then I sit corrected.)

 

I don't care about the second part of the OP. Personally, I think that part is a good idea. However, I'm not in favor of the first part. The author could have just slotted generic IOs for far less than attuned set IOs and then not need to worry about recouping funds to pay for boosted IOs, can just devote his/her/their saved funds to getting boosted IOs.

[biostem]

15 minutes ago, Rudra said:

I'm not in favor of the first part. The author could have just slotted generic IOs for far less than attuned set IOs and then not need to worry about recouping funds to pay for boosted IOs

I think this touches on the whole "opportunity cost" thing.  From my interpretation, it seems like the OP wants the best of both worlds - attuned IOs while leveling, then being able to boost them once they do hit 50, with little cost.  

[tidge]

I don't have a "boosted build", except in one case where I explicitly wanted a little bit MOAR on a Tanker... and that is a second build for only 50+ content (although it would work the same down to 45 I suppose).

 

I do have characters that use attuned pieces while leveling up, and at level 50 I pull them out and use level 50s that get boosted... which is what I *think* @TheMultiVitamin is saying he does, possibly to a far greater extent than I do. I sometimes swap in level 50s of PVP pieces that won't get boosted... but only if I have extras of them around, because the attuned pieces become available for future characters, This is a minor, wasteful, thing I do with certain recipes. I could of course play converter roulette with them, and sometimes I do, to get things like Shield Wall Defense pieces or Gladiator's Armor Resistance pieces to become 50+5.

 

What I was describing in my earlier post are the times when there are some pieces I slot as attuned to use when leveling up, because I don't want to think about them. When I eventually hit 50, those pieces will become boosted level 50+5 pieces.

 

An example is a power like Surveillance. It has a base Accuracy of 1.0 and a base recharge time of 45 seconds. In my calculus, I want that power to recharge faster (because it is a -20% Resistance Debuff)and I want some Accuracy. The only pieces that offer me both Accuracy and Recharge (in combination) are in the Analyze Weakness (the "goes to 50" Accurate Defense Debuff) set so I typically invest two slots of Accuracy/Recharge and Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge to do better than what I'd get from just an Accuracy IO and a Recharge IO. Those two slots get me pretty much what I want from a single-target debuff, and the set bonus of +10% Regeneration is not something I'll miss below level 45... so the attuned pieces I use while leveling may as well become Level 50+5 pieces.

 

Another place where I've sometimes applied this sort of thinking is when using 3 pieces of Luck of the Gambler, because the regeneration and health bonuses are kinda meh below 45. YMMV. I'll keep the global recharge piece attuned, but if the power the set is in has an otherwise significant Defense portion and needs a little Endurance reduction, I'll boost the Defense and Defense/Endurance pieces to 50+5. If I really didn't care about the set bonus at all I'd probably slot Hami-O (if I needed Endurance savings) or 2x Defense IOs (if I didn't) <- I've done all four combinations (all attuned same set, mixed attuned/50+5 same set, mixed LotG + Hami-O, mixed LotG + IOs) on different powers for different characters.