Sony cancels the Spiderverse films

[ZacKing]

With box office crapfests like Morbius, Madame Web and now Kraven, it's no wonder Sony's giving up on it.

 

https://comicbook.com/movies/news/sony-marvel-spider-man-universe-spinoff-movies-ending-dead/

 

 

[Techwright]

That title is confusing (or bait 😉).  It's the Spider spinoffs universe that's stopping production.  The "Spiderverse" films, those with the name "Spider-verse" in them, are a hot button item, and will continue to be made.

 

This is a good thing.  Other than bleeding money profusely, the spinoffs were not really "family" films, and Spider-man is very much a family-film kind of property.  Even the darker moments of some of the best Spider-man films do not reach the level of violence seen in the Kraven red-band trailers.  So basically Sony created niche films.    The other thing is: these characters were intended to be seen in connection with Spider-Man.  Isolating them from him, therefore, is a turn-off to many.

 

[Without_Pause]

Disappointed but not surprised. I had a sliver of hope for Kraven. I felt like the idea of Madame Web's character is an interesting idea if you strip Spider-Man out of it, but whoever green lit that character getting a movie shouldn't be in the industry. I never talked myself into watching the Venom movies because they never were that greatly reviewed. I feel like people saw them due to Venom versus them be standout movies.

[InvaderStych]

50 minutes ago, Without_Pause said:

I never talked myself into watching the Venom movies because they never were that greatly reviewed. I feel like people saw them due to Venom versus them be standout movies.

 

Watched the first two mostly because Tom Hardy can be entertaining. They're both pretty much Paint By The Numbers movies. Nothing special, but not terrible either. Will eventually get around to watching the third via whatever streaming venue it lands upon. This time though more for Chiwetel Ejiofor than any other reason. I expect more Paint By Numbers with a couple of Entertaining Actors as a bonus.

[ZacKing]

13 hours ago, Techwright said:

That title is confusing (or bait 😉).

 

That's how quite a lot of the news outlets are referring to the story.  I didn't make it up myself. 😉

[Luminara]

Sony: "We're going to make movies with Spider-man's rogues gallery"
Everyone: "Sounds good."

Sony: "Big budgets.  Big."

Everyone: "Even better."

Sony: "Without Spider-man."

Everyone: "What?"

Sony: "We were in the movie theaters with someone's mom researching movies right before she died."

Everyone: "..."

Sony: "..."

[Techwright]

6 hours ago, InvaderStych said:

 

 Will eventually get around to watching the third via whatever streaming venue it lands upon. This time though more for Chiwetel Ejiofor than any other reason.

He was in it?  So yet another MCU actor taking a different role in the spider-spinoff universe.

[InvaderStych]

2 hours ago, Techwright said:

He was in it?  So yet another MCU actor taking a different role in the spider-spinoff universe.

 

Oh, right. Mordo.

 

He plays some military dude in the 3rd Venom movie. Haven't seen it yet though. Eventually. Can be seen in the trailers.

 

Great actor at any rate. He's in my favorite David Mamet film, Redbelt. Highly recommend to anyone who's not seen it.

[biostem]

I'm actually surprised that they haven't tried to create a live action film with Miles Morales in it...

[Techwright]

1 hour ago, biostem said:

I'm actually surprised that they haven't tried to create a live action film with Miles Morales in it...

It is my guess that they are biding their time until the animated version completes (perhaps with the next film)  and possibly Tom Holland's turn as Peter Parker has nearly run its course.  I'd not be surprised if there was a passing of the mantle film with either Tom or Andrew Garfield.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Ran across this on the interweb today...

https://www.vulture.com/article/kraven-the-hunters-box-office-failure-superhero-fatigue.html

 

Tired of cape flicks? No.

Tired of Sony pumping out franchise placeholders? Absolutely.

[Techwright]

2 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Ran across this on the interweb today...

https://www.vulture.com/article/kraven-the-hunters-box-office-failure-superhero-fatigue.html

 

Tired of cape flicks? No.

Tired of Sony pumping out franchise placeholders? Absolutely.

Yeah, nope.  News reporter trying to make news there.  There's absolutely still a market for superhero films, but now having a quiver-full of good ones given to us over the last few decades, fans expect a better-quality script.  They can forgive other details like less than top-quality CGI  (the extremely popular Avengers: Infinity War suffered from that) but it always goes back to the script.  I'm very puzzled why Hollywood hasn't figured this out after decades.  It's the same thing with westerns.  The western genre was never dead, it had just been glutted with lackluster scripts.  As soon as films like Silverado,  Unforgiven, or The Revenant showed up this same class of reporters were amazed that the films did well. 

[Without_Pause]

People claim superhero fatigue and then something like Deadpool Vs. Wolverine hits. Fatigue is when the good stuff doesn't even sell. 

[Frostbiter]

 At least we can all admit now that the Joker movies were garbage. (Please don't burn my house down Joker movie fans)

[PeregrineFalcon]

11 minutes ago, Frostbiter said:

 At least we can all admit now that the Joker movies were garbage. (Please don't burn my house down Joker movie fans)

No. You're objectively wrong.

 

The first one made over a billion dollars because it was awesome. The second one barely made $200 million, and was a financial failure, but it is garbage.

[Frostbiter]

3 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

No. You're objectively wrong.

 

The first one made over a billion dollars because it was awesome. The second one barely made $200 million, and was a financial failure, but it is garbage.

 

Whatever.

[biostem]

20 hours ago, Techwright said:

fans expect a better-quality script

I could be misremembering, but I vaguely recall an article about how some recent superhero movies had started filming action sequences before they even had a script ironed-out.  If true, this screams of a "cart-before-the-horse" mentality, which desperately needs to be done away with...

[Ghost]

2 minutes ago, biostem said:

I could be misremembering, but I vaguely recall an article about how some recent superhero movies had started filming action sequences before they even had a script ironed-out.  If true, this screams of a "cart-before-the-horse" mentality, which desperately needs to be done away with...

Wouldn’t surprise me at all

”hey, I came up with this great action set piece.  Do you think you could write a movie around it?”

 

Actually reminds me of the first Friday The 13th movie.

The producer (Sean Cunningham) tells a ridiculous story where he had a title, poster and tagline (that he actually ran in newspapers) and said that if he just had a movie to go with it, he knew that he would make money.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

 

14 hours ago, Ghost said:

”hey, I came up with this great action set piece.  Do you think you could write a movie around it?”

Does the name "Fast & Furious" ring a bell? (Well, definitely the later ones.)

 

Or for an example that's a bit of a classic, how about the OG Italian Job?

(And just out of interest: how would the nerds on this board solve the Coach Problem? Any great ideas?)

[battlewraith]

18 hours ago, Frostbiter said:

 At least we can all admit now that the Joker movies were garbage. (Please don't burn my house down Joker movie fans)

 

Yes, they were BOTH garbage. The first one tapped into some sort of incel zeitgeist, but should have just been framed as a movie about mental illness, not a Joker movie.

[Frostbiter]

50 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

Yes, they were BOTH garbage. The first one tapped into some sort of incel zeitgeist, but should have just been framed as a movie about mental illness, not a Joker movie.

 

Careful. Don't you know I'm not allowed to have an opinion on here? I'm pretty sure that comment is actionable.

[PeregrineFalcon]

4 hours ago, Frostbiter said:

Careful. Don't you know I'm not allowed to have an opinion on here? I'm pretty sure that comment is actionable.

You get used to it after awhile.

 

Though it does get old having to edit and re-edit my posts before I submit them so as to wash out every possible word and/or term that could possibly offend anyone. I've had to resort to keeping a list of things I'm not allowed to say since the mods look at every one of my posts at this point.

[Ghost]

24 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

You get used to it after awhile.

 

Though it does get old having to edit and re-edit my posts before I submit them so as to wash out every possible word and/or term that could possibly offend anyone. I've had to resort to keeping a list of things I'm not allowed to say since the mods look at every one of my posts at this point.

I’m offended!

MODS!

[Frostbiter]

Maybe the poster that I had to block for giving me an unreasonably hard time on numerous occasions should consider being less of an overbearing douchebag? Nobody needs them crashing down on them like a ton of bricks for not conforming to their views on things. The world does not revolve around them and their take on things. Oh well. Se la vie. Not my problem anymore.

Edited Wednesday at 07:37 PM by Frostbiter

[biostem]

9 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

it does get old having to edit and re-edit my posts before I submit them so as to wash out every possible word and/or term that could possibly offend anyone

I'm offended by your attempts to not offend anyone!