Rebirth Has a Nice Thing - Maybe We Ought To Have It Too

[TWSLives]

So, it appears that Rebirth will have an RGB colour palette for costume customisation.  I think such a thing would be very welcome here.

 

Full Spectrum Costuming coming to City of Heroes Rebirth, Issue 7: The Coming Storm

 

 

[Snarky]

11 minutes ago, TWSLives said:

So, it appears that Rebirth will have an RGB colour palette for costume customisation.  I think such a thing would be very welcome here.

 

Full Spectrum Costuming coming to City of Heroes Rebirth, Issue 7: The Coming Storm

 

 

ehhh..... meh.  i have trained in art.  painting and such.  don't worry, i suck and do not inflict my "projects" on the masses.  this is nice... but.... meh.  the actual differences will be minimal.  if we were using a 8 color box of crayons and moving to an "infinite" box, that would be something.  but we are using closer to a 64 or larger.  and the more you have the less difference iy makes.

[JasperStone]

I saw that on FB.

Interesting

 

I think yes for those players who want that amount of specificity and detail for their costumes.

 

No, if it is work that puts other things on the sideline.

 

Long-term... sure.

[Excraft]

31 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

I think yes for those players who want that amount of specificity and detail for their costumes.

 

I think it very safe to say there are a ton of players who want that amount of specificity and detail for their costumes.

 

31 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

No, if it is work that puts other things on the sideline.

 

It's not up to us to judge what is or isn't on the "to do" list. 

 

Wholeheartedly support any updates and additions to the costume editor, along with other QoL improvements.  Personally, I think there is already plenty of story content and plenty of powersets to play around with.  It would be nice to get an update or two that focused on QoL improvements.

 

Rebirth has some very cool stuff.  All of the other servers do.  I highly recommend everyone to give them all a try.   Some of the costume updates other servers have done put Homecoming to shame.

Edited January 9 by Excraft

[Glacier Peak]

Good for them. I'm happy with what we've got here. Costume jank is my least favorite part about how other servers have made things possible. Homecoming has made plenty of quality costume additions that aren't jank.

[Enamel_32]

My 2 cents:

1. This would help with muted and neutral colors, which aren't very well represented in the default color palette. I've always felt a bit limited with my options for brown, for example.
2. I think it was an intentional design choice that you can't pick flesh tones for, say, tights. What changes, if anything, if that's possible?

Edited January 9 by Enamel_32

[gameboy1234]

27 minutes ago, Excraft said:

It's not up to us to judge what is or isn't on the "to do" list. 

 

Wholeheartedly support any updates and additions to the costume editor, along with other QoL improvements.  Personally, I think there is already plenty of story content and plenty of powersets to play around with.  It would be nice to get an update or two that focused on QoL improvements.

 

Yeah this.  Toss ideas onto the pile, it's up to HC to sort out what they want to work on.

 

I'd like to see this, there's quite a lot of colors that can't be represented with the simple choices we have.  Otoh it's not a huge priority either for me personally.  I'd like it if it shows up, if not other stuff is cool too.

 

[Excraft]

21 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Costume jank is my least favorite part about how other servers have made things possible. Homecoming has made plenty of quality costume additions that aren't jank.

 

There are quite a lot of costume additions and changes on other servers that aren't "jank", so attempting to paint every costume addition on other servers that way is disingenuous.  Let's be honest and admit that not everything done here is perfect either. 

[Glacier Peak]

12 minutes ago, Excraft said:

There are quite a lot of costume additions and changes on other servers that aren't "jank", so attempting to paint every costume addition on other servers that way is disingenuous.  Let's be honest and admit that not everything done here is perfect either. 

Sure, go for it.

[ZacKing]

52 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Costume jank is my least favorite part about how other servers have made things possible. Homecoming has made plenty of quality costume additions that aren't jank.

 

Yeah there's no costume pieces and such here that have clipping issues or other such "jank" whatsoever .... right.  lol 🤣  There's some very cool and quite extensive quality costume additions and improvements on other servers.  I know it's tempting to try and crap all over anything that isn't HC for some people, but painting all the work other servers have done on the costume editor as "jank" is intentionally misleading.

[megaericzero]

55 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Costume jank is my least favorite part about how other servers have made things possible.

Given the costume files save colors in RGB values, they already have access to all the colors. Any potential jank would likely be with UI implementation and removing/suspending any backend safeguards that normally prevent you from deviating from the standard swatch options.

[tidge]

I'm in the "absolutely no rush" camp.

 

There have been plenty of times where I felt I couldn't match colors exactly as I wanted (mostly on costumes, occasionally on powers) but more common than that bummer is that the art asset I want to use doesn't allow changing the color of the specific part I *want* to change. Again, no big deal for me.

 

If I had to identify the most common issue I have with the Homecoming (and previously, Live) color palette: For colors of skin that no earth humans naturally have, the same shading pretty much never exists in the non-skin elements of the costume creator. Some are close, but usually it is easy to see where "skin" is used and "costume" is used.

[Glacier Peak]

26 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

Yeah there's no costume pieces and such here that have clipping issues or other such "jank" whatsoever .... right.  lol 🤣  There's some very cool and quite extensive quality costume additions and improvements on other servers.  I know it's tempting to try and crap all over anything that isn't HC for some people, but painting all the work other servers have done on the costume editor as "jank" is intentionally misleading.

I haven't seen any costume pieces that Homecoming created that are janky. 

 

Edit: Here are all the new costume pieces that Homecoming has added over the past few Page and Issue releases. I don't consider any of these janky.

 

Spoiler

Issue 28, Page 1 New Costume Parts - Auras

• The following customization options have been added to costume aura offerings:
  • Alpha (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Atomic (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Battle Fury (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Beastly Rage (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Binary (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Cryo (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Electricity (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Fairy Dust (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Fire (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Fire Flies (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Gaseous (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Glow (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Omega (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Pixels (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Smouldering (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Snow (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Sparkle (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Sparks (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Starburst Glow (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Tendrils (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Thunderhead (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)
  • Volcanic (Right Eye, Left Eye, +Combat)

 

Issue 27, Page 7 New Costume Parts

• Added 'Gold Bricker' preset to the costume menu set offerings.

Male / Female / Huge:

• Patterns > Chest, Gloves, Hips, Boots > "Bars" (Contribution by @Marbing)
• Patterns > Chest, Gloves, Hips, Boots > "Technopath" (Contribution by @Marbing)
• Patterns > Chest, Gloves, Hips, Boots > "Paragon Protector"
• Head > Full Helmet > "Paragon Protector"
• Head > Hats > "Plague Doctor 1"
• Head > Hats > "Plague Doctor 2"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Plague Doctor"
• Head > Half Helmets > Helmets > "Modern Beret"
• Head > Half Helmets > Helmets > "ACH Helmet Tintable 1"
• Head > Half Helmets > Helmets > "ACH Helmet Tintable 2"
• Head > Half Helmets > Helmets > "ACH Helmet 1-8"
• Head > Half Helmets > Helmet Detail 1 > "Modern Beret Flash"
• Head > Half Helmets > Helmet Detail 2 > "Modern Beret Detail 1-13"
• Head > Floating Heads > Eyeball > "Basic"
• Head > Floating Heads > Eyeball > "Glowing"
• Head > Floating Heads > Eyeball > "Evil"
• Head > Floating Heads > Skull 1 > "Glowing"
• Head > Floating Heads > Skull 1 > "Evil"
• Head > Floating Heads > Skull 2 > "Glowing"
• Head > Floating Heads > Skull 2 > "Evil"
• Head > Floating Heads > Skull 3 > "Glowing"
• Head > Floating Heads > Skull 3 > "Evil"
• Head > Think Tank > Eyeball > "Basic"
• Head > Think Tank > Eyeball > "Glowing"
• Head > Think Tank > Eyeball > "Evil"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 1 > "Basic"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 1 > "Glowing"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 1 > "Evil"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 2 > "Basic"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 2 > "Glowing"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 2 > "Evil"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 3 > "Basic"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 3 > "Glowing"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 3 > "Evil"
• Head > Think Tank > Skull 4 > "Basic"
• Head > Think Tank > Rubber Duck > "Friendly"
• Head > Think Tank > Rubber Duck > "Evil"
• Shoulders > Ornate Skulls > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Ornate Skulls > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Half Skulls > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Half Skulls > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Fanged Skulls > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Fanged Skulls > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Large Fanged Skull > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Large Fanged Skull > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Large Skull > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Large Skull > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Ribs + Skulls > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Ribs + Skulls > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Spines + Skulls > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Spines + Skulls > "Metallic Glow"
• Shoulders > Ilium + Skulls > "Glow"
• Shoulders > Ilium + Skulls > "Metallic Glow"
• Belt > Skull > "Glow"
• Belt > Skull > "Metallic Glow"
• Belt > Fanged Skull > "Glow"
• Belt > Fanged Skull > "Metallic Glow"
• Belt > Lone Skull > "Glow"
• Belt > Lone Skull > "Metallic Glow"
• Belt > Headhunter > "Glow"
• Belt > Headhunter > "Metallic Glow"
• Gloves > "Advanced Clockwork Blaster"
• Various > Clockwork > "Rusted Clockwork" - Texture added to all existing Praetorian Clockwork parts except faces.
• Backpacks > "Tech Knight Quiver 2" - Offset to the right to allow for a holstered bow to rest on the left shoulder alongside it.
• Backpacks > "Clockwork"
• Backpacks > "Rusted Clockwork"
• Backpacks > "Clockwork Winder"

Male:

• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1 (High)"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1 (Low)"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1S"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1S (High)"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1S (Low)"
• Head > Detail 2 > "Plague Doctor"

Female:

• Upper Body > Roman Sybil > "Roman Sybil 1"
• Upper Body > Roman Sybil > "Roman Sybil 2"
• Head > Detail 2 > "Plague Doctor"

Huge:

• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1 (High)"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1 (Low)"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1S"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1S (High)"
• Head > Detail 1 > "Sweetheart 1S (Low)"

Snakeskin Capes:

These are available for all body types after earning the Mongoose badge (for defeating 50 Snakes).

• Capes > Collars > "Mongoose: Snakeman"
• Capes > Collars > "Mongoose: Snakeskin"
• Capes > Collars > "Mongoose: Stheno"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeman (Viper)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeman (Mamba)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeman (Cobra)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeskin (Viper)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeskin (Mamba)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeskin (Cobra)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Stheno (Viper)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Stheno (Mamba)"
• Capes > "Mongoose: Stheno (Cobra)"
• VEATS > Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeman (Arachnos)"
• VEATS > Capes > "Mongoose: Snakeskin (Arachnos)"
• VEATS > Capes > "Mongoose: Stheno (Arachnos)"

 

Issue 27, Page 6 New Costume Parts

• Categories > Metallic 3 (cleaner version of Metallic 2)
• Half & Full Helmet Detail(s) > Bot Shield 2 (Glow version)
• Half & Full Helmet Detail(s) > Bunker Shield 2 (Glow version)
• Half & Full Helmet Detail(s) > Tek Shield 2 (Glow version)
• Detail(s) > Blast Goggles 2 (Glow version)
• Detail 1 > 3-D Glasses (Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Sporty 1 (Transparent: Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Sporty 1S (Solid: Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Sporty 2 (Transparent: Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Sporty 2S (Solid: Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Shield 1 (Transparent: Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Shield 1S (Solid: Standard, Low, High)
• Auras > Mycelium > Mushrooms
• Auras > Mycelium > Mushrooms Tintable
• Auras > Mycelium > Original Min Fx
• Auras > Mycelium > Tintable Min Fx
• Auras > Mycelium > Mushrooms - Combat
• Auras > Mycelium > Mushrooms Tintable - Combat
• Auras > Mycelium > Original Min Fx - Combat
• Auras > Mycelium > Tintable Min Fx - Combat
• Patterns > Chest, Gloves, Hips, Boots >  Diamond Cut (by @Marbing)
• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Gloves > Custom Alt"
• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Gloves > Custom Long Alt"
• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Gloves > Custom Short Alt"
• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Pants > Custom Alt"
• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Boots > Custom Alt"

Male, Huge:

• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Pants > Custom Armored Alt" (Females will receive these at a later date)

Female, Huge:

• All Categories > Metallic 2 (Female & Huge were missing them)

Female, Male:

• VEAT: "Bane/Crab > Chest > Custom Alt" (Huge does not have the tricep spikes that utilize the swapped secondary color.)

Female:

• Detail 1 > Sweetheart 1 (Transparent: Standard, Low, High)
• Detail 1 > Sweetheart 1S (Solid: Standard, Low, High)

 

Issue 27, Page 4 - Costume Additions & Changes

• Four new pattern sets have been added, contributed by volunteer @Marbing!
  • Layer Stripe - Chest, Legs, Boots.
  • Mystic - Chest, Gloves, Hips, Boots
  • Slate - Chest, Legs, Boots, Gloves.
  • Vigilant - Chest, Legs, Boots, Gloves.
• All > Lower Body > Boots > Rocket Boots:
  • 'Tintable Flight FX' option added.
  • 'Flight + Jump FX' option added, animates the rockets during jumps, with a landing FX.
  • 'Tintable Flight + Jump FX' option added.
  • 'No FX' option added.
• All > Lower Body > Boots > Piston Boots:
  • 'No FX' option added.
• All > Lower Body > Boots > Winged Boots:
  • 'No FX' option added to all four variants.
• Male/Huge > Lower Body > Boots >  Sneakers:
  • 'No Socks' option added.
• All > Head > Detail 2 > Reaper:
  • Now supports two-color tinting. Replaces original single-tint version.
• All > Upper Body > Gloves > Aeon Tech:
  • New option that allows tinting the glow.
  • Original version now labeled 'Legacy'.
• All > Back Detail > Back Packs:
  • 'Tech Knight Capacitor' and 'Tech Knight Reactor' no longer have the energy ball FX, akin to how they did pre-fix.
  • 'Tech Knight Capacitor w/FX' option added.
  • 'Tech Knight Reactor w/FX' option added.
  • 'Warp w/FX' option added.
• Female > Upper Body > Unique Tops:
  • All five 'Yakuza' chest textures added.
  • Both 'Labeaux' chest textures added.
  • 'Carnival' chest texture added.
• Female > Upper Body > Shirts:
  • All five 'Yakuza' chest textures added.
  • Both 'Labeaux' chest textures added.
  • 'Carnival' chest texture added.
• Male & Huge > Head > Detail 1:
  • 'Thunder Horns' option added.
• All > Arachnos Soldier > All > Chest Detail:
  • 'Rogue Arachnos' option added.

Sheathed Weapon System!!

• All characters with powers using custom melee weapons now have access to an option to display their character's weapon models on their costume. This is controlled via a toggle button next to the weapon:

Very kind of Jack In Irons to share his club with everyone!

• Which then puts the weapon on the character's costume when not drawn:

Like so!

• Sheathed weapons are dynamically drawn by the player's character when combat is initiated (if using a 'No Redraw' power customization option, this is skipped).

Weapons that utilize particle FX enter an 'off' state when sheathed,

but activate when drawn for combat!

• Weapons that are incorporeal/conjured in nature, such as elemental weapons, do not have sheathed options.
• This update only applies to melee weapons. Holstered Costume Weapons for ranged weapon sets will come later in a future content update.

 

Issue 27, Page 3 Costume Additions & Changes

• All > Jetpack:
  • Added a new "Jetpacks" category under "Back Details" to support future Jetpacks.
  • Existing jetpacks found under "Backpacks" have not been moved yet.
  • Added "GoldBricker" to "Jetpacks" (the legacy color version of this jetpack is delayed for technical reasons)
• All > Various:
  • Added "Spectrum" texture to many categories that were missing the option.
• All > Jackets > Belts:
  • Added "Resistance" belt.
• All > Standard & Full Mask > Detail 2:
  • Added "Arena Headset"
• All > Head > Detail 1:
  • Added "Gold Bricker"
  • Added "Blindfold 1" and "Blindfold 2" as "Detail 1" options. (Derived from Headband and Wrapped. Tied versions not available with hats/helmets).
• Male & Huge > Head > Face:
  • Added "Hostile Face 6"
• All > Upper Body > Chest Detail > Special Symbols
  • Added "Hero Corp Logo"
• Female & Huge > Upper Body > Jackets > Chest Detail > Under
  • Added all missing symbols from 'Special Symbols' category
• Female > Head > Hats:
  • Added "Resistance", bringing it in line with males. This was an incomplete asset and was reconstituted.
• Female > Head > Detail 1:
  • Added "Gunslinger 05"
  • Added "Gunslinger 06"
  • Added "Gunslinger 07"
  • Added "Gunslinger 08"
  • Fixed Gunslinger bow transparency issue, which has been broken since live. (If you feel *strongly* against the fix since it affects visuals, please voice your concerns on the feedback thread)
  • Fixed minor tint color bleed on gunslinger bow
  • Adjusted smoothing on gunslinger bow (sharp edges on the bow are gone)
• All > Gloves:
  • Added "Aeon Tech"
  • Added "Gold Bricker"
  • Added "Gold Bricker (Legacy)"
• All > Upper Body > Belts:
  • Added "Official (Simple)"
  • Added "Official (Dual Pistol)"
  • Added "Gold Bricker"
  • Added "Gold Bricker (Legacy)"
• Female > Upper Body > Belts:
  • Added "Carnival of Light 2"
• Female > Lower Body > Skirts > Bottom:
  • Restored Bikini 2
  • Restored Bikini 3
• All > Lower Body > Tights:
  • Added "Gold Bricker"
  • Added "Gold Bricker (Legacy)"
• All > Lower Body > Tucked In:
  • Added "Gold Bricker 1"
  • Added "Gold Bricker 1 (Legacy)"
  • Added "Gold Bricker 2"
  • Added "Gold Bricker 2 (Legacy)"
• All > Boots:
  • Added "Gold Bricker"
  • Added "Gold Bricker (Legacy)"
• All > Custom Weapons > Battle Axe:
  • Added "Roman Nictus"

 

 

Edited January 9 by Glacier Peak

[lemming]

1 hour ago, Enamel_32 said:

I think it was an intentional design choice that you can't pick flesh tones for, say, tights. What changes, if anything, if that's possible?

Are you that new to the internet that you don't know why?

 

It would be cool, and like pointed out, it stores in the RGB values already.   Is it worth it?  For probably quite a few, yes.

[Enamel_32]

Just now, lemming said:

Are you that new to the internet that you don't know why?

 

It would be cool, and like pointed out, it stores in the RGB values already.   Is it worth it?  For probably quite a few, yes.

 

I meant that question more in legal/ncsoft agreement terms, not so much the costumes coming out of such a change. Back in the day it was probably relevant for things like the ESRB rating.

[JasperStone]

1 hour ago, Excraft said:

It's not up to us to judge what is or isn't on the "to do" list. 

 

Wholeheartedly support any updates and additions to the costume editor, along with other QoL improvements.  Personally, I think there is already plenty of story content and plenty of powersets to play around with.  It would be nice to get an update or two that focused on QoL improvements.

No judging here, just sharing an opinion....which is what the forums are for.

 

And ...

You missed that I did support it.

[GM Crumpet]

We don't discuss what other servers do or don't do. We do our thing, they do theirs.

[ZacKing]

1 hour ago, Glacier Peak said:

I haven't seen any costume pieces that Homecoming created that are janky. 

 

Edit: Here are all the new costume pieces that Homecoming has added over the past few Page and Issue releases. I don't consider any of these janky.

 

That's great that you took the time to compile a list.  It still doesn't change the fact that there are many costume pieces here, regardless of whether HC made them or not, that have clipping issues and other "jank".  I think you know that, but just don't want to admit it.  Like I said, I know its tempting for some to crap on anything not HC, but to try and paint everything other servers do as crap or "jank" is being disingenuous, and I think you know that too.  I don't see anything "janky" in the video clip posted above.  It looks nicely done and well implemented to me. 

[Super Atom]

50 minutes ago, GM Crumpet said:

We don't discuss what other servers do or don't do. We do our thing, they do theirs.

 

oh yeah? then explain the victory server announcement.

 

checkmate

[Glacier Peak]

5 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

That's great that you took the time to compile a list. 

Thank you. It is a great list and shows exactly why I commented that Homecoming has made non-janky costume pieces. 

[Super Atom]

3 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Thank you. It is a great list and shows exactly why I commented that Homecoming has made non-janky costume pieces. 

 

it took me three seconds to prove you wrong

 

(not that i have an issue with the jank needed to make the cool beret work)

Edited January 9 by Super Atom

[ZacKing]

4 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Thank you. It is a great list and shows exactly why I commented that Homecoming has made non-janky costume pieces. 

 

Are you completely sure about that?  😉

 

Super Atom beat me to it. 🤣

 

Anyway, yes, HC has made some nice pieces.  So have other servers and trying to paint everything here as "perfect" or "not jank" and everything every other server does as crap is disingenuous.  But like I said, I think you know that already, you just don't want to admit it. 

Edited January 9 by ZacKing

[Snarky]

8 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

 

oh yeah? then explain the victory server announcement.

 

checkmate

Victory is Homecoming.  pretty sure that was a stalemate move.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Snarky said:

Victory is Homecoming.  pretty sure that was a stalemate move.

 

i don't think you can say stalemate near British people, they'll think you're referring to a boring friend

[Excraft]

1 hour ago, JasperStone said:

No judging here, just sharing an opinion....which is what the forums are for.

 

And ...

You missed that I did support it.

 

Never said you couldn't share an opinion and no, I didn't miss that you supported the idea.