It is time for a HARDCORE SERVER!

[arcane]

2 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

You mean like PvP? Agreed, go tell all the PvPers no more updates because there just isn't enough of them.

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I… don’t see anything wrong with this suggestion at this point in the game’s history. Should probably be its own thread though.

[Doc_Scorpion]

Yeah, I'm done attempting to have a rational discussion with someone that keeps resorting to name calling and argument by assertion (in face of facts to the contrary).

[Troo]

 

I agree, a demonstration of popularity should be simple.

 

Start a club here on the forums, start a Hardmode SG. 

 

Get some reasonable number of folks to actively participate in either or both, and boom there is a show of need. Without that anecdotal evidence of need either way is limited.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Doc_Scorpion said:

Yeah, I'm done attempting to have a rational discussion with someone that keeps resorting to name calling and argument by assertion (in face of facts to the contrary).

 

You literally started your posting by calling the guy, who was very friendly most of this forum, idea as shit.

 

rules for thee not for me 😞 

[Rudra]

3 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

4 minutes ago, Doc_Scorpion said:

Yeah, I'm done attempting to have a rational discussion with someone that keeps resorting to name calling and argument by assertion (in face of facts to the contrary).

 

You literally started your posting by calling the guy, who was very friendly most of this forum, idea as shit.

 

rules for thee not for me 😞 

No, (s)he/they called the idea that. Not the person. Quote here:

 

2 hours ago, Doc_Scorpion said:

We don't treat "new ideas" like this.  We treat "[censored] awful ideas" like this.


 

Don't know, and don't care.  WoW is not CoX.  CoX is not WoW.  Two very different games with two very different game design philosophies and two very different user bases.  And that's setting aside that "popular to watch" is almost certainly not equivalent to "popular to play".

 

See? Nowhere in the post is the author being called anything vulgar. Just the idea. If you don't like the idea being called that? Okay. Saying that is the author being called that however? Is a stretch.

[Super Atom]

2 minutes ago, Rudra said:

See? Nowhere in the post is the author being called anything vulgar. Just the idea. If you don't like the idea being called that? Okay. Saying that is the author being called that however? Is a stretch.

 

No, It's directly inflammatory. I've literally seen you argue the opposite way in the past.

 

But that's kind of your MO 😉 

 

also i literally said he called their idea shit?? what the fuck are you talking about "Idea shit" its literally right there

 

 

Edited February 14 by Super Atom

[Wavicle]

Sure. Just not in Homecoming.

[Rudra]

Just now, Super Atom said:

 

No, It's directly inflammatory. I've literally seen you argue the opposite way in the past.

 

But that's kind of your MO 😉 

Like GM² tells us routinely: Be excellent to each other. Attack the idea, not the person. And @Doc_Scorpion was attacking the idea, not the person. Anyway, I've done my White Knighting for the month.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Rudra said:

Like GM² tells us routinely: Be excellent to each other. Attack the idea, not the person. And @Doc_Scorpion was attacking the idea, not the person. Anyway, I've done my White Knighting for the month.

 

Sure, but don't bitch when people call what you say stupid too???

 

Or are you saying i shouldn't tell him he's not a developer?

[Rudra]

Just now, Super Atom said:

Sure, but don't bitch when people call what you say stupid too???

As long as you are attacking my idea, and not me like several people like to do on these forums, I won't.

 

Just now, Super Atom said:

Or are you saying i shouldn't tell him he's not a developer?

Not the same thing? (S)he/they is not a developer as far as I know. So who cares if you state that.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Rudra said:

As long as you are attacking my idea, and not me like several people like to do on these forums, I won't.

 

Not the same thing? (S)he/they is not a developer as far as I know. So who cares if you state that.

 

Ok so you didn't actually read the exchange, you just assumed. He's bent out of shape because i said he was nobody in relation to demanding i go out and prove stuff to him, I even agreed with his overall idea but said it would have to come from a developer to have any weight.

 

So please Rudra, explain where i personally insulted him and not his idea.

[Rudra]

  

4 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

 

Ok so you didn't actually read the exchange, you just assumed. He's bent out of shape because i said he was nobody in relation to demanding i go out and prove stuff to him, I even agreed with his overall idea but said it would have to come from a developer to have any weight.

 

So please Rudra, explain where i personally insulted him and not his idea.

Except I did read the posts. And here are the relevant ones below:

 

 

28 minutes ago, Doc_Scorpion said:

Speaking from experience, the latter statement is absolutely not true.  Siege Perilous (a hardcore shard when compared to than the main shards) on UO was always a ghost town, with a population a miniscule fraction of that of even the smallest main shard.  As has been repeatedly pointed out, it's not popular here on CoX either - hard mode players absolutely represent a sub microscopic fraction of the user base.

If hardmode is so popular, then it should be easy for you and other proponents of this idea to demonstrate it in practice.  Build an SG, a coalition of SGs, that play exclusively hardmode.  Rather than continuing to (demonstrably falsely) assert that it's universally popular - prove us wrong.

 

28 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

 

agreed

 

 

You mean like PvP? Agreed, go tell all the PvPers no more updates because there just isn't enough of them.

 

 

No.

 

26 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

I don't have to prove shit to you, you're nobody. If a developer would like to see people engage in Hardmode activity before they consider it, I think that'd be a reasonable request and an opportunity for an hardmode fans to act on it.

The one who called someone nobody was you. In response to you being asked to do what the devs have asked us all to do to have a change implemented: gather data for them.

 

Edited February 14 by Rudra
Edited to fix mispelled "here".

[arcane]

Can you guys cool it? I have clouds to yell at.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Rudra said:

The one who called someone nobody was you. In response to you being asked to do what the devs have asked us all to do to have a change implemented: gather data for them.

 

Calling him a nobody in relation to the Homecoming team is accurate. We're all not developers, we cannot make that demand of other players. He lacks the ability to follow through on the desired end result.

 

We are a bunch of nobody players arguing about a dead MMO, this was not a personal insult. It would be if his ego was so unreasonable inflated he believes he has the power to greenlight Hardmode if enough people ask for it.

[Rudra]

Just now, Super Atom said:

 

Calling him a nobody in relation to the Homecoming team is accurate. We're all not developers, we cannot make that demand of other players. He lacks the ability to follow through on the desired end result.

 

We are a bunch of nobody players arguing about a dead MMO, this was not a personal insult. It would be if his ego was so unreasonable inflated he believes he has the power to greenlight Hardmode if enough people ask for it.

 

2 minutes ago, Rudra said:

 In response to you being asked to do what the devs have asked us all to do to have a change implemented: gather data for them.

 

[Seed22]

I wouldnt want a HC mode personally but its fine for those who do.

 

I also personally don’t value anyone’s opinion who’s not a dev on matters of what gets added to the game.

 

A bunch of nobodies with no experience with gaming whatsover over at least some volunteers with experience with CoH? Yeah I’ll hear it straight from rhe horses mouth on whether something can be added or not and not anyone elses.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Rudra said:

 In response to you being asked to do what the devs have asked us all to do to have a change implemented: gather data for them.

 

Quote

If hardmode is so popular, then it should be easy for you and other proponents of this idea to demonstrate it in practice.  Build an SG, a coalition of SGs, that play exclusively hardmode.  Rather than continuing to (demonstrably falsely) assert that it's universally popular - prove us wrong.

 

This is not how you're wording it. He's demanding proof to prove HIM wrong. Stop trying to rewrite history because you jumped the gun and got called out again.

[Troo]

On 2/14/2025 at 1:44 PM, Super Atom said:

You continuing to pretend like people are trying to force you to play it is annoying.

 

Let me interject. A reasonable perception would be that any time spent on a project could take away from another. (it doesn't work always work this way, pet projects and all)

 

Spinning up a unique server with unique code for a niche play style that can already be done today without any changes...

This would seem to potentially require attention that could be used elsewhere.

 

Encouraging suggestions even when I disagree with them. I can do that. I am also open to being wrong.

 

Edited Sunday at 05:16 PM by Troo

[Indystruck]

super atom rules actually and the people they argue with are usually wrong

[Super Atom]

Just now, Troo said:

 

I personally try to encourage suggestions even when I disagree with them. I am open to being wrong.

I have never gotten the impression @Super Atom tries to do the same. I find them abusive, abrasive, & exhausting. That's just based on what I've seen in these limited forum interactions.

I could be wrong. I wish them no ill will.

 

 

This thread. Literally this one. I'm defending a basic concept people want and i don't particular care about. the OP was absolutely dog piled on by people using their own preference of play to dismiss and insult the person.

 

1 minute ago, Troo said:

Let me interject. A reasonable perception would be that any time spent on a project could take away from another. (it doesn't work always work this way, pet projects and all)

 

Spinning up a unique server with unique code for a niche play style that can already be done today without any changes...

This would seem to potentially require attention that could be used elsewhere.

 

This is probably true, the dev time would likely be considered too much for the player size. But this would be for a developer to decide, and if HC did say it, it would likely be accepted without much of a fight.

 

[Troo]

 

I promise, suggestions are read by Homecoming.

 

The expectation that Homecoming respond or present reasons to do or not do something is likely a unrealistic or false expectation.

 

[arcane]

6 minutes ago, Indystruck said:

super atom rules actually and the people they argue with are usually wrong

The cheerleading squad has arrived. Thank god.

[Super Atom]

Just now, Troo said:

 

I promise, suggestions are read by Homecoming.

 

The expectation that Homecoming respond or present reasons to do or not do something is likely a unrealistic or false expectation.

 

 

100% I don't mean to imply they don't, if you're saying i may have.

 

My comment on needing a dev to reply just is for like a weight thing, not a demand. I know they read suggestion forums and are fully capable of determining if an idea is in their interest with or without 100 pages of infighting and yelling at clouds

[Super Atom]

Just now, arcane said:

The cheerleading squad has arrived. Thank god.

 

Curious you say this to him and not Rudra.

 

Rudra alt confirmed 👀

[arcane]

Just now, Super Atom said:

 

Curious you say this to him and not Rudra.

 

Rudra alt confirmed 👀

Rudra alt? Please. Rudra’s position on patrol xp is even more ridiculously niche than Hardcore mode players, and I bet he couldn’t accumulate half the moderator infractions I’m capable of. You can think of a better comparison than that.