Question about Preventive Medicine: Absorb proc (and other Healing set uniques)

[Stormwalker]

Really, this is kind of a question about all of the Big 4 heal uniques (Preventive Medicine, Panacea, Numina's, and Miracle), but it's particularly important with regard to Preventive Medicine in the build I'm currently working on (EM//Invuln brute).

 

I'm trying to decide which heal set to slot in Dull Pain.  Ideally, I'd like to slot Preventive Medicine, as it has better set bonuses for this build (in particular, I really need that 8.75% recharge to make my attack chain work).  But whether that's a good option depends on how the Absorb proc works, because there's no point in slotting it if the proc won't work right.

 

My current understanding is that Preventive Medicine works independently of the power it's set in - it has a chance to trigger when you drop below a certain health, regardless of the state of the power that it's in (active or not).  If this understanding is correct, then I can slot it in Dull Pain and it'll work just fine.

 

If my understanding is NOT correct, then I need to slot it in an auto power (Health or Physical Perfection), and slot something else (probably Numina's)  in Dull Pain.

 

In the larger sense... which of these four can be slotted in a click power and be counted on to provide their benefit even when the click is not in use?

• Preventive Medicine: Absorb Proc (I think this one can, but trying to verify)
• Panacea: +Hit Points/+Endurance (I think this one needs to be in a power that's active.  I nearly always put it in Health)
• Numina's Convalescence: +Regeneration/+Recovery (I think this is one of those that activates when the power does, but it has a long duration, so it's usually OK in a click as long as the click gets used regularly?  But not sure about that, either)
• Miracle: +Recovery (pretty sure this one works the same way as Numina's)
• For that matter, how does the Regenerative Tissue: Regeneration proc work?  I don't typically use it, but it'd be good to know.

Edited March 4 by Stormwalker

[arcane]

Your understanding is correct. Preventive Medicine works no matter where it’s slotted. The others need to be in an auto or a toggle though.

[Stormwalker]

10 minutes ago, arcane said:

Your understanding is correct. Preventive Medicine works no matter where it’s slotted. The others need to be in an auto or a toggle though.

 

Thank you for confirming that!

[JJDrakken]

9 hours ago, arcane said:

Your understanding is correct. Preventive Medicine works no matter where it’s slotted. The others need to be in an auto or a toggle though.

 

Not quite right.  Half right at best.

 

The Preventative part will work no matter where it's at.

 

The Absorb Proc buff needs to be in a Passive or Toggle for the every 10 seconds it goes off.

 

If it's in a power that activates it will then have a chance to do Absorb proc.

[Major_Decoy]

3 hours ago, JJDrakken said:

 

Not quite right.  Half right at best.

 

The Preventative part will work no matter where it's at.

 

The Absorb Proc buff needs to be in a Passive or Toggle for the every 10 seconds it goes off.

 

If it's in a power that activates it will then have a chance to do Absorb proc.

... No? You've confused Preventive Medicine with Impervious Skin. Preventive Medicine only has a "Chance for Absorb Proc" and it works perfectly fine in Click powers like Dull Pain even if you never end up using Dull Pain.

 

Impervious Skin has a Status Resistance/Regeneration enhancement. The Status Resistance portion works all the time, as long as you're above the minimum slotting level of the enhancement, the +25% regeneration portion of the enhancement only works for the 120 seconds after the power has been activated.

[arcane]

7 hours ago, JJDrakken said:

 

Not quite right.  Half right at best.

 

The Preventative part will work no matter where it's at.

 

The Absorb Proc buff needs to be in a Passive or Toggle for the every 10 seconds it goes off.

 

If it's in a power that activates it will then have a chance to do Absorb proc.

The absorb proc will fire even if it’s in a power you never use or even keep in your tray.

[JJDrakken]

58 minutes ago, arcane said:

The absorb proc will fire even if it’s in a power you never use or even keep in your tray.

 

Well color me surprised.

 

Forever and a day now, I believed that Absorb part was tied to a power activation, passive, or toggle.  I knew the stop damage part was always constant. 

 

Just researched it again to make sure.  Not often anymore with CoH, I'm misinformed about it. 

 

Kudos.

[catsi563]

I use Preventive med in most heals for my various tanks such as dull pain or firey heal etc 

 

also makes a good one to put in something like emapthys healing aura or painbringers or thermals base heal

[BurtHutt]

Can someone tell me the actual amount of absorbing the Preventive Medicine proc can do when it fires? I get when it can fire etc but what is the actual number value of the absorb shield when it does fire?

[Uun]

1 hour ago, BurtHutt said:

Can someone tell me the actual amount of absorbing the Preventive Medicine proc can do when it fires? I get when it can fire etc but what is the actual number value of the absorb shield when it does fire?

It depends on your hit points (0.2 x max hit points)

https://cod.uberguy.net/html/power.html?power=set_bonus.set_bonus.preventive_medicine_proc

[Snarky]

All of these are good, some better than others.  But remember the CoH Rock paper scissors hierarchy.  Defense>Resistance>Healing.  Investing slots into these as a significant part of a build strategy…. Needs careful weighing of what you are giving up.  

[Jacke]

The Preventive Medicine special is also misnamed.  It's a Global that provides a Proc under the conditions mentioned.  That means the Power it's slotted in doesn't need to be used for it to work.  Like all Pure Globals (no Enhancement Aspects) it should be minimum Level (L20) or Attuned, as it will be disabled when Exemplared more than 3 Levels below that of the Global IO.

 

For just 1 IO, it's also saved my Toons from defeat so many times.  I always try to fit it into a build.

 

 

Edited Sunday at 02:06 AM by Jacke