Can we get a Temporary Ignore option?

[Mystoc]

sometimes people are just annoying and spammy in chat but in a community this small I feel like perma ignoring is a very drastic measure only saved for true spammers in chat who are intentionally being disruptive.

 

I wish there was a middle ground like ignore for a day or week and afterwards they get auto removed from the list, people can be annoying but not to the point I usually want them ignored forever. The chances I remember their global name as only mildly annoying and then remember to remove them manually later on from global ignore is basically zero.

 

so, I'm actually almost never using ignore because I feel most people don't warrant such an extreme response, for these reasons a temp ignore would be great!

[kelika2]

would also be nice to ignore characters and not whole accounts for pretty much the same reason

sometimes raid recruiters suck, but they dont do it on every character

[Rudra]

Ignore is only as permanent as you choose it to be. You can remove players from your ignore list at any time. That lets you temporarily or permanently ignore a player as you see fit.

[Mystoc]

47 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Ignore is only as permanent as you choose it to be. You can remove players from your ignore list at any time. That lets you temporarily or permanently ignore a player as you see fit.

if someone is annoying you enough that you don't want to hear them anymore for the rest of the day you aren't going to be thinking about wanting to unignore them a day or week later that's not realistic at all you're going to forget not constantly be thinking "better unignore this person a day or week later!"

 

look at your ignore list right now Rudra and look at each name and try to remember why you ignored each name, I'm sure some people you ignored were much more annoying and disruptive than others and deserve to stay there but there are also some who could be removed.

 

lastly global ignore UI shows global names and not the name of character name you saw in chat too that was causing the annoyance so remembering who is who will be even more of challenge.

 

Edited 16 hours ago by Mystoc

[Rudra]

9 minutes ago, Mystoc said:

 

look at your ignore list right now Rudra and look at each name and try to remember why you ignored each name, I'm sure some people you ignored were much more annoying and disruptive than others and deserve to stay there but there are also some who could be removed.

In game or on the forums? Either way, I don't even need to look. My in game list is empty. I tune out the chats I don't want to see. My forum list is a single person. And I know full well why that person is on my list.

[Mystoc]

2 minutes ago, Rudra said:

In game or on the forums? Either way, I don't even need to look. My in game list is empty. I tune out the chats I don't want to see. My forum list is a single person. And I know full well why that person is on my list.

in game and that's impressive I have maybe 12-15 people ignored over 5 years of playing on homecoming. but if you have never ignored anyone you won't see why a feature like would be useful,

 

I think ignoring someone permanently is a very extreme measure reserved for trolls whose only goal is to be a disturbance which is why I want a middle ground I hope that makes sense.

 

 

[MTeague]

I use separate tabs for Teams vs General / Help / etc. 

 

If General is getting spammed over and over, or if the topics of discussion start raising my blood pressure, I click from my Global tab to my Combat tab for the upper half, and I still have team chat, etc, in the lower half, and I just do a mission arc orTF until I decide to check back.

 

I'm not against the devs adding a button that does what you say.

But, like Rudra, the existing work-around are plenty good for me, so this would be rock-bottom on my personal wish list.

[Rudra]

44 minutes ago, Mystoc said:

in game and that's impressive I have maybe 12-15 people ignored over 5 years of playing on homecoming. but if you have never ignored anyone you won't see why a feature like would be useful,

 

I think ignoring someone permanently is a very extreme measure reserved for trolls whose only goal is to be a disturbance which is why I want a middle ground I hope that makes sense.

 

 

My response isn't going to change. Our ignore lists are as permanent as we choose to keep them. Personally, I feel if players are going to put other players on ignore, then they should also be sufficiently incentivized to see what global got added to their list when they choose to ignore someone if only to be aware of who they actually added. Doing so also enables said player to go "I'll remove this person later" and know who they want to remove from the list. And if they have poor memory? They can write that down. I write myself notes even for things I should have no problems remembering. So no, I don't understand.

 

However, I'm also not saying I am against a more flexible ignore system. I am pointing out that with even just a little bit of effort, you can already do what you are requesting. So if the devs decide to make this? I won't care. If you choose to not do what I pointed out you can already do? I also won't care.

 

Edit: There is another aspect to it. If you have an ignore list, you look that list over, and don't know why some people are on it? Then maybe its time to take them off the list and give them another chance anyway.

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Rudra
Edited to swap "are" and "as" to correct sequence.

[Troo]

2 hours ago, Rudra said:

Ignore is only as permanent as you choose it to be. You can remove players from your ignore list at any time. That lets you temporarily or permanently ignore a player as you see fit.

 

I won't thumbsdown you for this. However, it comes off to me as ignoring the suggestion or worse trying to say it is a bad suggestion. You get your opinion and I think you might be trying to steer the OP toward what they can currently do in game.

 

4 hours ago, Mystoc said:

I'm actually almost never using ignore because I feel most people don't warrant such an extreme response, for these reasons a temp ignore would be great!

 

+1

I would absolutely use a temporary ignore where I do not use the current ignore.

[BasiliskXVIII]

If nothing else, what would be a nice feature is an easy way to ignore with a note. We have got a player notes feature which is mostly only accessible if you're face-to-face with that person. Having an option to bring up their player notes page from the friends and ignore lists would be a good way to split the difference. Why did I ignore this guy? Let me check the note I left myself in the function already coded into the game explicitly to allow that exact functionality. 

 

"Oh, this guy said hateful things in chat about my ethnicity/sexuality/alignment."
"Oh, this guy has the worst possible takes about Star Wars."
 

One of those is worth a second chance to free them from the list. The other absolutely does not.

[biostem]

The problem isn't a lack of ability to un-ignore people;  It's the human failing of not remembering to manually un-ignore them, and that, IMO, is what this suggestion aims to rectify.  People's attitudes can change frequently, and perhaps you just want to not hear someone right *now* but not permanently...

[Snarky]

1 hour ago, Mystoc said:

if someone is annoying you enough that you don't want to hear them anymore for the rest of the day you aren't going to be thinking about wanting to unignore them a day or week later that's not realistic at all you're going to forget not constantly be thinking "better unignore this person a day or week later!"

 

look at your ignore list right now Rudra and look at each name and try to remember why you ignored each name, I'm sure some people you ignored were much more annoying and disruptive than others and deserve to stay there but there are also some who could be removed.

 

lastly global ignore UI shows global names and not the name of character name you saw in chat too that was causing the annoyance so remembering who is who will be even more of challenge.

 

My global is Snarky.  It is ignored by some of the best people, truly high class.  

[BasiliskXVIII]

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

My response isn't going to change. Our ignore lists are as permanent as we choose to keep them. Personally, I feel if players are going to put other players on ignore, then they should also be sufficiently incentivized to see what global got added to their list when they choose to ignore someone if only to be aware of who they actually added. Doing so also enables said player to go "I'll remove this person later" and know who they want to remove from the list. And if they have poor memory? They can write that down. I write myself notes even for things I should have no problems remembering. So no, I don't understand.

 

However, I'm also not saying I am against a more flexible ignore system. I am pointing out that with even just a little bit of effort, you can already do what you are requesting. So if the devs decide to make this? I won't care. If you choose to not do what I pointed out you can already do? I also won't care.

 

Edit: There is another aspect to it. If you have an ignore list, you look that list over, and don't know why some people are on it? Then maybe its time to take them off the list and give them another chance anyway.

 

 

So just to be clear—you don’t use the ignore system, you admit you don’t understand the need for the feature, and you openly don’t care whether it gets implemented. And yet, somehow, you still felt the need to weigh in, explain why no one should want it, and offer an entirely unsolicited lecture on personal note-taking habits.

 

You’re not engaging with the suggestion—you’re just policing the act of suggesting itself. If a feature doesn’t affect you and you have no insight to offer, maybe consider that the most helpful thing you can do is not comment.

[Snarky]

2 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

 

So just to be clear—you don’t use the ignore system, you admit you don’t understand the need for the feature, and you openly don’t care whether it gets implemented. And yet, somehow, you still felt the need to weigh in, explain why no one should want it, and offer an entirely unsolicited lecture on personal note-taking habits.

 

You’re not engaging with the suggestion—you’re just policing the act of suggesting itself. If a feature doesn’t affect you and you have no insight to offer, maybe consider that the most helpful thing you can do is not comment.

Wait, what?

[Rudra]

1 minute ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

you admit you don’t understand the need for the feature,

That is not what I said, nor is it what I am saying. I wholly understand why players would want to add other players to their ignore lists. I even have someone on the forums on ignore, as I stated in the post previous to the one you quoted. Stop trying to make my statements other than what they are.

 

2 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

nd you openly don’t care whether it gets implemented.

Correct, I don't care if it is implemented.

 

4 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

explain why no one should want it,

And where did I ever say that? I pointed out that the ignore list can be added to and subtracted from as we see fit. That means the list is as temporary or permanent as we choose. Am I wrong?

 

5 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

and offer an entirely unsolicited lecture on personal note-taking habits.

Okay, now I have completely lost your point. Do you not also make lists for things you want to keep track of?

 

6 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

You’re not engaging with the suggestion—you’re just policing the act of suggesting itself. If a feature doesn’t affect you and you have no insight to offer, maybe consider that the most helpful thing you can do is not comment.

Or maybe take the time to understand what is being said instead of trying to call someone else out for being in opposition to something that person has already said they are not. I understand what the OP is asking for. This is not the first time such a thing has been asked for. Not by a long shot. However, I can point out in game methods of accomplishing things players are asking for, and having a temporary ignore function is something we can already accomplish in game.

[Snarky]

I never use ignore.  Those F-ers spamming broadcats/LFG/Gen are hilarious.  I have no opinion on this topic.  It was already perfectly answered with "take them off your ignore list as you like"

 

Again, I do not care about this topic or it's outcome.

 

But you F-ers are hilarious!

[BasiliskXVIII]

39 minutes ago, Rudra said:

That is not what I said, nor is it what I am saying. I wholly understand why players would want to add other players to their ignore lists. I even have someone on the forums on ignore, as I stated in the post previous to the one you quoted. Stop trying to make my statements other than what they are.

 

Correct, I don't care if it is implemented.

 

And where did I ever say that? I pointed out that the ignore list can be added to and subtracted from as we see fit. That means the list is as temporary or permanent as we choose. Am I wrong?

 

Okay, now I have completely lost your point. Do you not also make lists for things you want to keep track of?

You've made a point to say "A timeout feature is not necessary because there is the ability to remove and add people at your own discretion." That, whether you want to admit it or not, is either a misunderstanding of the usage of intent and value of a timeout, or it's a bad faith way of saying "this doesn't affect me, therefore it isn't necessary." I'm choosing to assume the former.

There is no one on the planet to whom "oh, gee, you mean I can write a note and choose to go back at a later time to remove them from the list" is some kind of revelation. Believe it or not, most of us have encountered pens and paper before. This is saying "I can walk up these stairs just fine, why should anyone need a ramp?" If you're fortunate enough to be the kind of person for whom the ignore list is a barrier from only mild annoyances, then congratulations.

 

But for others, it can be a shield against genuinely hostile or upsetting behaviour. Expecting them to simply clear their ignore list sporadically is asking them to voluntarily compromise their own comfort and safety. And yes, there's definitely people on this game for whom "I blocked them because they were being hateful" is common enough behaviour that they couldn't identify who was blocked for that reason and who was blocked for another reason.

 

39 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Or maybe take the time to understand what is being said instead of trying to call someone else out for being in opposition to something that person has already said they are not. I understand what the OP is asking for. This is not the first time such a thing has been asked for. Not by a long shot. However, I can point out in game methods of accomplishing things players are asking for, and having a temporary ignore function is something we can already accomplish in game.

 

When the suggestion is "we want to be able to do X without a workaround", replying with "here's a workaround to do X" is not a solution, it's a dismissal.

I think you’re misunderstanding the request because you’re treating ignore purely as a convenience feature. In reality, it functions as two systems at once: a convenience system for muting annoyances, and a safety system for protecting against actual hostility or harm. The goal of the suggestion is to let players manage those two uses more independently and effectively.

Edited 14 hours ago by BasiliskXVIII
came up with a thesis which summarises my point better.

[Rudra]

14 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

You've made a point to say "A timeout feature is not necessary because there is the ability to remove and add people at your own discretion."

Show me where. Not your translation of what I said, but where I said that.

 

15 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

Expecting them to simply clear their ignore list sporadically is asking them to voluntarily compromise their own comfort and safety.

Where are you going with this? Comfort I can understand. Safety though? And if a player wants to only have others on their ignore list for brief periods of time, how does this even factor?

 

17 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

and a safety system for protecting against actual hostility or harm.

What? If someone is capable of causing you harm, then you need to report them. To the GMs at the very least. To the police with GM/dev assistance if needed.

 

17 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

The goal of the suggestion is to let players manage those two uses more independently and effectively.

Okay. As I already stated, I'm not against the OP.

[Snarky]

31 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

You've made a point to say "A timeout feature is not necessary because there is the ability to remove and add people at your own discretion." That, whether you want to admit it or not, is either a misunderstanding of the usage of intent and value of a timeout, or it's a bad faith way of saying "this doesn't affect me, therefore it isn't necessary." I'm choosing to assume the former.

There is no one on the planet to whom "oh, gee, you mean I can write a note and choose to go back at a later time to remove them from the list" is some kind of revelation. Believe it or not, most of us have encountered pens and paper before. This is saying "I can walk up these stairs just fine, why should anyone need a ramp?" If you're fortunate enough to be the kind of person for whom the ignore list is a barrier from only mild annoyances, then congratulations.

 

But for others, it can be a shield against genuinely hostile or upsetting behaviour. Expecting them to simply clear their ignore list sporadically is asking them to voluntarily compromise their own comfort and safety. And yes, there's definitely people on this game for whom "I blocked them because they were being hateful" is common enough behaviour that they couldn't identify who was blocked for that reason and who was blocked for another reason.

 

 

When the suggestion is "we want to be able to do X without a workaround", replying with "here's a workaround to do X" is not a solution, it's a dismissal.

I think you’re misunderstanding the request because you’re treating ignore purely as a convenience feature. In reality, it functions as two systems at once: a convenience system for muting annoyances, and a safety system for protecting against actual hostility or harm. The goal of the suggestion is to let players manage those two uses more independently and effectively.

If you are putting someone on ignore because of hostile content…. Why would you want that to auto-expire?

[BasiliskXVIII]

1 minute ago, Snarky said:

If you are putting someone on ignore because of hostile content…. Why would you want that to auto-expire?

When you have a list of people you want to make sure are ignored at all costs, and a list of people who are just annoying loudmouths or maybe just people having a bad day, having two lists - one that's a perma-ban and one that's a timeout would be a good way to handle that. I don't want to temp ban the people who being hateful. But being able to temporarily sideline the people who decided to use LFG as a place to discuss their preferred way of cooking steak? It's not offensive, but I'm not here for that discussion, I'm looking for people to run a WST.

[Snarky]

50 minutes ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

When you have a list of people you want to make sure are ignored at all costs, and a list of people who are just annoying loudmouths or maybe just people having a bad day, having two lists - one that's a perma-ban and one that's a timeout would be a good way to handle that. I don't want to temp ban the people who being hateful. But being able to temporarily sideline the people who decided to use LFG as a place to discuss their preferred way of cooking steak? It's not offensive, but I'm not here for that discussion, I'm looking for people to run a WST.

you realize that i am off to LFG to start a discussion on Steak preparation right?

[Rudra]

1 minute ago, Snarky said:

you realize that i am off to LFG to start a discussion on Steak preparation right?

Steak or stake? Just wanna make sure. 😜

[shortguy on indom]

• A TEMPORARY UNIGNORE FEATURE SEEMS WHERE THE CROWD IS TAKING THIS?

[twozerofoxtrot]

4 hours ago, Mystoc said:

if someone is annoying you enough that you don't want to hear them anymore for the rest of the day you aren't going to be thinking about wanting to unignore them a day or week later that's not realistic at all

I do this all the time.

If I'm sitting around bored for a moment (happens often. I play on KST evenings) then I'll pop open ignore and prune it. Anyone I can't remember why they're there comes off.

Takes like 5 seconds?

[shortguy on indom]

• ...SO YOU ARE USING IT AS A SHORT-TIME 'SHUUSH'?
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Edited 11 hours ago by shortguy on indom
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