You know how some IO sets only have one unique enhancement?

[kelika2]

Can we get the opposite of that with Overwhelming Force's KB2KD and remove the uniqueness from that particular enhancement?

 

the KB tax is getting taxing mentally and some builds would love multiple OF KB2KDs

[mistagoat]

There is also the Sudden Acceleration kb2kd proc, that one is not unique so you can use as many as you'd like. The only downside is that is doesn't also enhance damage like the the Overwhelming Force does.

I'm guessing the reason the OF proc is unique is because it goes in anything that does damage and and can turn any damaging power into a damaging power that also does knockdown. That could potentially make the OF proc OP if you could put one in every attack. It's probably why the Avalanche KD proc is unique as well.

[MTeague]

people survived for years and years before KB2KD options even existed.

The idea of "KB tax" is 100% entirely self-inflicted.

[Uun]

1 hour ago, mistagoat said:

I'm guessing the reason the OF proc is unique is because it goes in anything that does damage and and can turn any damaging power into a damaging power that also does knockdown. That could potentially make the OF proc OP if you could put one in every attack. It's probably why the Avalanche KD proc is unique as well.

The entire Overwhelming Force set is unique, as is the entire Avalanche set and all other Universal Damage, Winter, ATO and Purple sets.

[Psi-bolt]

4 hours ago, MTeague said:

people survived for years and years before KB2KD options even existed.

The idea of "KB tax" is 100% entirely self-inflicted.

 

Didn't most people survive by not playing sets and/or powers with KB?

 

Personally, I tend to think that the KB to KD should just be a free power that you can buy at SMART that suppresses all your KB powers.

[srmalloy]

6 hours ago, Psi-bolt said:

Didn't most people survive by not playing sets and/or powers with KB?

Or, as with the Energy Blast set, learning how to use the knockback to assist with clustering up spawns for more efficient AoE use. Although there were people who just wanted to watch mobs go flying and didn't care that they were spreading out the spawns. 

[kelika2]

15 hours ago, MTeague said:

people survived for years and years before KB2KD options even existed.

The idea of "KB tax" is 100% entirely self-inflicted.

KB2KD was invented for a reason back on live

sc0re team slapped in the sudden accel set

every other cox project flat out removes knockback in some form or another

folks suffering for a long time and surviving it is not an excuse to continue doing nothing

im tired of being the bad guy for kicking people with unslotted meteor

im tired of getting heckled for having a group forming message saying no knockback/repel

 

please stop, mtleague

[Snarky]

I have this idea about KB—->KD.  See, we could have….

 

uh, nvm…

[Troo]

Reasonable suggestion.

@mistagoat makes a good point.

I agree with @MTeague.

 

Knockback is great. It is also fun. That said, I can understand the usefulness for someone that doesn't like it to be able to turn it off.

[UltraAlt]

12 hours ago, Psi-bolt said:

Didn't most people survive by not playing sets and/or powers with KB?

 

This is speculative.

It is more likely that there are plenty of players that played with KB powers that put melee players on /ignore if they complained about KB powers being used or just generally avoided teaming with them.

 

I found relatively few players that complained about KB use before the Sunset and since playing on Homecoming.

At times, I do a lot of PuG'ing. I haven't heard more than a handful of complaints about players using knockback. I certainly haven't complained about other players using knockback. But whenever I have heard a complaint about knockback it has been from mainly tanks ... and mainly tanks that didn't have taunt in their build.

 

KB is a soft hold that last longer than KD. Not only can't they attack while they are laying on the ground ... they can't attack while they are flying through the air either.

And there is no doubt that control of knockback goes a long way of making it more useful for a team or useful in general for that matter. For example, knocking enemie back to where the melee characters versus knocking enemies away form melee characters.

Edited 6 hours ago by UltraAlt