Grok Imagine is SUPER!

[battlewraith]

On 10/17/2025 at 11:15 PM, Silver Lancer said:

I uploaded a screeshot into Grok Imagine and I love the way it turned out.

 

Why are you posting this stuff here instead of the AI art thread?

[tidge]

I wish I could blame The Flash seasons 6+ on AI slop.

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

It's certainly permissible for folks to have different points of view on anything, including AI generated stuff.  But please keep the debate on a higher level and not insult each other.

 

 

[Krimson]

The thread is a good example of why I rarely share anything on this site.

[cranebump]

I think the bigger issue with AI comes down to whether everyone responding in a chat forum is real. At some point, we won’t know the difference. 
 

AI is a nice tool. Really nice. But there’s grounds for aome questioning what is lost and what is gained, rather than blindly bowing before it (like Peter Thiel thinks we should).

Edited October 19 by cranebump

[El D]

47 minutes ago, cranebump said:

I think the bigger issue with AI comes down to whether everyone responding in a chat forum is real. At some point, we won’t know the difference. 

 

That's already the case on many of the large social media sites. Any instance where there's possibility for high levels of traffic or profitable engagement, they become inundated with bots pushing AI content to users who cannot spot it (see Facebook and old people) and/or to users who can spot it but are either apathetic or actively share it because 'haha computer thing do stuff I like.' Given that Homecoming is a forum for a 20+ year old game, is at the fringe of an already niche interest, and that the MMO market is nowhere near what it was even ten years ago, it's thankfully not remotely popular enough to be worth that kind investment. That means aside from the occasional spammer, posters here are most likely actual people, so AI content cropping up here is due to real users who are actually interested in it.

 

Given the prior replies in this thread, these seem to be the acceptable aspects regarding AI:

 

- AI does things that its users lack the technical or artistic skill to do, otherwise they would do it themselves

- AI is cheaper than commissioning someone who does possess the technical or artistic skills its users lack, so there's no longer a necessity to pay someone else

- AI does things much faster, so even if its users had the technical or artistic skill or knew of another person who did, it's still quicker to just enter a prompt

- AI is inevitable, so the internet might as well get used to its imperfect state now because eventually it's going to go from 'convincing but has tells' to 'indistinguishable'

 

That last part I have to take a bit of an issue with, not on any technical or even moral ground but just on the nature of branding. Even if the media fidelity of generative AI improves to a direct one-to-one with real video, AI companies are going to go out of their way to say AI made it. Specifically their AI, which is better than the competition. Case in point, this thread. Rather than post in any of the existing AI content threads, there's now a brand new one with Grok directly in the title. What's the Grok thread about? Why, showing off the neat stuff Grok does and encouraging others here to use Grok. 'Look what Grok can make when fed with NCSoft's IP! You too can do this, just give your CoH screenshots to Grok! This thread hosted by Homecoming.' The forum already had areas for posting AI content, so why did Grok deserve its own name drop? I have doubts that OP works for xAI and even more that Homecoming or NCSoft have any partnerships with them, so it's probably not intentional on that front. It's far more likely that OP, as they said, likes the things that specific AI generator does and just wanted to share. That doesn't change the fact that the thread still has the name slapped all over it and is pretty much free advertising on Homecoming's dime (courtesy of content xAI is being given free access to, but doesn't own).

 

Of course, that distinction only works when AI is being advertised, be it intentional or not. Plenty of folks have used AI secretly. Fake screenshots to troll a friend, fake texts to get back at someone, fake videos to generate likes, fake contest submissions to get prize money. That's the real tipping point. Not companies using it as a labeled, marketed product or active users encouraging others to their specific favorite, but people generating things at their own discretion without any requirement to declare AI was used at all. It makes me incredibly glad we can still tell the stuff posted here and on Discord are CoH screenshots that have been AI-ified, generator name drop or no. If it were advanced enough to make something that actually looks like legit in-game content? That's the ballgame for any amount of civility and trust here. What happens to the forums when we stop being able to tell the difference between content that doesn't exist and things that actually happened in-game or are really in development? What happens to community relations when anyone can show up with something that looks like a real interaction, but isn't? Does ToS apply to AI generated content at all, since it isn't actually happening in-game - no matter how much it increasingly looks like it did? Sure, Homecoming could still ban someone if they're dumb enough to post ToS breaking stuff on an official site, but what authority do the devs have if it's hosted elsewhere? 'Hey, that's an unauthorized use of our IP, please take it down' doesn't hold much water when hefty portion of Homecoming's own community already doesn't care about that and - more importantly - are the ones generating the fake AI content in the first place.

[Maagic]

Personally I've been using ChatGPT to make realistic looking versions of my characters because Grok is absolute crap at it. Now the VIDEOS on the other hand just blow my mind. 

[Maagic]

[Silver Lancer]

This one is for the anti ai peeps

[Silver Lancer]

On 10/19/2025 at 9:47 AM, battlewraith said:

 

Why are you posting this stuff here instead of the AI art thread?

You are correct. I forgot about the AI thread. I'm glad the mods moved it.

[Wobegone]

On 10/19/2025 at 3:01 AM, Ghost said:

and?

 

I gave this a lot of thought before responding.  And I had a wall of text prepared to answer this.  Instead, I leave you with a question.   

 

What are the unintended consequences of humans increasingly relying on AI rather than using their own creativity?  

 

As an aspiring writer, I understand the appeal of AI to 'fill the gaps' of a creative idea.  I also have serious concerns about repercussions to human evolution, not to mention deep fakes and misinformation depending on the input of various AIs.  Grok is a perfect example of the latter.  

[Darmian]

I too have had have some thoughts on this. Whether they're "valid" or not is probably subjective. As the LLMs currently stand they seem to exist on a misunderstanding of language.  We are constantly told that they are "trained" on material.  Then a seemingly coherent argument is put forth that humans are also trained on material that has gone before, whether prose, art, music.  This is true.  Undoubtedly.  But there the difference ends.  Human training inevitably leads to experience and more importantly understanding.  No LLM does this.  LLMs are not trained. They are pre-loaded and given a set of algorithms to manipulate that data.

 

So they remain a tool.  And that's fine.  But to use some paraphrases now. 

 

Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration.  What gets so many people (IMO justifiably) angry is that for the LLM the 1% is impossible and the 99% isn't the LLM's work.

 

Standing on the shoulders of giants.  The trouble with the LLM is they are standing on the shoulders of giants (all the accumulated knowledge and skill that can be scraped from whatever sources are available) without their creators acknowledging the rights of those giants, and in some sense more importantly, the LLM is still staring at its feet. It doesn't think. It isn't intelligent and it doesn't look up from that vantage point and it doesn't ask. 

 

Again, a tool  Nothing wrong with tools.  But these tools are being sold to us as more.  They're not more. So we are in a mire of existentialist discourse where creativity is muddled up with copyright. The copyright thing?  Humans have been stealing ideas from each other for as long as we've been human.  That's another shadow war here.  Ignore the LLMs themselves for now.  Their creators, while talented themselves in that they have built these LLMs, are involved in copyright infringement.  Can it be proved?  Probably. That's a whole other kettle of fish that will need to be settled somehow.

 

What started all this? A simple desire to share some images created via Grok. Nothing wrong with that.  But we descended into vitriol about how Grok gained that ability, whether COH itself gave credit for the existence of super heroes and so on, to arguments about automation and the demise of buggy whip makers.  

 

People, can we for once, maybe not attack each other?  An opposing POV is not a declaration of war and neither should it be posted as such. 

 

[Maagic]

9 hours ago, Wobegone said:

 

I gave this a lot of thought before responding.  And I had a wall of text prepared to answer this.  Instead, I leave you with a question.   

 

What are the unintended consequences of humans increasingly relying on AI rather than using their own creativity?  

 

As an aspiring writer, I understand the appeal of AI to 'fill the gaps' of a creative idea.  I also have serious concerns about repercussions to human evolution, not to mention deep fakes and misinformation depending on the input of various AIs.  Grok is a perfect example of the latter.  

 

Personally, I use AI to make my images because I HAVE no creativity. I can't draw/paint, have trouble typing so something like a book is out of the question, and I certainly can't program so having AI make me a computer program to keep track of my characters was very helpful. 

 

it seems like there is a blanket AI hate reaction when someone talks about generated AI images, like "You use AI to make images, you must be all for actors losing roles to AI generated "actors"" Nothing could be further from the truth. I think AI should stay out of movies/tv/music. 

[Darmian]

5 minutes ago, Maagic said:

Personally, I use AI to make my images because I HAVE no creativity.

Nope.  Of course you do.  It may not be the writing/drawing/music spectrum but you do. 

[TheMoneyMaker]

 

 

Neat.