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Brad, I think you’re arguing that not only should all characters with a good build be equally able to solo +4x8, but they should all be equally able to jump into melee when doing so against mez-heavy enemies. Correct me if I’m wrong? If I stated that correctly though, unfortunately, I am comfortable guessing that there’s a 99% chance that position is inconsistent with the design philosophy of any of the past or current devs.

Yeah assuming that any common user of this forum doesn’t play every single AT in the game is a bit of a weak bet.

50% reduction sounds like a huge boon to me. And it’s not hard to get there because they give this particular set bonus out like candy. Resistance bonuses are already very common, and this comes with every one of them. So however common resistance to a damage type is, this bonus is about 4x more common than that.

Yeah I’d prefer they leave it as is.

I would support offensive toggles suppressing when mezzed. I think my Rad defender is my only character with Clarion due to this issue. I don’t really struggle with mez on any other characters, but I do tend to just completely forget to turn other offensive toggles back on, like Time’s Juncture. Which is slightly annoying from time to time.

There’s something important and perhaps even profound here. I have strong suspicions it even correlates to worldview outside of CoH. I see just about every defeat in this game as a tactical error with varying (nonzero) levels of avoidability. Others seem to see themselves as relatively powerless subjects of a systemic force. I have a feeling these philosophical differences between us are deep rooted and unlikely to change.

Right... and.. again.. my point is that those powers should not be the reference point for balance at all. So until we stop bringing up the absolute *best* pool powers when balance is something you do based on the *average* pool power, the comparisons are irrelevant to me.

Absolutely disagree with the “must be considered as good as Hasten, Weave, Maneuvers, etc. before you can nerf it”. Those powers are at the far (good) end of the bell curve, yes, but IMO everything on the entire “better” half of the bell curve is fair game for balancing. I also think the only reason the big 4 pools meta hasn’t been nerfed to encourage build diversity is because the shitstorm would make this thread look like nothing - not because those powers represent the epitome of reasonable balance.

All of your posts seem to contain messages like this that treat opinions like settled facts. It doesn’t work very well for me.

You didn’t read the posts then because those are a fraction of the mitigation tools that were explained several times.

I’ve used Experimentation far more often than Sorcery or Force of Will. A preventive medicine mule, a super speed plus longer range combat teleport, and a +dam/+tohit/+rech buff? How this pool is subpar I have no idea. I’m sure I have it on over a dozen 50’s.

I see the many posts of some users including myself outlining the many ways one can deal with mez have continued to be effectively ignored by users intent on believing that mez is a bigger problem than it is.

I’d live with a nerf to Hasten, Weave, etc. to level the playing field a little for power gamers that need that extra incentive. But I get the strong feeling that’s not what *anyone* wants.

If that is the case, the implication is naturally that the forum pvper population will never consider these pools worthwhile until each one provides +def or +rech. Hard no vote on homogenizing the game like that. But yes you as well have validated my hypothesis that RoP’s usefulness is not well correlated with its popularity because it doesn’t matter what its use is if it’s not +def or +rech.

You are validating my point for me that popularity isn't based on how good a power is at achieving its function. RoP isn’t unpopular because it was never overtuned; it’s merely unpopular because there’s no defense or recharge bonuses to be found in the whole pool.

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This is plainly hyperbole since “only X are actually picked” is immediately falsifiable by a single glance at all the builds picking those powers. Stop. Using. This. Fallacy. There is not one pool in this game I have never picked, so the argument is utterly meaningless to me.

That’s a plenty fair opinion. Just getting ahead of where I think the demands for usage data are headed. You may not be making that argument but others are certainly hinting at it at the least.

Sure, but my point is that those powers are only considered high performing because they contain the two most popular bonuses in the game. It doesn’t really matter, for instance, how good Medicine is at healing, because the playerbase is too addicted to defense and recharge to notice. Just explaining how RoP could be simultaneously powerful and not super popular.

I just want to say that I overall reject the argument that a power is underpowered if it is not taken as often as Hasten/CJ/Weave/Maneuvers because I think that’s a spurious correlation that has more to do with players in this game deciding that +def and +recharge are the most valuable metrics than it has to do with the other options necessarily being bad at what they do.

It seems a bit silly to imply the devs should’ve put a glass case and caution tape around the RoP patch note just because a dozen forum users haven’t internalized that their feedback doesn’t equate to law.

Am not positive feedback and demands for explanations/data are the same thing.

Appreciate the detailed explanations from Jimmy. I don’t really think that the origin pools are lackluster overall tbh.

Change to res when used as a break free is a nice big buff. Was indifferent to duration change at first and now wholly support it after watching pages of arguments play out.

A couple of emails is not a burden at all relative to the alternative of changing fundamental code, so I’d tweak “vast majority” to “entirety” 😉